The MMA Thread: DON'T ASK 4 STREAMS & NO GIFS- Cannonier, Imavov, Reyes, Rosas on NOW

[spiderjericho]

He did a watch party with Jake Paul?

 

[steevoo1]

This just highlights that, in my view, the UFC is far ahead of the PFL in terms of development and quality.

But I'm sure that's stating the obvious!

True, but Francis is still world class. In a division as dreaded as heavyweight in the UFC Renan would still be a back end top 10-15 fighter there.

 

[spiderjericho]

Renan is such a freak that I DO think he can compete in the UFC. I just don’t see him winning a title with that hole. We saw it with Stipe/Francis 1, Francis/Gane, Jones/Gane, etc.

Tom would definitely exploit it. Jon too.

 

[Davey Magoo]

Cyborg dominated the woman who pretty much dominated Kayla Harrison.

Amazes me that so many fans don’t think she’s even in the women’s mma goat discussion.

 

[Davey Magoo]

He did a watch party with Jake Paul?

Of course he did.

Helwani has always been an attention-seeking c**1.

 

[spiderjericho]

Cyborg dominated the woman who pretty much dominated Kayla Harrison.

Amazes me that so many fans don’t think she’s even in the women’s mma goat discussion.

Lest we forget, Kayla beat Pacheco 2X.

But hey don’t let facts get in the way of your hot take.

I do admit Pacheco is a lot better on the feet than Kayla. Larissa has effectively reached her ceiling by losing to Cyborg. Kayla’s ceiling is possibly UFC Champion. Two organization champions.

Cyborg is getting old. She couldn’t apply her berserker striking tactics against a young bull like Larissa and had to use wrestling. I wasn’t a huge fan of the fight but props to Cyborg.

Still got her #3 or #4 on the women’s P4P GOAT list.

Of course he did.

Helwani has always been an attention-seeking c**1.

That’s cool that his platform is huge enough that he can have Jake Paul on his watch along. That’s crazy. Huge.

 

[Zainjal26]

Yoooo wtf was that ref doing. Renan was knocked out already.

******* happy as hell for him man. Could not imagine what he's been going through.

MMA Francis still the best HW in the world

You have a missed call from Dana white

 

[boxer15]

Glad Francis brutally KOed the clown. Homeboy said “I know Francis had a rough year but I am going to make it worse.” All that after Francis announced the death of his son.

Fraud check has been cashed and cleared.

 

[steevoo1]

You have a missed call from Dana white

I think he's still in a locked room with Jon Jones.

 

[Davey Magoo]

Lest we forget, Kayla beat Pacheco 2X.

But hey don’t let facts get in the way of your hot take.

I do admit Pacheco is a lot better on the feet than Kayla. Larissa has effectively reached her ceiling by losing to Cyborg. Kayla’s ceiling is possibly UFC Champion. Two organization champions.

Cyborg is getting old. She couldn’t apply her berserker striking tactics against a young bull like Larissa and had to use wrestling. I wasn’t a huge fan of the fight but props to Cyborg.

Still got her #3 or #4 on the women’s P4P GOAT list.

That’s cool that his platform is huge enough that he can have Jake Paul on his watch along. That’s crazy. Huge.

The losses to Kayla were both in 2019.

The most recent fight matters more imo.

 

[steevoo1]

Cyborg dominated the woman who pretty much dominated Kayla Harrison.

Amazes me that so many fans don’t think she’s even in the women’s mma goat discussion.

While I don't have her as #1 personally, she's definitely in the conversation and at worst #2.

Cats don't realize how hard it is to have the longevity that she's had. Only the all timers do that.

 

[spiderjericho]

I still got Valentina over her. Valentina fought higher skilled opponents. Valentina if she didn’t keep chasing the 125 rematch (out of honor), she could’ve moved up and became a two division champion.

Cyborg fights in the heavyweight of women’s MMA. The fighters there aren’t highly skilled compared to say 115/125./135. She was always bigger than her opponents. And she um might have had some help. She has some names Gina Carano, Cat Zigano, Larissa Pacheco, Holly Holm, and Marloes Coenen. Cat and Holly moved up to FW. They weren’t fighting at their natural division.

I got:

Amanda
Valentina
Cyborg
JJ (but I think JJ fought more skilled opponents than Cyborg but Cyborg been fighting for a minute).

 

[boxer15]

Shoutout to Michelle for proving he is featured prelim material at best.

 

[spiderjericho]

Fluffy is a terror. Want to see him against higher ranked opponents.

 

[steevoo1]

I still got Valentina over her. Valentina fought higher skilled opponents. Valentina if she didn’t keep chasing the 125 rematch (out of honor), she could’ve moved up and became a two division champion.

Cyborg fights in the heavyweight of women’s MMA. The fighters there aren’t highly skilled compared to say 115/125./135. She was always bigger than her opponents. And she um might have had some help. She has some names Gina Carano, Cat Zigano, Larissa Pacheco, Holly Holm, and Marloes Coenen. Cat and Holly moved up to FW. They weren’t fighting at their natural division.

I got:

Amanda
Valentina
Cyborg
JJ (but I think JJ fought more skilled opponents than Cyborg but Cyborg been fighting for a minute).

Revisionist history man. FLW was not a skilled division when it first got made. The 1st champ was Nicco Montano when they first made the division. 125 didn't get good until just recently. Taila Santos was probably the 1st skilled true FLW she fought and she would've lost that if the clash of heads didn't close Santos eye up.

You should really look back at Valentinas career. Mediocre at BW, gets her real weight class made and her most notable wins are weight bullying the 115ers who had no business fighting at 125.

Valentina is still a top 3-4 all time but the tepid decisions, splittys, and L's in between makes it hard to put her above the other 2 women.

 

[spiderjericho]

Valentina never popped for PEDs. She’s beaten Holms and Pena at 135. Both former champs. She beat JJ and Jessica Eye. I do agree there was a period where FW was super shallow. But at the Santos fight, comp started to get tougher. She is the current champ of a division with legitimate competition (Rose, Blanchfield, Fior, Grasso, etc). She can also move up to BW.

Her only losses were to Amanda and Alexa. One of the fights to Amanda and Alexa were split ties that folks thought Valentina won (the second Nunes and Grasso fights).

Now I understand where you take the stance that Cyborg was dominant during her run (besides some stinkers and loss to Amanda’s). But the reason why the UFC originally signed her was to have her cut weight to make BW. She couldn’t. Meanwhile..,Kayla can. And Kayla fought at 155 in PFL. And 145 isn’t a deep division in any MMA promotion. I do think she’s an all time great. But her run/competition isn’t going to age very well when you have folks like Rose, Weill, JJ, etc fighting tough competition.

 

[Cashflow]

 

[spiderjericho]

Hope that $1-$2 Mill was worth that level of CTE!!

 

[jayt1202]

That Francis KO was brutal! Not sure who he possibly fights next unless PFL grabs some UFC free agent who isn't all the way washed.

 

[spiderjericho]

They have options:

Nemkov (no point in him beating Corey Anderson again).

Bader

Or the winner of the PFL HW Season.

I think Francis only has one more fight on his contract. Long term, he made the right move despite the tall boxing challenges.

 

[jayt1202]

Nemkov would be a worthy option, even though he seems undersized for HW. Guess they could market it as a super fight of sorts.

Bader... yea no, guy got crushed by Ferreira and he's also 41.

Winner of PFL HW tournament also isn't bad though both guys have little name value.

 

[spiderjericho]

That’s their problem and why they’re going to liquidation/bankruptcy.

They “PFL” haven’t done a great job of marketing themselves as an upstart and exiting MMA competitor to the UFC. They keep doing these seasons…but they have no stakes and aren’t the fights the fans want.

We should be tuning into either marquee fights or seeing their stars thrive.

Pacheco
Cyborg
Dokota (sp)

Usman (without coach cam)
Nemkov
Francis
Huges
Stotts
Mix
Pitbulls

The season ish is wack. Either they’re going to be life support providing streaming content. Or they’re going to try to make a run at UFC.

What’s the point of the Shields and Paul? They haven’t done anything with it.

They could also throw a bag at Deontay to come over and get a L.

 

[spiderjericho]

 

[spiderjericho]

 

[spiderjericho]

Obviously this doesn’t include his trip to LW w Porier.