Ska its been going on long enough...time to lock....

Originally Posted by Berkeley Boy

True, but even with all the running, somebody that can play the 5 and be a difference maker on defense seemed to be the difference between making and not making the playoffs this year.

Is Biedrins that guy? He seems soft to me. I like Wright. I want to see more of what he can do next year.

I actually think the best situation for Baron and the Warriors is that he stays with the team.
You think Andris is soft? Please explain.

We didn't make the playoffs not because of our 5 man, but because of our lack of a 4 man. Harrington, Pietrus, Barnes didn't pan out at the 4. Only onewho produced was Wright and he barely got minutes.
 
According to a source with knowledge of extension negotiations between Baron Davis and Warriors management, the Warriors are playing hardball with their star point guard. President Rowell and VP Mullin came at Baron with an "insulting" offer - so much so that B. Diddy is questioning whether the Warriors view him as their franchise player. Contra Costa Times

The Warriors will be sending a bad message to players, future and current. In less than a year, three players have voiced their disapproval with how they were treated by management (Jason Richardson, Mickael Pietrus and Matt Barnes). That's not a good way to land a top motivated talent, which the Warriors will need to do. Players won't want to come if the Warriors are not shelling out big money and have a rep - justified or not - for lowballing. Contra Costa Times

Damn why would the FO do this? After everything BD has done for them?
 
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A source close to Avery Johnson's situation said Paxson had to postpone an interview scheduled with Johnson, recently fired as coach of the Dallas Mavericks, due to a conflict. The Bulls have shown a willingness to reschedule but there is a sense that Johnson is serious about sitting out next season and collecting money from the Mavs, who would owe $12 million over the next three seasons if Johnson decides not to return to coaching. Johnson may also be waiting to see if the Atlanta Hawks will be in the market for a head coach once they hire a new general manager. Chicago Sun-Times

Four names remain at the top of the Bulls' wish list, though it appears now that the co-favorites are former Dallas coach Avery Johnson and Boston assistant Tom Thibodeau. Also under consideration are broadcaster Mark Jackson, who already interviewed with Paxson, and Detroit assistant Michael Curry. Johnson possesses most of the qualities Paxson is seeking. He's regarded as a strong leader who will stress defense and relate well to the players, having spent 16 years in the NBA as a well-traveled point guard. Arlington Heights Daily Herald

Dallas assistant Mario Elie's name has already been floating around the league as one of the people the Suns have a particular interest in. ESPN.com
 
Originally Posted by nycknicks105

how did this thread become a Baron Davis/ Golden State Warriors thread?

Dude this is NT.... home of the Golden State Slurpers
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nycknicks105:
how did this thread become a Baron Davis/ Golden State Warriors thread?
I really don't see how it can be seen as that. I think that's just a hater statement, like you're spitefully looking for the thread tobe about the Warriors.

Just my opinion.

But I don't see at all how the thread is anywhere close to a Warriors/Baron thread. The last two title changes had something to do with the Warriors, sothat's what's currently dominating the conversation. That's to be expected, ain't it?
 
The thing is though, I've never really thought of Mullin as a good front office Exec.

He gave Troy Murphy, Dunleavy and J-Rich big time contracts, only to end up regretting it, and trading them all away.

Foyle signing, same thing.

As a result, he lucked himself into the Jackson/Harrington deal, as Indiana was dumb enough to take on his regrets.

He hired Montgomery for coach, and that bombed. He was lucky that Nelly wanted back into the coaching world.

Everybody knew the C-Webb signing wouldn't work.

Basically, I think that Baron feels that he's a max player. He feels he's the franchise player. I know the Warriors have some nice young guys inMonta, Biedrins, Wright, etc, but Baron really does make that whole system work. Without Baron, I don't think the Warriors would be as good.

He wants max money, but, because of all the money Mullin has dished out over the years, he's probably hesitant. I mean, Baron is injury prone, minus thislast season, go figure, the season before he had the player option to opt out.

Problem for Diddy is, I don't think teams are gonna offer him the type of money he commands. I don't see him opting out, but I can definitely seeMullin trading him away because I don't think he's gonna shell out the money for him.
 
Originally Posted by SantaRosaWarriorFan

in a perfect world baron opts out and we build around Ellis, Biedrens, and Wright....
in a not so perfect world we sign baron to a 3 or 4 year deal at 10/per....NO more than what Chauncey and Nash got....
in the real world, Baron plays out this year with a lame duck coach, has another decent year and we S&T him.....

Jason Kidd for Baron Davis at the trade deadline FTW
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Well, we don't know what the numbers are being thrown each others way so I don't know how "insulting" Baron must feel. Looking at the frontoffice perspective, you want to keep your talent at a price as less as you could. And Mullin knows the market out there isn't competitive to warrant tothrow a large sum of money Baron wants. Adding the fact that Baron will be turning 30s + durability issue = max money for the Warriors will be disastrous ifthe worst happens. So really, there is no reason for Mullin to throw what Baron is asking early in the negotiation. Mullin is telling Baron if he wants to testthe market, be my guest and let the market decides his worth.

This is just a tactic his agent trying to pull by yapping to the media hoping the Bay Area public can pressure Mullin to give in by the June 30 deadline, thelast day to opt out. Mullin has remained his stance by saying that he won't start negotiating until then.
 
In less than a year, three players have voiced their disapproval with how they were treated by management (Jason Richardson, Mickael Pietrus and Matt Barnes).
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as if Pietrus & Barnes are anyworthy of a decent contract.

jrich, as good as he was/is, is not worth the money. keeping him on the payroll would've meant we'd be over the luxury tax, not enough money to extendmonta & biedrins, or even baron for that matter.

i don't see baron getting his extension, but if he does, he's probably headed to the east (no way he lands with the clippers/lakers though...).
 
What do yall think he's being offered? $12 mil? I mean, don't get me wrong, he balls, but they didn't even make the playoffs this year, and noASG appearance for him either.
 
I'd like to see what happens in the lottery before they make any moves with Baron. If they by the grace of god are in the position to draft Rosei'd tell Baron to hit the bricks and look to find a big man, maybe bring in Elton Brand or something like that.
 
Originally Posted by tupac003

According to a source with knowledge of extension negotiations between Baron Davis and Warriors management, the Warriors are playing hardball with their star point guard. President Rowell and VP Mullin came at Baron with an "insulting" offer - so much so that B. Diddy is questioning whether the Warriors view him as their franchise player. Contra Costa Times

The Warriors will be sending a bad message to players, future and current. In less than a year, three players have voiced their disapproval with how they were treated by management (Jason Richardson, Mickael Pietrus and Matt Barnes). That's not a good way to land a top motivated talent, which the Warriors will need to do. Players won't want to come if the Warriors are not shelling out big money and have a rep - justified or not - for lowballing. Contra Costa Times

Damn why would the FO do this? After everything BD has done for them?

Enlightened Thought already went through it, but J-Rich was a great trade that gave us a helluva prospect and the ability to re-sign Monta/Andris (it sucksto lose him, and it hurt at first, but it makes sense on ALL angles basketball-wise and business-wise), and Pietrus/Barnes are not that great to begin with,they couldn't land offers elsewhere so they kind of had to re-sign here..

but if BD is offered something crazy like 20 mil/yr elsewhere, i don't blame him for taking it. the warriors aren't giving him that kind of contract,and it would really ruin our future cap-wise since we have to sign Monta/Andris first and they're both first priority since they're our future. Baronwould have to be offered something crazy like that to opt out...
I can definitely see Mullin trading him (as Franchise stated) cuz he doesn't want topay him...we got him for absolutely nothing, so it'd be great to land some very valuable assets for him if it can be done. and YES we all know he'sdone so much to our team, but it's just that his value is going to diminish later on in his career and if we can get something great in return we have topull the trigger IMO. this is nothing against baron at all, it doesn't mean he isn't appreciated.

Dude this is NT.... home of the Golden State Slurpers
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You can't tell me there aren't more Slurpers of another team in California than the Warriors here on NT.
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(not meant as a hater statement, but the amount of Laker fans far exceeds Warrior fans here)
 
[h1]Can the D'Antoni hire lure LeBron James to Knicks?[/h1]
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If the Knicks can get under the salary cap by 2010, they'll be in excellent position to sign Lebron James when hebecomes a free agent.

So the recruitment of one of the NBA's brightest coaching minds was done with a tantalizing lure. Donnie Walsh couldn't sell the present to Mike D'Antoni, but because of the well-known Madison Square Garden resources, the future always has unlimited potential.

Come hell or high loss totals along the way, Walsh will get the Knicks under the salary cap by 2010. The Garden is always an attractive place for free agents and landing a players' coach only sweetens the pot. A person with knowledge of the situation said Bulls players were filling team executive John Paxson's inbox with text messages, begging him to bring D'Antoni to Chicago.

"They wanted to play for Mike," the person said. And Walsh is banking on this to be just another reason for LeBron James to seriously consider making the Garden his home if he declines a player option and becomes a free agent in 2010.

It would take a lot of payroll maneuvering in the meantime and, perhaps, some tough decisions. As the roster stands, the Knicks will have just $28 million against the cap going into the 2010-11 season. It's the perfect storm; the best player on the planet is available and the richest team in the league has cap space.

"I think those thoughts are very prominent in the front office," said a person with knowledge of the situation.

D'Antoni, who will be officially introduced as Knicks coach either tomorrow or Wednesday, had a two-time MVP in Steve Nash running his high-octane offense and all-stars Shawn Marion and Amare Stoudemire as key pieces in his system with the Suns. And he is salivating at the mere potential of inserting the versatile James into his very versatile system on basketball's grandest stage.

One person with knowledge of D'Antoni's thinking suggested he "would probably use [James] at the four spot [power forward] ... He would fit in anywhere."

James is the mold of the ideal player for the D'Antoni system. "Ideally," the person said, "you would have a bunch of 6-9 guys who can handle the ball and shoot threes."

But this is all hypothetical. Right now, D'Antoni is taking over a team that won 23 games last season. There is a prevailing belief that D'Antoni's loose, freewheeling style is not the right fit for the Knicks as they are currently constructed. But those who have worked with D'Antoni over the years insist he can and will adjust to the personnel he has.

"It's a block of clay, and they're working the clay right now and trying to decide what the possibilities are," said Memphis Grizzlies coach Marc Iavarone, who spent the previous three-plus seasons as an assistant with D'Antoni on the Suns' coaching staff. "They are not married to anything as of right now, that I would think. They would probably be talking about what can we do that will move this one step at a time; whether it's a roster move, whether it's a style move, whatever it is."

Make no mistake, the style will eventually be what we've seen in Phoenix, where the team lived by the "Seven Seconds" mantra, which encouraged players to look for their shot in the first seven seconds of a possession. It is a philosophy that leads to more possessions and, therefore, more opportunities to score. It also means there are fewer passes within an offensive set, which results in fewer turnovers.

"Most coaches believe defenses are more vulnerable late in the shot clock, that you can get them out of position with a lot of passing," D'Antoni said in a Sports Illustrated feature in the Oct. 31, 2005 issue. "We think defenses are most vulnerable before they get set."

According to 82games.com, 43 percent of the Suns possessions this season resulted in a shot within the first 10 seconds of the 24-second shot clock. Only 10 percent came with more than 21 seconds left. By comparison, the Knicks took a shot in the first 10 seconds 37 percent of the time, and 15 percent of their offense resulted in a shot with more than 21 seconds left.

Opponents of this style say there is too much emphasis on offense, and defense is an afterthought. D'Antoni plays to outscore you, not to stop you, and, as shown by the Suns' playoff failures, that style doesn't win championships. Even Walsh had long believed the traditional way - half-court-based, inside-out offense and an in-your-face defense - was the way to go.

"He and I have had numerous philosophical conversations regarding the new Suns-like style versus the classic style; the Heat with Riley, the Spurs and Boston," said one league executive who has been a longtime Walsh confidant. "We usually ended up in the same place: the classic style teams seem to be sizing for rings.

"That said, the Pacers hired a new-style guy in [Jim] O'Brien last season. and I know that Donnie liked the selection."

As the story goes, D'Antoni came upon this hot new style out of basic need. During his first training camp as coach of the Suns in 2004-05, he looked at his roster and realized he did not have an experienced, traditional power forward. The only player who filled the role was a rookie named Jackson Vroman.

So D'Antoni thought that instead of inserting an inexperienced, somewhat overmatched player in his starting five, why not just add another swingman? So unwittingly began Marion's career as the smallest power forward in the NBA. But it worked like magic. With an extra athlete on the floor, the Suns scored a league-high 110.4 points per game that season.

"That's one of the things he believes in, and I don't think he would mind me saying this, is that you put your five best players on the floor," Iavarone said. "He's probably the antithesis of having that sixth-man concept. His theory is, why am I waiting to bring in one of my best players?"

Marion eventually soured on the idea of playing out of position - in reality, the Suns' offense doesn't have set positions, but on defense, Marion was often in difficult matchups - and that's where things began to crumble for D'Antoni in Phoenix. But despite his issues this past season with Marion, who was eventually traded for Shaquille O'Neal, and Stoudemire, D'Antoni still is considered to be a players' coach.
 
Could BD take his ball and go play in Houston? Would they fit?

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at everytime the Knicks do something people write whether it will helpthem get Lebron.
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"It's been sunny 3 days in a row, call Lebron"
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Dallas assistant Mario Elie's name has already been floating around the league as one of the people the Suns have a particular interest in. ESPN.com
If he's ready to coach I don't know if the Suns are a good fit.
 
I dislike Mullin's view on signing players. Like what franchise3 said, Mullin seemed to have lucked out into some of the trades he pulled off in the yearbefore. He likes to holdout on players before signing them to big contracts. If I recall, Jason's, Mike's and Troy's big extensions all came beforethe start of the '06-'07 season. If he's going to extend Baron's contract, I say he shouldn't wait till the very end to do it.

Baron has the right to be frustrated, but since he's guaranteed $16 or $17 something million, he shouldn't opt out. I don't think teams would payhim the amount he thinks hes worth since the team didn't make the playoffs, granted that they won 48 games, but the team never seemed to get over a humpand ever fight for a seed higher than the 7th. Plus, he wasn't an all-star last year, but I thought he deserved it over Brandon Roy.
 
Bucks GM John Hammond: "Ideally, you want to get into a position where you're fortunate to be playing in June, or at least into May. Then you flow right into the draft. The month of June is all encompassing with the draft and then you have a very short window after that, a few days beyond that, and you jump right into free agency. And then we have the summer league (in Las Vegas) in July." Racine Journal Times

Considering how this team foundered so miserably this season, are there any Bucks who are considered "untouchables?" John Hammond: "I don't think it would be fair to say that, that there are untouchables on this team. You look at the obvious: we have two, very good young pieces in Bogut and Yi that you can build around. Bigs are so hard to find. The Boguts and the Yis ... it would be awfully hard to move guys like that." Racine Journal Times

Hammond: "Does that mean Michael Redd can be moved? Or anybody else on this roster? No. But I don't think it's fair to use the term untouchables when you are a team that won 26 games this year." Racine Journal Times

Whether the perception is accurate or not, Skiles has a reputation of being a highly-demanding coach, someone who has rubbed some players the wrong way. Is that perception a concern to you? Hammond: "No. It doesn't concern me because, where we sit today as an organization, I think we need a demanding coach. There's perception and there's reality. I think the perception out there about how Scott is and how he handles himself on the sidelines or how he handles the team isn't reality. I think it's just perception." Racine Journal Times

Idea: The Nuggets send Carmelo Anthony and Marcus Camby to the Mavericks for Dirk Nowitzki. In order for the trade to work under the cap, other players would have to be involved, but those three would be the major pieces. In this scenario, Carmelo must go, and take Camby's salary with him. They're swapping postseason underachievers, but the change of landscape, from one "D" to the other "D," but no "D" likely would benefit both Anthony and Nowitzki. Then Nene would take over at center. With Eduardo Najera and Chucky Atkins also gone, the Nuggets could trim about $15 million from the payroll. Denver Post

Idea: Persuade Allen Iverson to opt out of his contract this summer, or threaten to trade him to a team well under the salary cap - for whatever. He would be free (or World B. Free), and so would the Nuggets, from $21 million. They could bring in free agent Ron Artest ($7.8 million this season), which they should have done at the trading deadline. He provides defense and toughness and questions. Melo's scoring goes up to 31, and Artest adds 21 - same totals as Anthony and Iverson. Denver Post

Idea: The Nuggets trade Anthony and Camby and Linas Kleiza for center Nenad Krstic (a sign-and-trade). They then sign unrestricted free-agent small forward Bostjan Nachbar, late of the Nets. Would the Nets want Kenyon Martin back? Too much to hope for. Nevertheless, the Nuggets would be under the cap and able to sign another free agent (Duhon). Denver Post

Despite J-Will's down year, he remains the most ready of the Heat's three point guards to run the offense. Chris Quinn made tremendous strides in his second season, and the jury remains out on Marcus Banks, who was acquired with Marion in the Shaq trade. Miami Herald

J-Will and Quinn are both free agents, and it appears that J-Will's future, at least from the Heat's perspective, will be decided largely by what happens in the draft. Should the Heat get the first or second pick and select Memphis guard Derrick Rose - and is unable to deal Banks in a trade - either J-Will or Quinn has to go. And Quinn would come at a far more reasonable price - unless J is willing to take a one or two year deal at or near the league minimum (around $2 million per). Miami Herald

Then again, for that kind of money, J-Will might be more interested in playing for Orlando, where he lives in the offseason and where the Magic might need a veteran backup should it part with both its free-agent point guards in Keyon Dooling and Carlos Arroyo. Miami Herald

Because both can't start, Toronto is likely going to have to part with either restricted free agent Jose Calderon or T.J. Ford. Beno Udrih, Keyon Dooling, Carlos Arroyo and Chris Duhon are available. And if things go bad in Oakland, Baron Davis might demand to be traded, which would require a major Heat contract or sign-and-trade. Miami Herald

Should the Heat land the first pick, the thought remains that Derrick Rose is the choice. Yes, many scouts continue to point to Michael Beasley as the superior talent, but just about every team at the top of the lottery is in greater need of a point guard (which, perhaps, is the reason they're at the top of the lottery in the first place). South Florida Sun-Sentinel

At No. 3, the sense is Pat Riley might prefer Stanford center Brook Lopez, while others on his staff see a point guard of the future in Arizona's Jerryd Bayless. At No. 4, the lowest it could fall in the lottery, the Heat likely would take whichever player remains among Rose, Beasley, Lopez and Bayless. South Florida Sun-Sentinel
 
What did Chauncey Billups get last Summer from the Pistons and Joe Dumars? 5 years, 60 million.

That's the opening bid for Baron Davis.
 
Idea: The Nuggets send Carmelo Anthony and Marcus Camby to the Mavericks for Dirk Nowitzki. In order for the trade to work under the cap, other players would have to be involved, but those three would be the major pieces. In this scenario, Carmelo must go, and take Camby's salary with him. They're swapping postseason underachievers, but the change of landscape, from one "D" to the other "D," but no "D" likely would benefit both Anthony and Nowitzki. Then Nene would take over at center. With Eduardo Najera and Chucky Atkins also gone, the Nuggets could trim about $15 million from the payroll. Denver Post
Only if they took back Dampier's contract...

And even then, it doesn't really excite me...
 
Pax is going to start losing his players if he doesn't make the right moves. It seemed that many players want D'Antoni, the way it looks the team willbe playing for a coach that they dont like once again
 
Idea: The Nuggets trade Anthony and Camby and Linas Kleiza for center Nenad Krstic (a sign-and-trade). They then sign unrestricted free-agent small forward Bostjan Nachbar, late of the Nets. Would the Nets want Kenyon Martin back? Too much to hope for. Nevertheless, the Nuggets would be under the cap and able to sign another free agent (Duhon). Denver Post
Maybe it's just me, but I don't see the sense in that at all.
 
Idea: The Nuggets send Carmelo Anthony and Marcus Camby to the Mavericks for Dirk Nowitzki. In order for the trade to work under the cap, other players would have to be involved, but those three would be the major pieces. In this scenario, Carmelo must go, and take Camby's salary with him. They're swapping postseason underachievers, but the change of landscape, from one "D" to the other "D," but no "D" likely would benefit both Anthony and Nowitzki. Then Nene would take over at center. With Eduardo Najera and Chucky Atkins also gone, the Nuggets could trim about $15 million from the payroll.


Ehh, an upgrade in Center, but I don't know how I'd like parting ways with Dirk for another trouble-maker on the team.



Idea: The Nuggets trade Anthony and Camby and Linas Kleiza for center Nenad Krstic (a sign-and-trade). They then sign unrestricted free-agent small forward Bostjan Nachbar, late of the Nets. Would the Nets want Kenyon Martin back?




This makes NO SENSE AT ALL. Someone tell me how this would benefit the Nuggets at all other than giving the Nets a Kwame Brown trade.
 
Originally Posted by Proshares

Idea: The Nuggets trade Anthony and Camby and Linas Kleiza for center Nenad Krstic (a sign-and-trade). They then sign unrestricted free-agent small forward Bostjan Nachbar, late of the Nets. Would the Nets want Kenyon Martin back? Too much to hope for. Nevertheless, the Nuggets would be under the cap and able to sign another free agent (Duhon). Denver Post
Maybe it's just me, but I don't see the sense in that at all.

It's not just you. I read it and was like what?

The Nuggets shoulda parted ways with Klenza at the trade deadline to bring in Artest. Now they're scrambling.

As much as I don't really care for Mullin, I will say he does have an eye for drafting talent.

If Miami lands the #1 pick, and Baron is having doubts about the Warriors/Mullin doesn't want to budge and give him a max contract (understandably so)I'd call up Pat ASAP.

I dunno how the numbers work out, but Miami getting Baron in exchange for some contracts/the #1 pick, to team up with D-Wade and Marion is an automatic playoffteam once again in the East. A better trio than Jamison/Butler/Arenas, IMO. Just about on the level of the KG/Ray/PP trio.

The Warriors draft Rose, and that's a team that will contend out West for years to come. Biedrins/Wright/Monta/Rose.

Do it Chris!
 
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It's not just you. I read it and was like what?

The Nuggets shoulda parted ways with Klenza at the trade deadline to bring in Artest. Now they're scrambling.

As much as I don't really care for Mullin, I will say he does have an eye for drafting talent.

If Miami lands the #1 pick, and Baron is having doubts about the Warriors/Mullin doesn't want to budge and give him a max contract (understandably so) I'd call up Pat ASAP.

I dunno how the numbers work out, but Miami getting Baron in exchange for some contracts/the #1 pick, to team up with D-Wade and Marion is an automatic playoff team once again in the East. A better trio than Jamison/Butler/Arenas, IMO. Just about on the level of the KG/Ray/PP trio.

The Warriors draft Rose, and that's a team that will contend out West for years to come. [color= rgb(255, 0, 0)]Biedrins/Wright/Monta/Rose.[/color]

Do it Chris!


Oh god, dont get us excited!

Anyway, theres no way that BD gets a max contract from the W's, even though hes 29 thats up there in age for a PG, and with his history of injuries its notgoing to help him get that franchise player deal
 
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