***THE 2011 NFL QUARTERBACK THREAD*** (QBRs through week 9 pg. 16)

[fraij da 5 11]

Dalton x Green combo on pace for:

Dalton: 316 CMP, 514 ATT, 61.5%, 3692 YDS, 6.60 YPA, 24 TD, 14 INT, 85.0 RTG
Green: 80 REC, 1198 YDS, 15.0 Y/R, 10 TD

 

[dacomeup]

Dalton

. Palmer threw 20 INTs last year. Dalton on pace for 6 less as a rookie.

 

[651akathepaul]

That's why numbers will always only be numbers...They don't lie, but they do not tell the whole story. It's a cliche that I believe holds true and this is another case as of why.

 

[fraij da 5 11]

^ What exactly is your point? Not into projected stats?

 

[university of nike]

Originally Posted by 651akathePaul

That's why numbers will always only be numbers...They don't lie, but they do not tell the whole story. It's a cliche that I believe holds true and this is another case as of why.

How are his numbers lying, though? The Bengals are 6-2 and he's playing excellent football.

 

[651akathepaul]

Nothing. Misread what was going on. I still like that cliche though.

 

[CP1708]

Originally Posted by 651akathePaul

That's why numbers will always only be numbers...They don't lie, but they do not tell the whole story.

Like when people try to sell me that Ichiro is a great hitter cuz he gets 200 hits, and Pujols gets 195. 


Good thing I'm here. 

  

 

[damnitzdom]

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/aaron-rodgers-fred-jackson-darrelle-revis-midseason-awards-110811
5. Offensive Rookie of the Year – Cam Newton

Newton’s start has been eye-popping and impressive. He’s been a machine, ranking sixth in the league with 2,393 yards. Newton’s also been a major factor running the ball, with some majestic scampers for first downs and touchdowns.

But this was hardly an easy call. In fact, it was practically a flip of the coin. Newton has major competition in Bengals quarterback Andy Dalton, who has adroitly guided the Bengals to six stunning wins at the midway point. Dalton actually has more touchdown passes and fewer picks than Newton. I’m giving Newton the edge on his sheer domination, but it hard to ignore what Dalton has done leading the Bengals. He could win or lose this award in the Bengals’ four games in the second half against the Ravens and Steelers.

So a guy with MORE touchdowns and LESS picks and MORE wins doesn't get the nod? This makes no sense.

 

[dmxfury]

Dalton v Ben, should be good

 

[hankmoody]

[table][tr][td]TOP 10 QUARTERBACK SEASONS (RODGERS PRO-RATED)[/td][/tr][tr][td]Player[/td][td]Year[/td][td]PAA[/td][/tr][tr][td]Aaron Rodgers[/td][td]2011[/td][td]200.2[/td][/tr][tr][td]Tom Brady[/td][td]2007[/td][td]163.2[/td][/tr][tr][td]Bert Jones[/td][td]1976[/td][td]159.0[/td][/tr][tr][td]Peyton Manning[/td][td]2004[/td][td]150.4[/td][/tr][tr][td]Dan Marino[/td][td]1984[/td][td]149.8[/td][/tr][tr][td]Daunte Culpepper[/td][td]2004[/td][td]148.9[/td][/tr][tr][td]Steve Young[/td][td]1992[/td][td]143.4[/td][/tr][tr][td]Ken Anderson[/td][td]1975[/td][td]143.4[/td][/tr][tr][td]Ken Stabler[/td][td]1976[/td][td]142.5[/td][/tr][tr][td]Ken Anderson[/td][td]1974[/td][td]140.0[/td][/tr][/table]

 

[fraij da 5 11]

Originally Posted by University of Nike

WTH IS THAT ABOUT?!?!

Quarterback:  Aaron Rodgers (GB)

A controversial selection? Not so far this year. Rodgers has been head and shoulders above the competition with as close to flawless a display you’re likely to see from a quarterback. Put it this way, if you exclude spikes, throwaways and dropped passes Rodgers is completing 81.3% of his passes.


per Pro Football Focus.

 

[fraij da 5 11]

[h2]Signature Stat – Accuracy Percentage[/h2]
November 11th, 2011 | Author: Nathan Jahnke

This past spring we introduced Accuracy Percentage, and two months ago we went over it again looking at just one week of this season’s data. However this signature statistic is so interesting, that we’re looking at it again.

This time we’ve got so much more data it boggles the mind. Whereas after Week 1 we have only 16 games worth of numbers, now we’ve got a frankly quite awesome 129 (after adding San Diego at Oakland to the mix). So you’re not just looking at a one off with this article, you’re looking at patterns and trends of a very decent sample size.

So take a load off and get ready for the return of the PFF Signature Stats where we’ll look at two of the most accurate passing seasons we’ve seen, one of the best games we’ve seen, and give Tim Tebow haters more ammunition. Now, where to start …



Accuracy, thy name is Rodgers

Before we drop the bombshell of all bombshells let me quickly remind you what the Accuracy Percentage is. It is, as simply as possible, the Pro Football Focus way of ‘fixing’ the completion percentage stat which can so badly misrepresent a player. Our ‘Accuracy Percentage’ excludes all dropped passes, throwaways and spikes, leaving you with a stat which is all about looking at the accuracy of a quarterback, looking only at passes which are actually aimed at a receiver. Now let’s start with the exceptional shall we?

It may have escaped your attention but Aaron Rodgers is having a pretty good season. As close to flawless as we have seen anyway during our time as he has completed an incredible 81.3% of all his aimed passes. We all know Tom Brady was pretty good last year, but he only completed 76.1% of aimed passes in 2010 (the highest percentage along with Drew Brees). So Rodgers (who was third in 2010 with a 74.4% rating) is kind of redefining expectation right now with the kind of quarterback play that is as good as you’re likely to see from anyone. That’s enough praise for him right now as there’s more to come later. Instead let’s turn our attention to other members of the top five.
[h2]Overall - Top 5[/h2][table][tr][th=""]Rank[/th][th=""]Name[/th][th=""]Team[/th][th=""]Att.[/th][th=""]Comp[/th][th=""]Drops[/th][th=""]TA[/th][th=""]SP[/th][th=""]Acc. %[/th][/tr][tr][td]1[/td][td]Aaron Rodgers[/td][td]GB[/td][td]265[/td][td]192[/td][td]16[/td][td]8[/td][td]1[/td][td]81.3[/td][/tr][tr][td]2[/td][td]Drew Brees[/td][td]NO[/td][td]379[/td][td]269[/td][td]18[/td][td]6[/td][td]3[/td][td]77.6[/td][/tr][tr][td]3[/td][td]Alex D. Smith[/td][td]SF[/td][td]206[/td][td]132[/td][td]18[/td][td]6[/td][td]0[/td][td]75.0[/td][/tr][tr][td]4[/td][td]Michael Vick[/td][td]PHI[/td][td]266[/td][td]165[/td][td]22[/td][td]8[/td][td]2[/td][td]73.0[/td][/tr][tr][td]5[/td][td]Andy Dalton[/td][td]CIN[/td][td]257[/td][td]158[/td][td]20[/td][td]11[/td][td]0[/td][td]72.4[/td][/tr][/table]
A Rookie Revelation

Perhaps the most interesting name there is Andy Dalton. The Cincinnati Bengals QB (who  jumped up to third in our Race for Rookie of the Year) is a great example of how the Accuracy Percentage stat works with the rookie nowhere near the top of any list for the common measures of a quarterback with a completion percentage of 61.5% (13[sup]th[/sup] highest mark in the league). But break it down like the Accuracy Percentage does and you start to appreciate his season all the more.  When the 20 passes Dalton’s receivers have dropped, and the 11 balls he has thrown away rather than force, are taken away and he’s a healthy fifth place, that’s 72.4% of his passes ending up complete.

Searching for that barn door

So you’ve got a glimpse of some of the good, now let’s move onto some of the bad, and it shouldn’t surprise anyone who is at the top of list. Have a look for yourself and see. Tim Tebow has been criticized  for his accuracy, and the numbers completely back that up. While he may have gone viral, and he led his team to an impressive fourth quarter comeback against the Dolphins, he’s also managed some of the most impressive (or depressive) overthrows of the year. He may be a special talent, but one of those talents doesn’t center around being accurate. He’s followed by a rookie quarterback in Blaine Gabbert who is, to put it kindly, taking his lumps with a spell of inaccurate quarterbacking that is as bad as it is consistent. Still you don’t get to a really interesting name until you see that of Joe Flacco. Yes indeed, Flacco is struggling so much in accuracy terms that you’re comparing him to names like Tebow and Gabbert. Quite the fail as the kids say.
[h2]Overall - Bottom 5[/h2][table][tr][th=""]Rank[/th][th=""]Name[/th][th=""]Team[/th][th=""]Att.[/th][th=""]Comp[/th][th=""]Drops[/th][th=""]TA[/th][th=""]SP[/th][th=""]Acc. %[/th][/tr][tr][td]36[/td][td]Tim Tebow[/td][td]DEN[/td][td]97[/td][td]45[/td][td]4[/td][td]6[/td][td]1[/td][td]54.4[/td][/tr][tr][td]35[/td][td]Blaine Gabbert[/td][td]JAX[/td][td]173[/td][td]79[/td][td]14[/td][td]7[/td][td]1[/td][td]56.4[/td][/tr][tr][td]34[/td][td]Kerry Collins[/td][td]IND[/td][td]98[/td][td]48[/td][td]5[/td][td]4[/td][td]2[/td][td]57.6[/td][/tr][tr][td]33[/td][td]Curtis Painter[/td][td]IND[/td][td]195[/td][td]104[/td][td]11[/td][td]7[/td][td]0[/td][td]61.2[/td][/tr][tr][td]32[/td][td]Joe Flacco[/td][td]BLT[/td][td]309[/td][td]169[/td][td]17[/td][td]13[/td][td]0[/td][td]62.8[/td][/tr][/table]
Practically Perfect

If you want some truly mind boggling numbers regarding quarterback accuracy you need to look at individual games. More precisely you need to turn your attention to the Packers and the Vikings, where that man again, Aaron Rodgers, was as close to perfect as it gets. He had just six incomplete passes where two were drops, two were thrown away, and one was spiked. Yep just one incomplete aimed pass all game. Credit also to Drew Breess who has two of the top five individual performances, while the ‘where-did-that-come-from’ award goes to Donovan McNabb. The one time Vikings starter helps show that accuracy isn’t everything by doing his utmost not to throw incompletions (as opposed to challenging a defense). Here’s the top five.


[h2]Individual Games - Top 5[/h2][table][tr][th=""]Rank[/th][th=""]Name[/th][th=""]Team[/th][th=""]Opp[/th][th=""]Week[/th][th=""]Att.[/th][th=""]Comp[/th][th=""]Drops[/th][th=""]TA[/th][th=""]SP[/th][th=""]Acc. %[/th][/tr][tr][td]1[/td][td]Aaron Rodgers[/td][td]GB[/td][td]MIN[/td][td]7[/td][td]30[/td][td]24[/td][td]2[/td][td]2[/td][td]1[/td][td]96.30[/td][/tr][tr][td]2[/td][td]Andy Dalton[/td][td]CIN[/td][td]IND[/td][td]6[/td][td]32[/td][td]25[/td][td]4[/td][td]0[/td][td]0[/td][td]90.63[/td][/tr][tr][td]3[/td][td]Drew Brees[/td][td]NO[/td][td]IND[/td][td]7[/td][td]35[/td][td]31[/td][td]0[/td][td]0[/td][td]0[/td][td]88.57[/td][/tr][tr][td]4[/td][td]Drew Brees[/td][td]NO[/td][td]TB[/td][td]9[/td][td]36[/td][td]27[/td][td]3[/td][td]1[/td][td]1[/td][td]88.24[/td][/tr][tr][td]5[/td][td]Donovan McNabb[/td][td]MIN[/td][td]CHI[/td][td]6[/td][td]24[/td][td]19[/td][td]2[/td][td]0[/td][td]0[/td][td]87.50[/td][/tr][/table]
Not so fearsome Jaguars

Now for the really bad. Jacksonville fans may not like this, but it seems so long ago that David Garrard finished in the top 10 of our Accuracy Percentage (both 2008 and 2010). They have three of the worst five individual performances and it’s only that truly atrocious performance from Mark Sanchez against Baltimore that prevents them having the worst. Given how well the Jags defense is playing, it’s scary to think where some competent play could have led them this year.


[h2]Individual - Bottom 5[/h2][table][tr][th=""]Rank[/th][th=""]Name[/th][th=""]Team[/th][th=""]Opp[/th][th=""]Week[/th][th=""]Att.[/th][th=""]Comp[/th][th=""]Drops[/th][th=""]TA[/th][th=""]SP[/th][th=""]Acc. %[/th][/tr][tr][td]1[/td][td]Mark Sanchez[/td][td]NYJ[/td][td]BLT[/td][td]4[/td][td]35[/td][td]11[/td][td]1[/td][td]2[/td][td]0[/td][td]36.36[/td][/tr][tr][td]2[/td][td]Luke McCown[/td][td]JAX[/td][td]NYJ[/td][td]2[/td][td]19[/td][td]6[/td][td]1[/td][td]0[/td][td]0[/td][td]36.84[/td][/tr][tr][td]3[/td][td]Blaine Gabbert[/td][td]JAX[/td][td]HST[/td][td]8[/td][td]30[/td][td]10[/td][td]2[/td][td]3[/td][td]0[/td][td]44.44[/td][/tr][tr][td]4[/td][td]Rex Grossman[/td][td]WAS[/td][td]PHI[/td][td]6[/td][td]22[/td][td]9[/td][td]0[/td][td]2[/td][td]0[/td][td]45.00[/td][/tr][tr][td]5[/td][td]Blaine Gabbert[/td][td]JAX[/td][td]NO[/td][td]4[/td][td]42[/td][td]16[/td][td]3[/td][td]0[/td][td]0[/td][td]45.24[/td][/tr][/table]



The Bottom Line 

Since the NFL started keeping track of passes attempted and completed in 1932, the incomplete pass has been a negative for a quarterback. It’s always important to realize why a pass is incomplete, and sometimes a quarterback shouldn’t be downgraded for it. We like to think of it as adding a bit of intelligence to a stat that can be otherwise easily manipulated. It might seem like taking these into account might not make a huge change, but it does. Just look at how accurate (pun intended) a picture it paints of Andy Dalton.

 

[dacomeup]

Dalton

I knew that he's been very accurate for a rookie. Those stats just show that he's been one of the most accurate QBs in the L.

 

[dland24]

Couple questions.....

-Is it time to say that Josh Freeman is not what we thought he was?

-Is it time to say that Alex Smith is an above average QB?

-Is it time that the Jets start looking for other options at QB?

-Do you buy that Carson Palmer can be Carson Palmer again?

 

[651akathepaul]

- Yes

- No

- Yes

- Yes

 

[fraij da 5 11]

Originally Posted by dland24

Couple questions.....

-Is it time to say that Josh Freeman is not what we thought he was?

-Is it time to say that Alex Smith is an above average QB?

-Is it time that the Jets start looking for other options at QB?

-Does he get any protection at all?

-No. Hes still average but they do a great job making him fit into the offense and they've got his confidence higher than its been since College probably.

-Jets get in trouble when they fall behind in games trying to pound the rock all day.  They need to give Sanchez the rock one of these days and have him go out and win the game himself.

 

[kevin cleveland]

No
No
Yes
No

 

[CP1708]

7 picks in just over 2 games, Carson Palmer is Carson Palmer. Jets shoulda started looking the minute they drafted Pick 6

 

[airmaxpenny1]

I mean we are stuck with dude for the rest of the year, it is what it is...Next year though you have to go and grab a QB.  While obvious PEyton is my first choice, if Vick or Romo became available somehow I would be ecstatic with either of those options.  Doub that will happen though with the 'Boys poised to make the playoffs and Vick just signing that 100 m deal.

 

[dland24]

To be clear, you are a Jets fan right?

 

[fraij da 5 11]

Rodgers stat of the week: He is averaging 1 foot less than a First Down per pass attempt and nearly 1 out of every 10 throws is a TD.



Rodgers through week 9:

215/295, 73%, 2869 yards, 9.7 Y/A, 28 TD, 3 INT, 130.7 QB Rating


Compared to other QB's through 9 weeks:

Tom Brady, 2007:
219/299, 73.2%, 2686 yards, 9.0 Y/A, 33 TD, 4 INT, 131.8 QB Rating

Dan Marino, 1984:
185/275, 66.5%, 2672 yards, 9.6 Y/A, 27 TD, 8 INT, 118.0 QB Rating

Peyton Manning, 2004:
197/296, 66.6%, 2749 yards, 9.3 Y/A, 31 TD, 6 INT, 122.7 QB Rating

Kurt Warner, 1999:
172/250, 68.8%, 2164 yards, 8.7 Y/A, 24 TD, 5 INT, 119.1 QB Rating

 

[dland24]

Im just gonna put this out there......

I want to see Tim Tebow in a playoff game this year.

Mark Sanchez is horrible btw.

 

[acidicality]

Originally Posted by dland24

Couple questions.....

-Is it time to say that Josh Freeman is not what we thought he was?

-Is it time to say that Alex Smith is an above average QB?

-Is it time that the Jets start looking for other options at QB?

-Do you buy that Carson Palmer can be Carson Palmer again?

-No, I say see how he does next year before evaluating him more thoroughly.
-Yes. In the right system, he is a decent QB. The Urban Meyer quote about him needing to understand everything before becoming good is 100% dead on.
-Yes. If they want to win a SB now, they need an upgrade.
-Not the Carson Palmer of old, but better than Jason Campbell (not that it's saying a whole lot tho)

 

[dland24]

Debate taken from the WIR thread......

Stafford vs. Cutler

Call me crazy but I am taking Cutler. There is no doubt that Stafford has incredible upside, but I think if you put Cutler in his position, you suffer zero dropoff. Its probably just a preference thing. I have always thought Cutler was/is a victim of his surroundings.

 

[CP1708]

Damn......I like Stafford alot, but I have also started to be impressed by Cutler this year too. 

If Cutler was in Detroit, and Stafford in Chi.....I think Cut would be fine, Stafford would struggle with the cold a bit, plus lack of CJ.