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Originally Posted by ekon one
So how was Juno able to retrieve Fisher when there paths should have diverged following the third dream?
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Originally Posted by ekon one
So how was Juno able to retrieve Fisher when there paths should have diverged following the third dream?
Saito didn't know what to do because Cobb didn't say, when you die, die again in limbo. He didn't disclose any info to the team, and it kinda screwed them over. After feeling guilty, he went to get Saito. Limbo became his reality because he didn't know what was going on. Had Cobb not been a selfish, self loathing bastard, he could have told the team what to expect and not kept all the skeletons in the closet. Limbo doesn't sound so bad when all you have to do is die, just like any regular dream.Originally Posted by jamminbyalias
Originally Posted by JZero23
Originally Posted by jamminbyalias
Originally Posted by JZero23
Can someone explain the reason why being in Limbo is so bad? Once you're down there, you just have to kill yourself then you are back to your normal self. Dude and his wife put their heads on the train tracks. The girl and the business guy both jumped off the building and woke up in level 3. He found the Japanese dude and they both shot themselves with the gun on the table.
So what's so bad about being in "limbo"? Too many plot holes in this movie.
It was a great movie, but it seemed like they wrote it as they went along, instead of thinking things through. If you can't die in a dream within a dream because you will be in limbo, but then if you die in limbo you are sent back, then what is there to worry about?
You may be able to kill yourself and get back to "reality"--but when you're stuck in limbo, you're so deep into the dream you may never realize you're dreaming-- you're lost for eternity. Saito and Mal could have easily been stuck in limbo forever (while their brain in 'reality' turned into mush) if Cobb didn't save them.
I don't agree that there are plot holes in the movie-- everything seemed well thought out and if you are questioning certain things in the movie-- they were most likely included (or not included) purposely for a reason (either to spark dialogue, theories, or whatever else with the film). Hell, Chris Nolan has been working on this movie for the past 10 years.
I have read in other forums that in all the 'reality scenes', Cobb is not wearing a wedding ring, and in all the 'dream sequences' he is. Someone has mentioned that you can clearly see Dom's ring finger both on the plane before going into the dream and after the inception when he awakes on the plane-- and in both scenes he is ring-less. But it is clear he has the ring on during the 'inception dream sequences'. This is proof enough for me that he was not dreaming at the end of the film. Why else would Nolan include a detail like that?
Damn some people are really reaching with their theories, not particularly on this board, but in general from what I have read in other forums.
When Ariadne and Cobb go back to get Mal and Fisher, they knew very well that a) they were in limbo and b) the only way out was to die. So Cobb knew how to get out of limbo since he's been there before and got out, correct? So when Saito got shot in dream 1, why not tell him to go to limbo and die, and then come back to them in tip top shape? Instead he made such a big stink about how going to limbo is the worst thing in eternity. Instead of telling them the way out of Limbo.
To introduce a way to get out of dreams, then say you can't do it because blah blah, then do it at the end to get out of everything? That's a covered up plot hole man...
Because going into limbo is a risk, a HUGE risk. Once in limbo, you're so deep into the dream, that you don't know you're dreaming-- you can't differentiate between the dream and reality. Cobb and Ariadne were in limbo for seconds, they could remember the truth. Saito was in there for decades-- obviously he slowly forgot and limbo became his reality. Cobb ran just as much of a risk when he went into limbo to save Saito, he damn near forgot why he was there.
Saito didn't know what to do because Cobb didn't say, when you die, die again in limbo. He didn't disclose any info to the team, and it kinda screwed them over. After feeling guilty, he went to get Saito. Limbo became his reality because he didn't know what was going on. Had Cobb not been a selfish, self loathing bastard, he could have told the team what to expect and not kept all the skeletons in the closet. Limbo doesn't sound so bad when all you have to do is die, just like any regular dream.Originally Posted by jamminbyalias
Originally Posted by JZero23
Originally Posted by jamminbyalias
Originally Posted by JZero23
Can someone explain the reason why being in Limbo is so bad? Once you're down there, you just have to kill yourself then you are back to your normal self. Dude and his wife put their heads on the train tracks. The girl and the business guy both jumped off the building and woke up in level 3. He found the Japanese dude and they both shot themselves with the gun on the table.
So what's so bad about being in "limbo"? Too many plot holes in this movie.
It was a great movie, but it seemed like they wrote it as they went along, instead of thinking things through. If you can't die in a dream within a dream because you will be in limbo, but then if you die in limbo you are sent back, then what is there to worry about?
You may be able to kill yourself and get back to "reality"--but when you're stuck in limbo, you're so deep into the dream you may never realize you're dreaming-- you're lost for eternity. Saito and Mal could have easily been stuck in limbo forever (while their brain in 'reality' turned into mush) if Cobb didn't save them.
I don't agree that there are plot holes in the movie-- everything seemed well thought out and if you are questioning certain things in the movie-- they were most likely included (or not included) purposely for a reason (either to spark dialogue, theories, or whatever else with the film). Hell, Chris Nolan has been working on this movie for the past 10 years.
I have read in other forums that in all the 'reality scenes', Cobb is not wearing a wedding ring, and in all the 'dream sequences' he is. Someone has mentioned that you can clearly see Dom's ring finger both on the plane before going into the dream and after the inception when he awakes on the plane-- and in both scenes he is ring-less. But it is clear he has the ring on during the 'inception dream sequences'. This is proof enough for me that he was not dreaming at the end of the film. Why else would Nolan include a detail like that?
Damn some people are really reaching with their theories, not particularly on this board, but in general from what I have read in other forums.
When Ariadne and Cobb go back to get Mal and Fisher, they knew very well that a) they were in limbo and b) the only way out was to die. So Cobb knew how to get out of limbo since he's been there before and got out, correct? So when Saito got shot in dream 1, why not tell him to go to limbo and die, and then come back to them in tip top shape? Instead he made such a big stink about how going to limbo is the worst thing in eternity. Instead of telling them the way out of Limbo.
To introduce a way to get out of dreams, then say you can't do it because blah blah, then do it at the end to get out of everything? That's a covered up plot hole man...
Because going into limbo is a risk, a HUGE risk. Once in limbo, you're so deep into the dream, that you don't know you're dreaming-- you can't differentiate between the dream and reality. Cobb and Ariadne were in limbo for seconds, they could remember the truth. Saito was in there for decades-- obviously he slowly forgot and limbo became his reality. Cobb ran just as much of a risk when he went into limbo to save Saito, he damn near forgot why he was there.
Originally Posted by JZero23
Saito didn't know what to do because Cobb didn't say, when you die, die again in limbo. He didn't disclose any info to the team, and it kinda screwed them over. After feeling guilty, he went to get Saito. Limbo became his reality because he didn't know what was going on. Had Cobb not been a selfish, self loathing bastard, he could have told the team what to expect and not kept all the skeletons in the closet. Limbo doesn't sound so bad when all you have to do is die, just like any regular dream.Originally Posted by jamminbyalias
Originally Posted by JZero23
Originally Posted by jamminbyalias
Originally Posted by JZero23
Can someone explain the reason why being in Limbo is so bad? Once you're down there, you just have to kill yourself then you are back to your normal self. Dude and his wife put their heads on the train tracks. The girl and the business guy both jumped off the building and woke up in level 3. He found the Japanese dude and they both shot themselves with the gun on the table.
So what's so bad about being in "limbo"? Too many plot holes in this movie.
It was a great movie, but it seemed like they wrote it as they went along, instead of thinking things through. If you can't die in a dream within a dream because you will be in limbo, but then if you die in limbo you are sent back, then what is there to worry about?
You may be able to kill yourself and get back to "reality"--but when you're stuck in limbo, you're so deep into the dream you may never realize you're dreaming-- you're lost for eternity. Saito and Mal could have easily been stuck in limbo forever (while their brain in 'reality' turned into mush) if Cobb didn't save them.
I don't agree that there are plot holes in the movie-- everything seemed well thought out and if you are questioning certain things in the movie-- they were most likely included (or not included) purposely for a reason (either to spark dialogue, theories, or whatever else with the film). Hell, Chris Nolan has been working on this movie for the past 10 years.
I have read in other forums that in all the 'reality scenes', Cobb is not wearing a wedding ring, and in all the 'dream sequences' he is. Someone has mentioned that you can clearly see Dom's ring finger both on the plane before going into the dream and after the inception when he awakes on the plane-- and in both scenes he is ring-less. But it is clear he has the ring on during the 'inception dream sequences'. This is proof enough for me that he was not dreaming at the end of the film. Why else would Nolan include a detail like that?
Damn some people are really reaching with their theories, not particularly on this board, but in general from what I have read in other forums.
When Ariadne and Cobb go back to get Mal and Fisher, they knew very well that a) they were in limbo and b) the only way out was to die. So Cobb knew how to get out of limbo since he's been there before and got out, correct? So when Saito got shot in dream 1, why not tell him to go to limbo and die, and then come back to them in tip top shape? Instead he made such a big stink about how going to limbo is the worst thing in eternity. Instead of telling them the way out of Limbo.
To introduce a way to get out of dreams, then say you can't do it because blah blah, then do it at the end to get out of everything? That's a covered up plot hole man...
Because going into limbo is a risk, a HUGE risk. Once in limbo, you're so deep into the dream, that you don't know you're dreaming-- you can't differentiate between the dream and reality. Cobb and Ariadne were in limbo for seconds, they could remember the truth. Saito was in there for decades-- obviously he slowly forgot and limbo became his reality. Cobb ran just as much of a risk when he went into limbo to save Saito, he damn near forgot why he was there.
Cobb and Mel were in limbo for a "lifetime" and grew old together, they then proceeded to wake up and not a lot of time passed. Sure they were just dreaming, but being in limbo for so long, they still were ok.
Originally Posted by JZero23
Saito didn't know what to do because Cobb didn't say, when you die, die again in limbo. He didn't disclose any info to the team, and it kinda screwed them over. After feeling guilty, he went to get Saito. Limbo became his reality because he didn't know what was going on. Had Cobb not been a selfish, self loathing bastard, he could have told the team what to expect and not kept all the skeletons in the closet. Limbo doesn't sound so bad when all you have to do is die, just like any regular dream.Originally Posted by jamminbyalias
Originally Posted by JZero23
Originally Posted by jamminbyalias
Originally Posted by JZero23
Can someone explain the reason why being in Limbo is so bad? Once you're down there, you just have to kill yourself then you are back to your normal self. Dude and his wife put their heads on the train tracks. The girl and the business guy both jumped off the building and woke up in level 3. He found the Japanese dude and they both shot themselves with the gun on the table.
So what's so bad about being in "limbo"? Too many plot holes in this movie.
It was a great movie, but it seemed like they wrote it as they went along, instead of thinking things through. If you can't die in a dream within a dream because you will be in limbo, but then if you die in limbo you are sent back, then what is there to worry about?
You may be able to kill yourself and get back to "reality"--but when you're stuck in limbo, you're so deep into the dream you may never realize you're dreaming-- you're lost for eternity. Saito and Mal could have easily been stuck in limbo forever (while their brain in 'reality' turned into mush) if Cobb didn't save them.
I don't agree that there are plot holes in the movie-- everything seemed well thought out and if you are questioning certain things in the movie-- they were most likely included (or not included) purposely for a reason (either to spark dialogue, theories, or whatever else with the film). Hell, Chris Nolan has been working on this movie for the past 10 years.
I have read in other forums that in all the 'reality scenes', Cobb is not wearing a wedding ring, and in all the 'dream sequences' he is. Someone has mentioned that you can clearly see Dom's ring finger both on the plane before going into the dream and after the inception when he awakes on the plane-- and in both scenes he is ring-less. But it is clear he has the ring on during the 'inception dream sequences'. This is proof enough for me that he was not dreaming at the end of the film. Why else would Nolan include a detail like that?
Damn some people are really reaching with their theories, not particularly on this board, but in general from what I have read in other forums.
When Ariadne and Cobb go back to get Mal and Fisher, they knew very well that a) they were in limbo and b) the only way out was to die. So Cobb knew how to get out of limbo since he's been there before and got out, correct? So when Saito got shot in dream 1, why not tell him to go to limbo and die, and then come back to them in tip top shape? Instead he made such a big stink about how going to limbo is the worst thing in eternity. Instead of telling them the way out of Limbo.
To introduce a way to get out of dreams, then say you can't do it because blah blah, then do it at the end to get out of everything? That's a covered up plot hole man...
Because going into limbo is a risk, a HUGE risk. Once in limbo, you're so deep into the dream, that you don't know you're dreaming-- you can't differentiate between the dream and reality. Cobb and Ariadne were in limbo for seconds, they could remember the truth. Saito was in there for decades-- obviously he slowly forgot and limbo became his reality. Cobb ran just as much of a risk when he went into limbo to save Saito, he damn near forgot why he was there.
Cobb and Mel were in limbo for a "lifetime" and grew old together, they then proceeded to wake up and not a lot of time passed. Sure they were just dreaming, but being in limbo for so long, they still were ok.
If I understood you correctly, you believe that they were able to go to Limbo through the "dream machine", but still retain the knowledge that they were in Limbo because they didn't enter into Limbo through "dying" (lol kind've confusing, but I believe this is what you were trying to say). This is a plausible theory, but as the idea of entering into Limbo through the "dream machine" was not in the film (and would be such a major part to the comprehension of the plot) I'm pretty sure it's just faulty filmmaking and writing on the part of Nolan.Originally Posted by Nako XL
ekon and unborn seed what parts did you want me to elaborate on?
If I understood you correctly, you believe that they were able to go to Limbo through the "dream machine", but still retain the knowledge that they were in Limbo because they didn't enter into Limbo through "dying" (lol kind've confusing, but I believe this is what you were trying to say). This is a plausible theory, but as the idea of entering into Limbo through the "dream machine" was not in the film (and would be such a major part to the comprehension of the plot) I'm pretty sure it's just faulty filmmaking and writing on the part of Nolan.Originally Posted by Nako XL
ekon and unborn seed what parts did you want me to elaborate on?
Originally Posted by thytkerjobs
lol at "Juno"
Originally Posted by thytkerjobs
lol at "Juno"
Originally Posted by ekon one
If I understood you correctly, you believe that they were able to go to Limbo through the "dream machine", but still retain the knowledge that they were in Limbo because they didn't enter into Limbo through "dying" (lol kind've confusing, but I believe this is what you were trying to say). This is a plausible theory, but as the idea of entering into Limbo through the "dream machine" was not in the film (and would be such a major part to the comprehension of the plot) I'm pretty sure it's just faulty filmmaking and writing on the part of Nolan.Originally Posted by Nako XL
ekon and unborn seed what parts did you want me to elaborate on?
Nako I'm also interested in your take on the question I presented above about the diverging paths of Juno (yeah i know thats not really her name lol) and Fisher.
Originally Posted by ekon one
If I understood you correctly, you believe that they were able to go to Limbo through the "dream machine", but still retain the knowledge that they were in Limbo because they didn't enter into Limbo through "dying" (lol kind've confusing, but I believe this is what you were trying to say). This is a plausible theory, but as the idea of entering into Limbo through the "dream machine" was not in the film (and would be such a major part to the comprehension of the plot) I'm pretty sure it's just faulty filmmaking and writing on the part of Nolan.Originally Posted by Nako XL
ekon and unborn seed what parts did you want me to elaborate on?
Nako I'm also interested in your take on the question I presented above about the diverging paths of Juno (yeah i know thats not really her name lol) and Fisher.
I watched it twice and I know for a fact that leo and juno hooked themselves to the machine to follow mal. whether that was limbo or not they didnt die so they couldn't have gone to limbo. From my grasp of the movie...leo dies in the van so he goes into limbo after saito.Originally Posted by ekon one
Originally Posted by Nako XL
Keeping the discussion mature, I don't think you understood this part of the movie. It's clearly stated in the movie that Leo and Juno both entered Limbo after leaving the third dream, I'm backed up by the graphic posted as well.Originally Posted by TheHealthInspector
Nope, they (Juno and Leo) BOTH went into Limbo together as can be seen from the graphic above and it's stated in the movie. The contradiction and major plot hole is that Fisher had died and entered limbo. According to the facts presented in the movie he should have been in Limbo and not accesible to Leo and Juno unless they killed themselves in the third dream, which they did not. Leo and Juno SHOULD HAVE both entered a fourth dream through the "shared dream device", not Limbo.Originally Posted by UnbornSeed
Originally Posted by ekon one
Noskey wrote:
ekon one wrote:
**SOMEONE PLEASE EXPLAIN THIS OR GIVE THEIR OWN THEORY TO HELP SETTLE A DEBATE**:
How come Leo and Juno both were able to get into Limbo without killing themselves? I'm a pretty smart guy, but did I miss something? Currently I'm standing by the idea this is a major plot hole.
I think they went into Leo's dream together, not limbo. Then from there, Juno jumped off the building to get out of that dream, but Leo stayed behind to die with the collapsing building. Then he went into limbo alone.
But I'd need to see that whole scene again to be sure.
UnbornSeed wrote:
ekon one wrote:
They plugged into a machine to get to the next dream. Only one in Limbo was Leo when he dies in the van underwater.
Again, I could in fact be the one who was mistaken and missed or misunderstood something in the movie, but I believe I haven't. I think this plot hole actually collapses the whole movie in on itself.... Anyone else have any other theories/information I may not have touched upon?
I watched it twice and I know for a fact that leo and juno hooked themselves to the machine to follow mal. whether that was limbo or not they didnt die so they couldn't have gone to limbo. From my grasp of the movie...leo dies in the van so he goes into limbo after saito.Originally Posted by ekon one
Originally Posted by Nako XL
Keeping the discussion mature, I don't think you understood this part of the movie. It's clearly stated in the movie that Leo and Juno both entered Limbo after leaving the third dream, I'm backed up by the graphic posted as well.Originally Posted by TheHealthInspector
Nope, they (Juno and Leo) BOTH went into Limbo together as can be seen from the graphic above and it's stated in the movie. The contradiction and major plot hole is that Fisher had died and entered limbo. According to the facts presented in the movie he should have been in Limbo and not accesible to Leo and Juno unless they killed themselves in the third dream, which they did not. Leo and Juno SHOULD HAVE both entered a fourth dream through the "shared dream device", not Limbo.Originally Posted by UnbornSeed
Originally Posted by ekon one
Noskey wrote:
ekon one wrote:
**SOMEONE PLEASE EXPLAIN THIS OR GIVE THEIR OWN THEORY TO HELP SETTLE A DEBATE**:
How come Leo and Juno both were able to get into Limbo without killing themselves? I'm a pretty smart guy, but did I miss something? Currently I'm standing by the idea this is a major plot hole.
I think they went into Leo's dream together, not limbo. Then from there, Juno jumped off the building to get out of that dream, but Leo stayed behind to die with the collapsing building. Then he went into limbo alone.
But I'd need to see that whole scene again to be sure.
UnbornSeed wrote:
ekon one wrote:
They plugged into a machine to get to the next dream. Only one in Limbo was Leo when he dies in the van underwater.
Again, I could in fact be the one who was mistaken and missed or misunderstood something in the movie, but I believe I haven't. I think this plot hole actually collapses the whole movie in on itself.... Anyone else have any other theories/information I may not have touched upon?
Originally Posted by MrONegative
Originally Posted by ekon one
Originally Posted by Nako XL
Originally Posted by TheHealthInspector
Originally Posted by UnbornSeed
Originally Posted by MrONegative
Originally Posted by ekon one
Originally Posted by Nako XL
Originally Posted by TheHealthInspector
Originally Posted by UnbornSeed