The 2014-2015 NBA Season Thread. Lock It Up Please: The Golden State Warriors Are The Champions

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Irving and Waiters probably do feel like a little like that

Lebron came to them, they didnt came to him to team up

They are trying to get established not fall under the Lebron lackey umbrella

Lebron will win them over eventually with some "Panthro' like deeds
 
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JPZx said:
That sounds like **** people were saying in 2011. Problem is we can't ignore 2012-2014, I'm sorry. We just can't.
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the thing is He had another superstar player who had also won a championship on his own and a few great veteran role players.... this team has to be taught to win, this is a position Lebron ain't ever been in & it's gonna take him time to adjust if at all.


The mindset of a Bosh/ Wade, tired of losing and already being multiple time All stars is a million times different from young players trying to further develop there game & name. that's the hit your going to take with Lebron on your team (Check how people dismiss Wade talent). When your winning it's because Lebron is improving your game, when your losing it's because you aren't playing well enough.

That's easy to take when you already won a ring & finals MVP..... but when your a one time All Star with NO success as far as teams go, your not gonna be as comfortable taking the back seat.
 
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Irving and Waiters probably do feel like a little like that

Lebron came to them, they didnt came to him to team up

They are trying to get established not fall under the Lebron lackey umbrella

Lebron will win them over eventually with some "Panthro' like deeds
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True but The Cavs would never make the playoffs without Lebron.
So whats better? Be stars that dont give a damn and not go to the playoffs every year, or suck up your pride and become a team player for a chance at the title?
The way I see it Kyrie, Kevin and Dion better start doing what Lebae tells em to, otherwise its gonna be ugly
 
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the thing is He had another superstar player who had also won a championship on his own and a few great veteran role players.... this team has to be taught to win, this is a position Lebron ain't ever been in & it's gonna take him time to adjust if at all.


The mindset of a Bosh/ Wade, tired of losing and already being multiple time All stars is a million times different from young players trying to further develop there game & name. that's the hit your going to take with Lebron on your team (Check how people dismiss Wade talent). When your winning it's because Lebron is improving your game, when your losing it's because you aren't playing well enough.

That's easy to take when you already won a ring & finals MVP..... but when your a one time All Star with NO success as far as teams go, your not gonna be as comfortable taking the back seat.
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You lost when you displayed your expertise of "mindsets".
 
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That sounds like **** people were saying in 2011. Problem is we can't ignore 2012-2014, I'm sorry. We just can't.
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People are reeaally overreacting, but these two are not the same teams... at all.

doesn't mean that they are not going to get better, but comparing the two teams in development is borderline pointless

Finding restitution for their superstar identities is pointless, this is a team sport and their roles on their new team is all that matters now

Don't know why anyone would compare them to the Heat, whether it works out or not is probable NOT inevitable
 
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tyisny said:
the thing is He had another superstar player who had also won a championship on his own and a few great veteran role players.... this team has to be taught to win, this is a position Lebron ain't ever been in & it's gonna take him time to adjust if at all.


The mindset of a Bosh/ Wade, tired of losing and already being multiple time All stars is a million times different from young players trying to further develop there game & name. that's the hit your going to take with Lebron on your team (Check how people dismiss Wade talent). When your winning it's because Lebron is improving your game, when your losing it's because you aren't playing well enough.

That's easy to take when you already won a ring & finals MVP..... but when your a one time All Star with NO success as far as teams go, your not gonna be as comfortable taking the back seat.
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You lost when you displayed your expertise of "mindsets".
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not as easily dismissible as you wanna make it. there's lots of validity in what he wrote

two veteran, experienced players vs two relatively wet behind the ears players (irving, waiters) - there's gonna be big difference in how their teamsmanship is gonna play out and how they interact with lebron
 
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You lost when you displayed your expertise of "mindsets".
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Was it an unreasonable assessment to say that Kyrie Irving in his 4th year isn't in the same place in his career that d-wade was when he joined with Lebron? Or did you just X it out because it makes sense and it pisses you off to realize that roles & player agendas play a huge part in a teams success.
 
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