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Originally Posted by IICEMAN83
Theres truth to this. Creatine does affect your liver and kidneys.Originally Posted by JOE CAMEL SMOOTH
absolutely incorrectOriginally Posted by HI PROFILE
creatine has a side effect on your liverOriginally Posted by JOE CAMEL SMOOTH
sup hos
creatine is fine, cheap no sides and effective
take it
have had doctors tell me they couldn't prescribe certain meds to patients who used creatine because it effed up their liver so bad
a lot of doctors are idiots who know nothing they don't have to know.
When I started, there was only creatine and andro. Now I see all this klyconine, xmonocreaklokyne...type @*@%.
You guys have no idea what this stuff is doing to your bodies on the inside. And honestly, all that stuff is a waste. Creatine is a waste if your aiming to put on PERMANENT muscle. Your body will adapt to it within a month and you'll lose all your gains afterwards. And as you take it more and more, after awhile you stop responding.
care to elaborate? what doesnt make sense?Originally Posted by wawaweewa
Originally Posted by IICEMAN83
Theres truth to this. Creatine does affect your liver and kidneys.Originally Posted by JOE CAMEL SMOOTH
absolutely incorrectOriginally Posted by HI PROFILE
creatine has a side effect on your liverOriginally Posted by JOE CAMEL SMOOTH
sup hos
creatine is fine, cheap no sides and effective
take it
have had doctors tell me they couldn't prescribe certain meds to patients who used creatine because it effed up their liver so bad
a lot of doctors are idiots who know nothing they don't have to know.
When I started, there was only creatine and andro. Now I see all this klyconine, xmonocreaklokyne...type @*@%.
You guys have no idea what this stuff is doing to your bodies on the inside. And honestly, all that stuff is a waste. Creatine is a waste if your aiming to put on PERMANENT muscle. Your body will adapt to it within a month and you'll lose all your gains afterwards. And as you take it more and more, after awhile you stop responding.
Not true and doesn't make much sense.
Creatine has other benefits besides aiding in training.
Creatine may affect liver function, and should be used cautiously with potentially hepatotoxic (liver-damaging) or nephrotoxic (kidney damaging) herbs and supplements.
http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/druginfo/natural/patient-creatine.html
One major fear over the use of creatine is kidney disease. Overdoses of creatine can cause stress on the kidneys. The creatine that is not used by the muscles is converted to creatinine and is a waste product. Repeated excesses of creatinine put a lot of stress on the kidneys and can cause problems for the kidneys. ( http://www.absolute-creatine.com/4.htm) A twenty-year old man on twenty grams of creatine a day for nearly a month developed interstitial nephritis, a disease of the kidney. The patient was hospitalized and stopped the use of creatine. After ceasing the intake of creatine, the patient improved dramatically. This provides evidence that the abuse of the supplement can cause great harm to the kidneys. (http://www.nejm.org/content/1999/0340/0010/0814.asp)
Originally Posted by IICEMAN83
Creatine may affect liver function, and should be used cautiously with potentially hepatotoxic (liver-damaging) or nephrotoxic (kidney damaging) herbs and supplements.
One major fear over the use of creatine is kidney disease. Overdoses of creatine can cause stress on the kidneys. The creatine that is not used by the muscles is converted to creatinine and is a waste product. Repeated excesses of creatinine put a lot of stress on the kidneys and can cause problems for the kidneys. ( http://www.absolute-creatine.com/4.htm) A twenty-year old man on twenty grams of creatine a day for nearly a month developed interstitial nephritis, a disease of the kidney. The patient was hospitalized and stopped the use of creatine. After ceasing the intake of creatine, the patient improved dramatically. This provides evidence that the abuse of the supplement can cause great harm to the kidneys. (http://www.nejm.org/content/1999/0340/0010/0814.asp)
Overdose of any substance which your kidneys have to process can cause kidney disease. Basically, you an overdose on any vitamin or mineral. That doesn'tmean that vitamins dand minerals are bad for your health.
Creatine is not an end product. Your body converts creatine so that it can be used by your muscular system (for which the majority of creatine is used).Unneeded creatine is transported to the kidneys so that it can be converted into waste. So yes, if you're make your kidneys constantly work overtimeeventually they will break down . Although inherently some individuals can tolerate a lot more than others which makes the "kidney disease" argumentextremely generic.
The thing with creatine is that supplementation is needed because you cannot utilize your body's capacity for creatine simply through eating a normal diet.Especially with the red meat available in the US (sickly, low quality, and who knows what else). I'd venture to guess that many people in the US (andaround the world prob.) are creatine deficient.
Creatine doesn't play a direct role in building muscle. It simply allows an individual to utilitize more of the musclular potential that he already has.
Originally Posted by verynecessary
no doubt, quads are vital to sprints, but i think glutes are more so. hear me out. out of the blocks, right up to the point where you're fully upright, the emphasis is placed on the quads, so if you have weak quads, your block starts and initial acceleration will suffer. even standing (non-block) starts will take a hit too. so far we're agreed, yes?Originally Posted by keithsweatsjordans
As a state level sprinter in HS and college, I kinda have to disagree with that. The quads play a major role in a sprint, almost 90% when taking off from blocks or something of that nature. Even in the upright phase of the sprint, the quads play a major role in the stride. Even at my college conditioning level, which was very high, my quads would be more sore than my glutes after hard sprint sessions. Maybe my experience was just different but even coaches stressed the importance of strong quadsOriginally Posted by verynecessary
^ not a knock or anything, but sprinting should be more of a glute dominant activity rather than quad dominant. the first few strides might utilize more quads, but after that it should be glutes providing most of the force. of course, it could be residual tighness/soreness from a previous leg workout
once in the upright sprint position, the strongest muscle groups should take over, in this case the posterior chain muscles of the glutes and somewhat lesser, the hamstrings. the quads don't provide too much forward propulsion from a biomechanical perspective, since the range of motion they would be most effective to push from is very small compared to the glutes and hamstrings, which can exert a forward force for almost their full range of motion. so you've got two things going for the glutes/posterior chain: the greatest force potential and far greater range of motion to exert that force. i'm not saying the quads are doing nothing at this point, but it also depends on your running position (lean) and whether you're naturally quad dominant or not.
u salty panarican?Originally Posted by PanaRicanRetro
Dammit, I swear if I see one more pair of those damn feet-spandex at my gym, I'm gonna start dropping 45lb plates on peoples toes. Seriously an overexaggeration of the idea of doing floor-based exercises barefoot. Really no need, and if you want to feel closer to the ground and more stable when squatting, deadlifting, etc... just wear some chucks. I guess wear whatever you want, but most of the guys I see at the gym wearing these are never going anywhere near the squat rack, they're doing cardio and abs and using nautilus machines wearing those things...in my defense, i stay the hell away from cardio machines for the most part, and spend a lot of time in the squat rack. there's the added benefit of them allowing your toes are spread out more naturally, for an added sense of stabily. whether or not that helps or it's just a psychological thing, whatever, but i've read that a lot of people feel their toes "claw" the ground when they lift with them on.
i know this is NT and all, so would you hate them less if they had brighter colorways?
Spoiler [+]
i wear the gorilla black ones
There are many factors for every supplement and you can't possibly cover them all on a forum.Originally Posted by IICEMAN83
Wawa....your forgeting many major factors when it comes to creatine. Ill be back later
This dude is a nutcaseOriginally Posted by quik1987
Some inspiration
Originally Posted by creamOfDacrops
Any tips on getting a body like this?
oh no doubt, i'm not feeling the clones. luckily for me it's not that bad out here in so cal. there is something to be said about thethinness of the soles though. chucks still seem pretty thick compared to these. it's like when i play ball, it makes a big difference the thinner thesoles are. more of a "grounded" feeling.Originally Posted by PanaRicanRetro
In all honesty, the first couple of times I saw someone in the gym wearing them, I wasn't surprised. I'm not knocking you if you're using them for floor-based lifts as I can see how they'd feel beneficial, but I also think you can get the same effect with some flat-soled sneakers like chucks or wrestling shoes, so it's not like these are absolutely necessary, but whatever feels best to you.Originally Posted by verynecessary
u salty panarican?Originally Posted by PanaRicanRetro
Dammit, I swear if I see one more pair of those damn feet-spandex at my gym, I'm gonna start dropping 45lb plates on peoples toes. Seriously an overexaggeration of the idea of doing floor-based exercises barefoot. Really no need, and if you want to feel closer to the ground and more stable when squatting, deadlifting, etc... just wear some chucks. I guess wear whatever you want, but most of the guys I see at the gym wearing these are never going anywhere near the squat rack, they're doing cardio and abs and using nautilus machines wearing those things...in my defense, i stay the hell away from cardio machines for the most part, and spend a lot of time in the squat rack. there's the added benefit of them allowing your toes are spread out more naturally, for an added sense of stabily. whether or not that helps or it's just a psychological thing, whatever, but i've read that a lot of people feel their toes "claw" the ground when they lift with them on.
i know this is NT and all, so would you hate them less if they had brighter colorways?
Spoiler [+]
i wear the gorilla black ones
My problem is I live in Cambridge, MA, land of the clones. Everybody looks and dresses like everyone else here. You'll see it when you go out, people in groups all dress the same as the other people in their group. These shoes are just the newest trend to catch on for the sake of it being a trend. I saw about 8-10 different guys in my gym the other night wearing them and I always saw them doing nautilus machines are using the stretching mat to do crunches and oblique twists and stuff. I've only seen one guy in my gym wear them to do squats. The colors don't bother me, but I hate the half-footed ones that don't have that midfoot strap like the ones in the above pic.
Originally Posted by verynecessary
oh no doubt, i'm not feeling the clones. luckily for me it's not that bad out here in so cal. there is something to be said about the thinness of the soles though. chucks still seem pretty thick compared to these. it's like when i play ball, it makes a big difference the thinner the soles are. more of a "grounded" feeling.Originally Posted by PanaRicanRetro
In all honesty, the first couple of times I saw someone in the gym wearing them, I wasn't surprised. I'm not knocking you if you're using them for floor-based lifts as I can see how they'd feel beneficial, but I also think you can get the same effect with some flat-soled sneakers like chucks or wrestling shoes, so it's not like these are absolutely necessary, but whatever feels best to you.Originally Posted by verynecessary
u salty panarican?Originally Posted by PanaRicanRetro
Dammit, I swear if I see one more pair of those damn feet-spandex at my gym, I'm gonna start dropping 45lb plates on peoples toes. Seriously an overexaggeration of the idea of doing floor-based exercises barefoot. Really no need, and if you want to feel closer to the ground and more stable when squatting, deadlifting, etc... just wear some chucks. I guess wear whatever you want, but most of the guys I see at the gym wearing these are never going anywhere near the squat rack, they're doing cardio and abs and using nautilus machines wearing those things...in my defense, i stay the hell away from cardio machines for the most part, and spend a lot of time in the squat rack. there's the added benefit of them allowing your toes are spread out more naturally, for an added sense of stabily. whether or not that helps or it's just a psychological thing, whatever, but i've read that a lot of people feel their toes "claw" the ground when they lift with them on.
i know this is NT and all, so would you hate them less if they had brighter colorways?
Spoiler [+]
i wear the gorilla black ones
My problem is I live in Cambridge, MA, land of the clones. Everybody looks and dresses like everyone else here. You'll see it when you go out, people in groups all dress the same as the other people in their group. These shoes are just the newest trend to catch on for the sake of it being a trend. I saw about 8-10 different guys in my gym the other night wearing them and I always saw them doing nautilus machines are using the stretching mat to do crunches and oblique twists and stuff. I've only seen one guy in my gym wear them to do squats. The colors don't bother me, but I hate the half-footed ones that don't have that midfoot strap like the ones in the above pic.
you probably don't wanna see any of the ones you see with a strap, but without the midfoot covering. they look like mary janes
Who ever said creatine doesnt work?....What I said was, its a waste if your looking to put on permanent muscle. If you thinkcreatine plays a role in lean muscle mass your a fool.Originally Posted by wawaweewa
There are many factors for every supplement and you can't possibly cover them all on a forum.Originally Posted by IICEMAN83
Wawa....your forgeting many major factors when it comes to creatine. Ill be back later
The point is it works and any risks associated with taking it are minute at best.
. Creatine is supplemented with to increase phosphocreatine in the muscle, which in turn increases ATP. ATP is used by the muscle as energy. Increasing phosphocreatine stores in the body can improve strength and body mass by hydrating muscle cells and other factors
Now, if you want to gain some temporary strength and feel a good pump while your muscles are filled with water giving you the"appearance" of muscles...by all means take it by the cupfull. But once you come off and you p!ssed your muscles out, you'll be the size you were before.
I never said your gonna get kidney disease from taking creatine, but it does affect your kidneys and liver function point blank.
You still didnt answer my question. What doesnt make much sense about what I said?
Originally Posted by JOE CAMEL SMOOTH
absolutely incorrectOriginally Posted by HI PROFILE
creatine has a side effect on your liverOriginally Posted by JOE CAMEL SMOOTH
sup hos
creatine is fine, cheap no sides and effective
take it
have had doctors tell me they couldn't prescribe certain meds to patients who used creatine because it effed up their liver so bad
a lot of doctors are idiots who know nothing they don't have to know.
Originally Posted by brettTHEjett
Originally Posted by creamOfDacrops
Any tips on getting a body like this?
Genetics.
If you are skinnier than him currently, you must complete a bulking phase followed by a cutting phase.
He is probably 180lbs... which is where my scrawny *$% wants to be so I'll be doing about two bulking phases to a cutting phase.
If you are larger than him and want to have defined muscles you must do a cutting phase using HIRT at least 2 days a week.
http://www.projectswole.c...d-how-should-you-use-it/
Who ever said creatine doesnt work?....What I said was, its a waste if your looking to put on permanent muscle. If you think creatine plays a role in lean muscle mass your a fool.
It plays a role, yes, but its not what puts the muscle mass on.
It affects your livers
You got more than one???
If you want a temporary fix thats basically what it is. Ive taken creatine when it first hit the market, then went to cell tech when that was the+@+* and then all this other types began coming out. And I can say by experience from years of trying creatine, you will lose your gains made by creatine. Itsbasically all water. And after awhile your body loses its response to it. Even with anabolic steroids, your body will adapt to it, thats why increasing dosagesis almost a must.Originally Posted by DaBuddhaWitJays
So, if I get off the creatine once I'm done taking it...
I begin to lose a lot of muscle mass/strength? Even if I continue lifting?
The hell is the point in that?
I guess I'll just stick to whey protein like I've always been. LOL
Originally Posted by Durden7
Who ever said creatine doesnt work?....What I said was, its a waste if your looking to put on permanent muscle. If you think creatine plays a role in lean muscle mass your a fool.
IICEMAN83
If you think creatine plays a role
Durden7
It plays a role, yes,