Shooting Reported at Las Vegas Casino Hotel

[monstar]

Umm it's not difficult at all to bring multiple bags in over the course of a few days. Housekeepers aren't allowed to go through people's luggage.

and many people (myself included) dont want house keeping in the room, so easy to see how this happen. I dont get how so many are dumbfounded by how this could've easily happened. More illegal stuff goes down in a vegas hotel then most cities. From the drugs, to prostitution not to mention the many hours of people being out at all hours. You take that away and Vegas changes not saying what happened was right by any means but to say how could this happen is naive.

Many people forget that an open stadium is being built from a similar distrance in the other direction where the exact same thing can happen from Mandalay Bay. Only thing I can see Vegas doing is limiting how tall a hotel is relative to surrounding venues

 

[SneakerProSr.]

You are the only one missing the point

You are so stuck on this "banning all guns" thing, that you are ignoring what people are actually saying on the issue.

That this point, your argument is just a strawmen.

I'm not ignoring anyone, I'm simply realistic in how the solutions I've seen posted are logistically impossible.

Every solution you posted can be worked around by simply buying a gun that's in circulation already.

You want to up the tax on ammo? I'l just make my own.

 

[wallyhopp]

Wow. Rip to everyone affected. I will not watch another Twitter video. Two were enough to put me on edge.

I question what I would do in that situation. Play dead or try to run. The reality is we may have to process these drills more than once a month and hope we never have to in implement them. We had fire drills in school. But nothing more than that.

In larger venues, I always look for the exits. But that may more from work type training where you always want to leave yourself an out.

Using a nicer hard shell pelican case as an example, guns aren't exactly easy to hide their transport. I saw mention of the 28th as his check in date. I give it a few days but well need to see security footage from all angles. There are cameras in every crevice of these gambling establishments. I know there are a crazy amount of conventions so seeing the odd ball type of luggage is the norm. But 6 hard shell cases is a dead give away. I hope the staff wasn't that naive about luggage.

 

[MVP]

and many people (myself included) dont want house keeping in the room, so easy to see how this happen. I dont get how so many are dumbfounded by how this could've easily happened. More illegal stuff goes down in a vegas hotel then most cities. From the drugs, to prostitution not to mention the many hours of people being out at all hours. You take that away and Vegas changes not saying what happened was right by any means but to say how could this happen is naive.

Many people forget that an open stadium is being built from a similar distrance in the other direction where the exact same thing can happen from Mandalay Bay. Only thing I can see Vegas doing is limiting how tall a hotel is relative to surrounding venues

Exactly. Working in hotels people will literally have do not disturbs on their doors for their entire stays. There's only so much staff can do. Sadly in this situation the only way to prevent this is from the shooter being allowed to obtain guns in the first place.

 

[sundoobie]

You people keep missing the point.

You can ban all new guns sales tomorrow and there are already enough guns and ammo in circulation to kill every person in America.

How are you going to stop me from selling a gun I legally already own to a private citizen when there are no records that I own it in the first place?

That's why I'm saying that ship has sailed.

Or if someone dates a girl, and they just have the girl purchase the gun... LEGALLY! Wait there are already 'written' laws to stop that!

The laws enacted especially here in CA have already addressed a ton of what was suggested, but people don't realize the folks being targeted by these gun laws are of a certain demographic (inner city people of color, and Muslim Americans) and NOT the typical average NRA gun owner. Average middle age white guy with a history of PTSD and taking prescription drugs, goes to buys a gun.. clears all the regulations, and easily gets the gun. Person of color with no history of taking prescriptions, or PTSD, goes to buy a gun... clears all the regulations but yet has to clear the discrimination and other 'unwritten' tests just because.

 

[RustyShackleford]

I'm not ignoring anyone, I'm simply realistic in how the solutions I've seen posted are logistically impossible.

No you are not

Dudes are speaking about policies that can be instituted in a macro level to make the situation better. They just want to been the curve

You response by constructing this narrow scenario where a policy no one is really advocating for will fail.

So what if people just buy guns already in circulation. On aggregate that lowers the total number of guns available. And so what if you make you own ammo or many others do. Most will not.

That is how public policy work. They are not meant to be magic bullets. Of course markets adjust, then you as a regulator adjust as well.

You are not being realistic, you are being closed minded.

 

[Black Lotus]

so crazy man

 

[mr jordan04]

Didn't know they don't check bags, but the guy had 10 assault rifles and 100s of magazines. Even if you do break down 10 rifles, I'll ask again, how are you getting them in there? There's no way in hell something like that should slip by

It’s not that hard. You just put them in a duffle bag, get a bag cart/bell boy cart and take your bags up yourself. Nobody looks/checks bags at a hotel.

 

[Belgium]

Switzerland still isn't a good comparison to the United States because Switzerland has far less relative poverty than the United States does.

In terms of a pure comparison, nothing can really compare with the US in that regard. But Switzerland is really the only wealthy nation that is even remotely close to the US' guns per capita. If the argument of "guns are inherently bad and should be banned" arises, Switzerland is the counter to that argument. It shows that a country doesn't necessarily suffer from constant mass shootings and skyhigh gun crime because there's tons of guns in the country. There's a variety of factors contributing to that of course such as what you mentioned. Many things can be learned from the Swiss model regardless of the other factors that contribute to Switzerland's society and how they handle firearms. However the NRA has zero interest in doing so, opting for a very toxic gun culture instead. When you add all the other factors to that, it's not exactly a good recipe.

 

[Based Jesus]

No you are not

Dudes are speaking about policies that can be instituted in a macro level to make the situation better. They just want to been the curve

You response by constructing this narrow scenario where a policy no one is really advocating for will fail.

You are not being realistic, you are being closed minded.

This is why I try not to enter gun debates anymore. One side refuses to debate in good faith.
They'll disingenuously spout NRA talking points all day and night long leaving you tired and frustrated.

 

[MVP]

Wow. Rip to everyone affected. I will not watch another Twitter video. Two were enough to put me on edge.

I question what I would do in that situation. Play dead or try to run. The reality is we may have to process these drills more than once a month and hope we never have to in implement them. We had fire drills in school. But nothing more than that.

In larger venues, I always look for the exits. But that may more from work type training where you always want to leave yourself an out.

Using a nicer hard shell pelican case as an example, guns aren't exactly easy to hide their transport. I saw mention of the 28th as his check in date. I give it a few days but well need to see security footage from all angles. There are cameras in every crevice of these gambling establishments. I know there are a crazy amount of conventions so seeing the odd ball type of luggage is the norm. But 6 hard shell cases is a dead give away. I hope the staff wasn't that naive about luggage.

People in the venue couldn't discern where the shots were coming from with all the echos and it being completely dark.

They were showing a diagram of the concert grounds and people who would have headed for the exits which was the entrance would have actually been running back into the fire. Just a sad and tragic situation.

 

[MVP]

This is why I try not to enter gun debates anymore. One side refuses to debate in good faith.
They'll disingenuously spout NRA talking points all day and night long leaving you tired and frustrated.

I don't know why it's so hard to acknowledge there are just obvious steps of a preventative nature that can be taken as well as more strenuous checks put in place immediately. At this point they are playing dumb.

 

[SneakerProSr.]

No you are not

Dudes are speaking about policies that can be instituted in a macro level to make the situation better. They just want to been the curve

You response by constructing this narrow scenario where a policy no one is really advocating for will fail.

You are not being realistic, you are being closed minded.

Show me a policy that can prevent a private citizen from selling a gun he already owns to another person because then I'd be all ears.

You can draft all the laws you want, institute all the regulations you want on new guns sales and there is still nothing you are going to be able to do about the millions of guns already in American homes

 

[iamdef]

Show me a policy that can prevent a private citizen from selling a gun he already owns to another person because then I'd be all ears.

You can draft all the laws you want, institute all the regulations you want on new guns sales and there is still nothing you are going to be able to do about the millions of guns already in American homes

Show me a law that prevents any crime

It's not about stopping something from ever happening again, it's about creating a system that makes these instances less likely. You seem to be stuck on the glass half empty side and refuse to see it any other way

 

[deuce king]

Not sure if and how many people have been to Vegas but a guy checking into a hotel with 1 or even 10 hard shelled luggage bags if not uncommon or something that would raise suspicion. Other than someone tipping off the local agency that the shooter had this event planned out it doesn't appear there was much that anyone could have done to stop this massacre.

 

[RustyShackleford]

Show me a policy that can prevent a private citizen from selling a gun he already owns to another person because then I'd be all ears.

You can draft all the laws you want, institute all the regulations you want on new guns sales and there is still nothing you are going to be able to do about the millions of guns already in American homes

Who the hell said I wanted to stop private sales anyway? See what I mean about not debating in good faith.

But to indulge you....

All guns have to be registered, if you sell a gun you need to have a background check done on the buyer, and transfer registration.

You sell a gun without taking the proper steps, or selling to someone who doesn't pass the background check, then their are fines or other forms of punishment.

You ever thought that maybe there is a middle ground between where we are now than the world you have constructed in your head?

No one is pushing gun control policies as panaceas. If you actually listened to folk you might realize this.

 

[blackfrankwhite]

Are people under the impression gun laws( or any law for that matter) work overnight?

It takes years, if not decades, to see the real impact or benefit of most laws.

Gun regulation isn't about solving the problem overnight. It's also not about taking all the guns away. It's about making smarter regulations that will benefit the future of America in the years, decades, and centuries to follow.

 

[harlemtothebronx]

Cognitive dissonance.

 

[blackdynamite]

The USA has the highest percentage if people with mental health problems, dude could have done some drugs and went crazy, you never know, but my point is that mental health is key.

 

[Thats My Word]

This aint a terrorist attack huh...

 

[SneakerProSr.]

Show me a law that prevents any crime

It's not about stopping something from ever happening again, it's about creating a system that makes these instances less likely. You seem to be stuck on the glass half empty side and refuse to see it any other way

Show me a law that prevents any crime

It's not about stopping something from ever happening again, it's about creating a system that makes these instances less likely. You seem to be stuck on the glass half empty side and refuse to see it any other way

I don't believe that system exists, at this point in America's relationship with firearms.

 

[Based Jesus]

I don't know why it's so hard to acknowledge there are just obvious steps of a preventative nature that can be taken as well as more strenuous checks put in place immediately. At this point they are playing dumb.

ITS JUST IMPOSSIBLE TO REGULATE GUNS

Even though they're already being regulated and have been for years. People are simply advocating for stricter federal regulations which is only "impossible" because the NRA makes it so. No one wants to take away your toys. You'll still be able to prove how much of a man you are by shooting Bambi's parents. It will just become harder to get them. That's all.

 

[freeze]

how did he fire from a window? Hotel windows dont open

 

[bainshot]

i think he shot through it and broke it

 

[akoeuro]

Sheriff said he broke the windows out with a hammer like object.