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They announced a while ago that they were going to be adapting the Hiden novels, which show what various characters got up to in the first few months/years after the 4th Ninja War into anime as well.
The Official Anime & Manga Thread Vol: 三
They announced a while ago that they were going to be adapting the Hiden novels, which show what various characters got up to in the first few months/years after the 4th Ninja War into anime as well.
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Started Drifters & it's definately LIT so far.
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So NOBODY is watching Tiger Mask W?
Tiger Mask W anime | Watch Tiger Mask W anime online in high quality http://kissanime.to/Anime/Tiger-Mask-W
Two young wrestlers face each other in a recently revived underground wrestling organization, the Tiger's Lair, which destroyed the wrestling dojo they grew up in. One took over the training facilities of Naoto Date at the foot of Mount Fuji, as well as the mask he left behind. The other dared to enter the Tiger's Lair and won a fierce competition, receiving a jet-black tiger mask. One tiger walks the path of light, while the other walks the path of shadows. Neither one knows the other's face. On the ring, they are natural enemies, but they have the same purpose—destroy the Tiger's Lair!
Tiger Mask W anime | Watch Tiger Mask W anime online in high quality http://kissanime.to/Anime/Tiger-Mask-W
Two young wrestlers face each other in a recently revived underground wrestling organization, the Tiger's Lair, which destroyed the wrestling dojo they grew up in. One took over the training facilities of Naoto Date at the foot of Mount Fuji, as well as the mask he left behind. The other dared to enter the Tiger's Lair and won a fierce competition, receiving a jet-black tiger mask. One tiger walks the path of light, while the other walks the path of shadows. Neither one knows the other's face. On the ring, they are natural enemies, but they have the same purpose—destroy the Tiger's Lair!
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ill look into it this week. been meaning to check it out since you first mentioned it.
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Thierry Henry
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GSD is just a continuation of the previous series, but with a ZAFT soldier's POV.
Opening
Alright then, lets get down to business (To defeat, the Huns. *Don't lie, you sang it in your head). Took me an extra week to finish this series, but that's what happens when you go a few days without wi-fi. Gundam Seed originally premiered in 2002 and over the years i've definitely trashed it enough times. But that's why it's always a good idea to go back and revisit something, whether it be a show, a game, or a book, in order to see if it really is as good or as bad as you remember. Nostalgia can be one hell of a thing after all. I was afraid of that with both Gundam Wing and G Gundam, that they wouldn't hold up to my childhood memories, but thankfully they did. After watching Gundam Seed again over 10 years later (Yikes), I can easily say that, while i'm sure I truly believed it was terrible when I first watched it, it is far better than I ever gave it credit for. Perhaps it's just being older and able to understand the show better or being able to pay more attention to certain things, or maybe even changing tastes, I really don't know. But I enjoyed this viewing of the show. Is it my favorite Gundam series? Hell no and i'd still need a detailed essay from anyone that said it was there's, of at least 5 pages (Side Note: Same goes for anyone that thinks Inuyasha is better than Yu Yu Hakusho. It's not, fight me if you disagree and get these hands). It's good though and let's get into why.
Characters
One thing I have to say for this series is that, as a whole, the cast is excellent. I was actually surprised by just how many of the main characters I ended up liking. Kira, Athrun, Cagalli, Captain Ramius, Mu La Flaga, Natarle Badgiruel, Rau Le Creuset, Yzak, Dearka, etc. This series is 50 episodes long and uses that to the fullest to flesh out almost every main character. One thing that I noticed is that a good number of the characters that appear at the story's start end up making it through to the very end, even if they end up dying in the last few episodes. This is different from a lot of series where you'll have a character play a role for an arc and then even if he lives he'll be pushed to the background afterwards. That doesn't happen here and it's primarily because of how the story is written, but more of that in the next section.
Kira Yamato, main character, isn't as bad as I remembered and I think what really killed him for me as a kid is the fact that he tends to cry a lot, which generally isn't something I want to see from my main characters on a regular basis. But put that aside and this is your typical kid who has a massive amount of responsibility placed on him, who has to deal with fighting against his own people basically, and really is trapped by the fact that due to his status as a Coordinator there are people he cares about on both sides of this conflict. He therefore HAS to fight in order to protect one side, but that naturally brings him into conflict with the other. The war going on is so far above his paygrade that he can't help but be caught up in it, having no control over anything that happens around him. The emotional moments in the series really hit the mark with this kid, his feelings of responsibility, his sorrow at being unable to save people, his vulnerability to Flay's manipulations, his growing coldness as he experiences more and more of war. His character development from naive newcomer to hardened soldier, to idealistic savior, is a good one. At the same time, he lacks the...charisma or that wow factor that other protagonists in this franchise has in my opinion. He's a good character, but not necessarily a great character. It's the writing, plot, and other characters that really builds the series up to be as good as it is. And being a Coordinator he's basically a born winner, with the ability to excel at everything in ways normal humans can't. This could have easily led to him being dislikable, as someone who never has any problems, but the situation's he's placed in avoid that and the immense amount of racism towards Coordinators makes it so that even having all of his talent still kind of sucks. He's kind of got a Superman thing going on, where he has these great abilities, but really just wants to be normal in a lot of ways. Throughout the series you'd be forgiven for wondering just why he's so special, why he's able to compete with and surpass other Coordinators, but of course it's revealed that he was meant to be the "Ultimate Coordinator". This idea of an ultimate type of being is nothing new in Gundam and they really don't do much with it, except to give our main character even more to angst about. It does explain, perhaps, why he's able to take on other Coordinators with more training and experience with him though.
If you mention Kira you have to mention Athrun. What's unique about this series is that their two storylines really take place side by side. I'm fairly certain that in almost every episode you get competing amounts of screen time for both of them. It's not like Naruto, where at some points you almost think Sasuke could be the main character because of all the attention he's getting, but Athrun's story is being told every step of the way with Kira's, and is really just as crucial to the series as Kira's is. I definitely like Athrun better as a character, even though Kira develops more. Having received the training to be a soldier beforehand, Athrun's a professional. He knows all about the military, the chain of command, ground and space combat, etc. And he serves as a constant reminder that, no matter what happens, Coordinators on the side of Zaft aren't evil by default. He serves as a good counter to Kira and they both play off of one another really well, starting miles apart, but slowly moving closer in ideology. In some ways Athrun's story is better than Kira's. He never doubts his place in things. He fully believes in and supports Zaft and Coordinators from the jump, whereas Kira starts off neutral and never really moves beyond that. He fights against Zaft, but he never trusts the Earth Alliance. Athrun therefore has to actually experience the realization that Zaft isn't necessarily the Big Good in the universe, that his father is a bastard, and that what he's been fighting for is wrong.
Similar to Rain over in G Gundam, Lacus is something of a let down as far as female characters go. She certainly doesn't revolve around the men in her life or anything, but outside of the pink hair I just really didn't find her to be that memorable. She's smart and has some strong opinion on things, but really keeps this facade going of being some innocent, ditzy girl for a good portion of the show. And while I think it's always clear there's more to her, it still annoyed me. Like one minute she's acting like some girl and the next she's trying to come through with some philosophical thought about the nature of humans and war, then she'll go right back to the innocent act again. It would probably work for me in a different series or genre, but I couldn't stand it here. Also, she seemingly organizes a rebellion out of thin air. I get that she was always a famous figure in her society, but you don't even see the organization of the rebellion. It's just suddenly, she's letting Kira take the Gundam Freedom, and then she has all these people working for her out of nowhere. Flay, her rival for Kira's affection I guess, is wasted in this series. Not to say that she's necessarily a better character than Lacus, I just mean that she good have done so much more, either for the good or the bad guys. Really they're another pair that counter one another. Lacus at least goes out of her way to get involved in the events and proves to be a powerful force in the series if nothing else. Flay is always reacting to things that happen around her and is little more than a bystander. This actually doesn't make any sense, because she's officially a soldier at one point. Yet she NEVER does a single thing on the Archangel. This blows my mind. Everyone else gets a role or takes on a role, except for her. It doesn't even matter whether she wants to or not, because she's, again, a soldier. Why is she not receiving orders just like the rest of the crew? It's like the older officers just forgot and I really think this hurts the story. Flay could have been a better character (Still a terrible person of course). Cagalli at least stands out here. I kind of think she's like a less refined version of Lacus, who never tries to hide who she is. She's get a bit of a tomboy thing going on, with a few people being surprised she's a girl at points (Despite her clearly feminine voice). She wants to fight alongside everyone else, actually does fight alongside everyone else, both in and outside a mobile suit. Unlike Lacus, she actually develops her leadership and commanding abilities over time. People seem to follow Lacus because she's famous, whereas I can see them following Cagalli not only because she's the Princess of Orb, but because she actually fights alongside soldiers, learns about different conflicts, and generally earns people's respect.
When it comes to females in this series though, all 3 of the above characters really don't matter in the face of Captain Ramius and Captain Badgiruel. Bruh, their relationship is ******* amazing. Now that I think about it, you have a lot of characters you can compare to one another in this series. Kira/Athrun, Lacus/Flay/Cagalli, Ramius/Badgiruel. This last one is easily my favorite. You've basically got a responsible authority figure who is forced into the position of Captain placed against the consumate professional. Realistically, Badgiruel would probably make the better Captain and both are clearly aware of this. They fight and challenge each other on a regular basis, arguing over the rightness of certain actions, yet a trust and respect really builds up there over the course of the series. Some of the best moments were just when the two of them were having a heated discussion over something and seeing the resentment between them build up as the series went on. At the same time, you never think one or the other is really in the wrong. You can understand the points of both. One of their final encounters, when Ramius admits her faults, thanking Badgiruel for all her help despite her differences, is so great because of everything that's happened between them beforehand and the fact the final fight see's them facing off one last time, this time from the same command position, but on different ships, is excellent. And let me not forget Mu La Flaga, easily one of the best supporting characters in this franchise. Technically in fact, he's ranked higher than both of the above women, but doesn't take the command position, because he's more suited to the battlefield. He knows his strength and focuses on it. I respect that. He's pragmatic, but grounded. He can tell Kira that he needs to stop whining and toughen up, while also being sympathetic to the kid's situation. And he's got his own blooming romance and his own rivalry to deal with. Though he's a kind of big brother/mentor to Kira, his life doesn't revolve around Kira's and really that's where this series excels. Again, I don't think Kira's great. Athrun is better, but also not amazing. Lacus and Flay aren't even good. But despite it all, this series handles the relationships between all of these characters on another level that you don't see in this franchise that often. So you can have Kira and Athrun, two good characters, give you a great relationship/dynamic. The sum really is better than the individual parts in this case.
Plot
So, however many years ago people discovered the ability to engineer humans and alter their genetics, gaining the ability to control traits that humans would possess, giving rise to Coordinators. These new beings are typically smarter, stronger, and faster than humans, also being able to heal at an accelerated rate and even immune to various illnesses. Of course a lot of humans weren't comfortable with and therefore decided to fight back against the new trend, killing various Coordinators and eventually leading the new humans to leave for space, where the main conflict continues between Coordinators in Zaft and the regular humans of the Earth Alliance. Obviously, this is nothing new in this franchise. We've seen this type of thing time and again, but I still never get tired of seeing the theme of racism tackled. I think a number of people would probably be turned off by how similar this series is to others that came before it, but that's not really a big deal for me. It's noticeable of course, but i'm cool with it.
Let me say one thing I noticed this time around that is terrible. Out of a series of 50 episodes, 5 episodes are recap episodes. These include episodes 14, 15, 26, 27, and 33. What the hell? Why would you ever need 2 recap episodes back to back? Having a different character go after past events doesn't somehow change those events. I've never seen anything like this in my life and it's already bad enough, because they reuse a good number of scenes anyways. 10% of your series just shouldn't be recap, plain and simple. You know what those episodes could have been used on? Expanding on certain characters like Flay or, more importantly, Mu La Flaga's father. Dude is long dead by the time the series starts, but is actually pivotal to the events, because Le Creuset is his clone, whose issues about wanting to kill everyone stems from Mu's father. Yet, Mu's father receives barely any mention in the series until like the last 5 episodes. That was a mistake, throwing him into the mix at the eleventh hour and it's really a shame, because Le Creuset is still a good character with an interesting plan.
I said before that characters that appear at the beginning stick around until the very end and this goes for the majority of heroes and villains as far as the main cast goes, leading to nearly everyone receiving development, which benefits the conflict as a whole. Humans on Earth think of Coordinators in Zaft as genetic monstrosities that shouldn't exist. Coordinators in turn argue that the humans look down on them, despite their superior abilities. Both sides have similar gripes against the other, which really just involve the idea that neither is able to see the other as anything other than different from themselves. Modified genetics or not, they're all still humans, who want to live in peace, but they don't believe it's possible. The cycle of revenge plays a huge role in the plot, with people on both sides taking part in terrible actions and killing one another, which leads to allies and friends suffering immenses grief, but fighting back all the harder. And for the soldiers at the bottom and on the front lines, they're equally justified in fighting. It's just their commanders who are out of line. Similar to After War Gundam X, this leads to the third party involved being the one in the right. First it's the neutral nation of Orb, but it eventually falls to the crew of the Archangel to take this position. The ship basically becomes a melting pot, holding people from the Earth Alliance, Orb, and Zaft, humans and Coordinators alike. They then have to fight against both sides at the end to find some kind of peace. And you know what? At the end of the story they really haven't managed to do it. They've stopped the final battle, the leaders of both sides are dead, but the question of what will happen now hangs in the air. This is a series where a sequel was absolutely necessary if you wanted to properly end the story.
For this series though, the buildup of Le Creuset's plan to kill everyone also reminds me of the Frost Brothers in After War. He's just such a better villain than either of them were, actually having the presence to pull off the role of a major villain properly. Despite being The Char of the series, he and Kira aren't rivals. They barely even interact in fact. He's the rival of Mu, which makes sense since he's the clone of Mu's father and all. So even while there are similarities between this series and others there are key differences here and there that change things. And the final ten episodes are amazing. The series kind of lags a little once the Archangel gets to Earth, but when they return to space and engage in the final three-way battle with Zaft and the Earth Alliance I was on the edge of my seat the entire time.
Designs
Just like with After War Gundam X, I was really impressed with the first Gundam our main character used, but not to the point that I liked it better than his second one this time around. The thing about it is, the Strike isn't even all that amazing. Rather, I like it because of its armaments. It has a number of extra attachments that it can use for different types of combat and that was something interesting about this series. The Gundams by themselves were powerful, but they were always being fitted with new gear to help their performance or to give them more firepower. The Strike Gundam had the typical beam sabre and a rifle, but it also has an actual beam boomeraing, the large *** sword pictured in the gif above, which is actually used to take on ships, gatling guns, combat knives, boosters, etc. Pictured above in fact is what is technically known as the "Sword Strike Gundam". Mode changes of course are nothing new, but I just happened to like the mode changes in this series more than I did in others, such as AGE. With the latter, I never felt that some of the modes really got to shine or show their full potential. Because you have the Strike appearing in so many episodes here each mode gets to show off its stuff.
Then we've got the new guy, the Gundam Freedom. Physically, it looks cooler than the Strike and as you can see has way more firepower, which only increases during the final battle when it gets a few new attachments. For example, it gets a laser sword that allows it to cut a battleship in half. The Strike is a suit that can defeat a couple of opponents at a time, the Freedom can defeat waves of opponents at a time. Like the Freedom seems like the suit that could turn the course of a battle by itself. I mean, just look at the above gif and try to tell me that's not cool. Those are like 6 different weapons that are all a part of is STANDARD armaments. Don't get me wrong though, I still like the Strike's weapons too, but it can't carry as many at once.
There are also way more Gundams in this series than I remember. Just like Kira, Athrun uses 2 models, but his comrades each has his own Gundam as well (adding 3 more to the mix). Then the Earth Alliance develops another 3 models before the series end, with Le Creuset finally pulling yet another one out of who knows where for his final confrontation with Mu and Kira. Good stuff and i'll say that the development team did a great job when it came to giving most of them unique abilities. Athrun's can transform, Kira's has its different fighting modes, another can turn invisible, yet another is focused on long range combat, etc.
Conclusion
But, that's it for Gundam Seed. Hated it the first time around, liked it the second, and as with Wing and G i'm glad that I took this chance to watch it again and reevaluate my opinion on it. Next week, starting tomorrow in fact, is Gundam Seed Destiny. This is another series i've never seen before, so i'm interested to see how it is, especially this new main character.So, how is Gundam Seed when it's all said and done and how does it stack up to other entries in the franchise? I think it's similar to After War Gundam X, again, in this regard. Good, but not amazing. In fact, I kept debating with myself as I watched this again whether or not I liked it more than X. It's better in some ways and worse in others. The animation for one, is top notch. That's the one thing about this series i've always loved, being smooth and fluent. The soundtrack is also just as good. The character development and relationships in this series are all handled well, some of them being the best this franchise has given us. However, the fighting in this series was mostly just ok. It very rarely gave me that next level sense of aw that various past duels between pilots have. Athrun and Kira's final duel is one of the most emotionally charged moments in the series, but the duel itself still wasn't all that great and that really goes for fighting as a whole here. There are good moments, because the writing that builds up to them gives you anticipation, but the action itself, characters fighting back and forth, rarely ever wows you. This isn't to say it's bad, but there's nothing here on the level of Hero and Zechs dueling one last time on as the area around them explodes and they race to escape. Mu and Le Creuset are both great characters, with a great rivalry, but their fights are forgettable and the action is easily one of the weakest areas in the series. But, it's countered by good character development and relationships, good animation, good music, an intriguing plot that escalates as time goes on, and really can keep you entertained throughout its run. As I mentioned previously, there's a bit of a lag around halfway through and there are far too many recap episodes, but you can charge through it without too much issue. The recaps especially can just be skipped altogether. Though I like the Freedom more than the Strike, Kira probably used more tactics in the Strike than he did the Freedom, because of less firepower at his disposal. The series as a whole also gives you very clear reasons as to why the conflict is taking place, shows both sides as being flawed, while still not managing to get too preachy about any of it. So, in general, this series isn't bad. It's good, maybe even very good. But it's not amazing. It's not a Top 5 Gundam series in my opinion. Would I watch it again? Definitely, you wouldn't be wasting your time with this and i'll even say that this is actually a great series to give to someone to introduce them to the franchise, since it covers a lot of the highs that Gundam can offer, but there are just certain elements lacking here that keep it from moving further up in my ranking.
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GET OUT.
for what?
That **** ended up being more disappointing than erased.
All that wasted potential
Anyways, Udon no Kuni no Kiniro Kemari = diabetes.
Definitely the show to save until your having a bad day.
I don't know what Memphis is talking about. Kabaneri turned to garbage after like 3 episodes.
GET OUT.
for what?
That **** ended up being more disappointing than erased.
All that wasted potential
Anyways, Udon no Kuni no Kiniro Kemari = diabetes.
Definitely the show to save until your having a bad day.
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Tower of God
Ha Jinsung was cool this chapter. How old is he though, that other people in the Ha family don't recognize him?
His speech was especially good, where he actually refers to Baam as a God. It's interesting how the 2 factions in FUG view Baam, and I wonder where Grace Mischera stands? I assume on Baam's/Ha Jinsug's side since he gave Baam his name as a slayer candidate. Anyway, it seems Ha Jinsung is fine Baam climbing the tower with his friend and experiencing the atrocities of the 10 families for himself and believes that will willingly draw Baam to Fug, while Karaka just wants him gone. I wonder if he will speak to Baam before he leaves the station. If so, he'll probably flip when he finds out Baam plans to go to the floor of death.
Karaka is back. I wonder if that's a technique only he has, the ability to get the memories of the dead. If not, it was sloppy for Yuri and Evan to leave the body. Karaka vs Yuri will be interesting as both are powerful rising stars within the tower.
The princess battles going on are pretty interesting, especially with Maschenny, being involved. Her being from Ran's branch family means we'll probably see more Ran and then with Maria being involved, we'll probably see some interesting development for Koon since she's the one he helped become a princess over his own sister. Also, the bet for the 13 month series weapons should be interesting.
There's a lot of good stuff going on, and SIU definitely tightened up the writing more after the hell train felt a bit loose. Hopefully he came bring back a sense of despair and tension, maybe by making some people start failing or backstabbing or something.
His speech was especially good, where he actually refers to Baam as a God. It's interesting how the 2 factions in FUG view Baam, and I wonder where Grace Mischera stands? I assume on Baam's/Ha Jinsug's side since he gave Baam his name as a slayer candidate. Anyway, it seems Ha Jinsung is fine Baam climbing the tower with his friend and experiencing the atrocities of the 10 families for himself and believes that will willingly draw Baam to Fug, while Karaka just wants him gone. I wonder if he will speak to Baam before he leaves the station. If so, he'll probably flip when he finds out Baam plans to go to the floor of death.
Karaka is back. I wonder if that's a technique only he has, the ability to get the memories of the dead. If not, it was sloppy for Yuri and Evan to leave the body. Karaka vs Yuri will be interesting as both are powerful rising stars within the tower.
The princess battles going on are pretty interesting, especially with Maschenny, being involved. Her being from Ran's branch family means we'll probably see more Ran and then with Maria being involved, we'll probably see some interesting development for Koon since she's the one he helped become a princess over his own sister. Also, the bet for the 13 month series weapons should be interesting.
There's a lot of good stuff going on, and SIU definitely tightened up the writing more after the hell train felt a bit loose. Hopefully he came bring back a sense of despair and tension, maybe by making some people start failing or backstabbing or something.
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I don't know what Memphis is talking about. Kabaneri turned to garbage after like 3 episodes.
GET OUT.
for what?
That **** ended up being more disappointing than erased.
All that wasted potential
Anyways, Udon no Kuni no Kiniro Kemari = diabetes.
Definitely the show to save until your having a bad day.
RIGHT............
Chill Bill
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Hold up we calling Kabaneri trash?
Y'all need to STOP it!
Y'all need to STOP it!
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A little confused and easily manipulated 11 year old girl that can give can give da hands to modified zombies can only get you so far. For kaberneri it's not far enough to save it from da downfall that occurred once they shifted focus towards ol boy with daddy issues.
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GSD is just a continuation of the previous series, but with a ZAFT soldier's POV.
Opening
Alright then, lets get down to business (To defeat, the Huns. *Don't lie, you sang it in your head). Took me an extra week to finish this series, but that's what happens when you go a few days without wi-fi. Gundam Seed originally premiered in 2002 and over the years i've definitely trashed it enough times. But that's why it's always a good idea to go back and revisit something, whether it be a show, a game, or a book, in order to see if it really is as good or as bad as you remember. Nostalgia can be one hell of a thing after all. I was afraid of that with both Gundam Wing and G Gundam, that they wouldn't hold up to my childhood memories, but thankfully they did. After watching Gundam Seed again over 10 years later (Yikes), I can easily say that, while i'm sure I truly believed it was terrible when I first watched it, it is far better than I ever gave it credit for. Perhaps it's just being older and able to understand the show better or being able to pay more attention to certain things, or maybe even changing tastes, I really don't know. But I enjoyed this viewing of the show. Is it my favorite Gundam series? Hell no and i'd still need a detailed essay from anyone that said it was there's, of at least 5 pages (Side Note: Same goes for anyone that thinks Inuyasha is better than Yu Yu Hakusho. It's not, fight me if you disagree and get these hands). It's good though and let's get into why.
Characters
One thing I have to say for this series is that, as a whole, the cast is excellent. I was actually surprised by just how many of the main characters I ended up liking. Kira, Athrun, Cagalli, Captain Ramius, Mu La Flaga, Natarle Badgiruel, Rau Le Creuset, Yzak, Dearka, etc. This series is 50 episodes long and uses that to the fullest to flesh out almost every main character. One thing that I noticed is that a good number of the characters that appear at the story's start end up making it through to the very end, even if they end up dying in the last few episodes. This is different from a lot of series where you'll have a character play a role for an arc and then even if he lives he'll be pushed to the background afterwards. That doesn't happen here and it's primarily because of how the story is written, but more of that in the next section.
Kira Yamato, main character, isn't as bad as I remembered and I think what really killed him for me as a kid is the fact that he tends to cry a lot, which generally isn't something I want to see from my main characters on a regular basis. But put that aside and this is your typical kid who has a massive amount of responsibility placed on him, who has to deal with fighting against his own people basically, and really is trapped by the fact that due to his status as a Coordinator there are people he cares about on both sides of this conflict. He therefore HAS to fight in order to protect one side, but that naturally brings him into conflict with the other. The war going on is so far above his paygrade that he can't help but be caught up in it, having no control over anything that happens around him. The emotional moments in the series really hit the mark with this kid, his feelings of responsibility, his sorrow at being unable to save people, his vulnerability to Flay's manipulations, his growing coldness as he experiences more and more of war. His character development from naive newcomer to hardened soldier, to idealistic savior, is a good one. At the same time, he lacks the...charisma or that wow factor that other protagonists in this franchise has in my opinion. He's a good character, but not necessarily a great character. It's the writing, plot, and other characters that really builds the series up to be as good as it is. And being a Coordinator he's basically a born winner, with the ability to excel at everything in ways normal humans can't. This could have easily led to him being dislikable, as someone who never has any problems, but the situation's he's placed in avoid that and the immense amount of racism towards Coordinators makes it so that even having all of his talent still kind of sucks. He's kind of got a Superman thing going on, where he has these great abilities, but really just wants to be normal in a lot of ways. Throughout the series you'd be forgiven for wondering just why he's so special, why he's able to compete with and surpass other Coordinators, but of course it's revealed that he was meant to be the "Ultimate Coordinator". This idea of an ultimate type of being is nothing new in Gundam and they really don't do much with it, except to give our main character even more to angst about. It does explain, perhaps, why he's able to take on other Coordinators with more training and experience with him though.
If you mention Kira you have to mention Athrun. What's unique about this series is that their two storylines really take place side by side. I'm fairly certain that in almost every episode you get competing amounts of screen time for both of them. It's not like Naruto, where at some points you almost think Sasuke could be the main character because of all the attention he's getting, but Athrun's story is being told every step of the way with Kira's, and is really just as crucial to the series as Kira's is. I definitely like Athrun better as a character, even though Kira develops more. Having received the training to be a soldier beforehand, Athrun's a professional. He knows all about the military, the chain of command, ground and space combat, etc. And he serves as a constant reminder that, no matter what happens, Coordinators on the side of Zaft aren't evil by default. He serves as a good counter to Kira and they both play off of one another really well, starting miles apart, but slowly moving closer in ideology. In some ways Athrun's story is better than Kira's. He never doubts his place in things. He fully believes in and supports Zaft and Coordinators from the jump, whereas Kira starts off neutral and never really moves beyond that. He fights against Zaft, but he never trusts the Earth Alliance. Athrun therefore has to actually experience the realization that Zaft isn't necessarily the Big Good in the universe, that his father is a bastard, and that what he's been fighting for is wrong.
Similar to Rain over in G Gundam, Lacus is something of a let down as far as female characters go. She certainly doesn't revolve around the men in her life or anything, but outside of the pink hair I just really didn't find her to be that memorable. She's smart and has some strong opinion on things, but really keeps this facade going of being some innocent, ditzy girl for a good portion of the show. And while I think it's always clear there's more to her, it still annoyed me. Like one minute she's acting like some girl and the next she's trying to come through with some philosophical thought about the nature of humans and war, then she'll go right back to the innocent act again. It would probably work for me in a different series or genre, but I couldn't stand it here. Also, she seemingly organizes a rebellion out of thin air. I get that she was always a famous figure in her society, but you don't even see the organization of the rebellion. It's just suddenly, she's letting Kira take the Gundam Freedom, and then she has all these people working for her out of nowhere. Flay, her rival for Kira's affection I guess, is wasted in this series. Not to say that she's necessarily a better character than Lacus, I just mean that she good have done so much more, either for the good or the bad guys. Really they're another pair that counter one another. Lacus at least goes out of her way to get involved in the events and proves to be a powerful force in the series if nothing else. Flay is always reacting to things that happen around her and is little more than a bystander. This actually doesn't make any sense, because she's officially a soldier at one point. Yet she NEVER does a single thing on the Archangel. This blows my mind. Everyone else gets a role or takes on a role, except for her. It doesn't even matter whether she wants to or not, because she's, again, a soldier. Why is she not receiving orders just like the rest of the crew? It's like the older officers just forgot and I really think this hurts the story. Flay could have been a better character (Still a terrible person of course). Cagalli at least stands out here. I kind of think she's like a less refined version of Lacus, who never tries to hide who she is. She's get a bit of a tomboy thing going on, with a few people being surprised she's a girl at points (Despite her clearly feminine voice). She wants to fight alongside everyone else, actually does fight alongside everyone else, both in and outside a mobile suit. Unlike Lacus, she actually develops her leadership and commanding abilities over time. People seem to follow Lacus because she's famous, whereas I can see them following Cagalli not only because she's the Princess of Orb, but because she actually fights alongside soldiers, learns about different conflicts, and generally earns people's respect.
When it comes to females in this series though, all 3 of the above characters really don't matter in the face of Captain Ramius and Captain Badgiruel. Bruh, their relationship is ******* amazing. Now that I think about it, you have a lot of characters you can compare to one another in this series. Kira/Athrun, Lacus/Flay/Cagalli, Ramius/Badgiruel. This last one is easily my favorite. You've basically got a responsible authority figure who is forced into the position of Captain placed against the consumate professional. Realistically, Badgiruel would probably make the better Captain and both are clearly aware of this. They fight and challenge each other on a regular basis, arguing over the rightness of certain actions, yet a trust and respect really builds up there over the course of the series. Some of the best moments were just when the two of them were having a heated discussion over something and seeing the resentment between them build up as the series went on. At the same time, you never think one or the other is really in the wrong. You can understand the points of both. One of their final encounters, when Ramius admits her faults, thanking Badgiruel for all her help despite her differences, is so great because of everything that's happened between them beforehand and the fact the final fight see's them facing off one last time, this time from the same command position, but on different ships, is excellent. And let me not forget Mu La Flaga, easily one of the best supporting characters in this franchise. Technically in fact, he's ranked higher than both of the above women, but doesn't take the command position, because he's more suited to the battlefield. He knows his strength and focuses on it. I respect that. He's pragmatic, but grounded. He can tell Kira that he needs to stop whining and toughen up, while also being sympathetic to the kid's situation. And he's got his own blooming romance and his own rivalry to deal with. Though he's a kind of big brother/mentor to Kira, his life doesn't revolve around Kira's and really that's where this series excels. Again, I don't think Kira's great. Athrun is better, but also not amazing. Lacus and Flay aren't even good. But despite it all, this series handles the relationships between all of these characters on another level that you don't see in this franchise that often. So you can have Kira and Athrun, two good characters, give you a great relationship/dynamic. The sum really is better than the individual parts in this case.
Plot
So, however many years ago people discovered the ability to engineer humans and alter their genetics, gaining the ability to control traits that humans would possess, giving rise to Coordinators. These new beings are typically smarter, stronger, and faster than humans, also being able to heal at an accelerated rate and even immune to various illnesses. Of course a lot of humans weren't comfortable with and therefore decided to fight back against the new trend, killing various Coordinators and eventually leading the new humans to leave for space, where the main conflict continues between Coordinators in Zaft and the regular humans of the Earth Alliance. Obviously, this is nothing new in this franchise. We've seen this type of thing time and again, but I still never get tired of seeing the theme of racism tackled. I think a number of people would probably be turned off by how similar this series is to others that came before it, but that's not really a big deal for me. It's noticeable of course, but i'm cool with it.
Let me say one thing I noticed this time around that is terrible. Out of a series of 50 episodes, 5 episodes are recap episodes. These include episodes 14, 15, 26, 27, and 33. What the hell? Why would you ever need 2 recap episodes back to back? Having a different character go after past events doesn't somehow change those events. I've never seen anything like this in my life and it's already bad enough, because they reuse a good number of scenes anyways. 10% of your series just shouldn't be recap, plain and simple. You know what those episodes could have been used on? Expanding on certain characters like Flay or, more importantly, Mu La Flaga's father. Dude is long dead by the time the series starts, but is actually pivotal to the events, because Le Creuset is his clone, whose issues about wanting to kill everyone stems from Mu's father. Yet, Mu's father receives barely any mention in the series until like the last 5 episodes. That was a mistake, throwing him into the mix at the eleventh hour and it's really a shame, because Le Creuset is still a good character with an interesting plan.
I said before that characters that appear at the beginning stick around until the very end and this goes for the majority of heroes and villains as far as the main cast goes, leading to nearly everyone receiving development, which benefits the conflict as a whole. Humans on Earth think of Coordinators in Zaft as genetic monstrosities that shouldn't exist. Coordinators in turn argue that the humans look down on them, despite their superior abilities. Both sides have similar gripes against the other, which really just involve the idea that neither is able to see the other as anything other than different from themselves. Modified genetics or not, they're all still humans, who want to live in peace, but they don't believe it's possible. The cycle of revenge plays a huge role in the plot, with people on both sides taking part in terrible actions and killing one another, which leads to allies and friends suffering immenses grief, but fighting back all the harder. And for the soldiers at the bottom and on the front lines, they're equally justified in fighting. It's just their commanders who are out of line. Similar to After War Gundam X, this leads to the third party involved being the one in the right. First it's the neutral nation of Orb, but it eventually falls to the crew of the Archangel to take this position. The ship basically becomes a melting pot, holding people from the Earth Alliance, Orb, and Zaft, humans and Coordinators alike. They then have to fight against both sides at the end to find some kind of peace. And you know what? At the end of the story they really haven't managed to do it. They've stopped the final battle, the leaders of both sides are dead, but the question of what will happen now hangs in the air. This is a series where a sequel was absolutely necessary if you wanted to properly end the story.
For this series though, the buildup of Le Creuset's plan to kill everyone also reminds me of the Frost Brothers in After War. He's just such a better villain than either of them were, actually having the presence to pull off the role of a major villain properly. Despite being The Char of the series, he and Kira aren't rivals. They barely even interact in fact. He's the rival of Mu, which makes sense since he's the clone of Mu's father and all. So even while there are similarities between this series and others there are key differences here and there that change things. And the final ten episodes are amazing. The series kind of lags a little once the Archangel gets to Earth, but when they return to space and engage in the final three-way battle with Zaft and the Earth Alliance I was on the edge of my seat the entire time.
Designs
Just like with After War Gundam X, I was really impressed with the first Gundam our main character used, but not to the point that I liked it better than his second one this time around. The thing about it is, the Strike isn't even all that amazing. Rather, I like it because of its armaments. It has a number of extra attachments that it can use for different types of combat and that was something interesting about this series. The Gundams by themselves were powerful, but they were always being fitted with new gear to help their performance or to give them more firepower. The Strike Gundam had the typical beam sabre and a rifle, but it also has an actual beam boomeraing, the large *** sword pictured in the gif above, which is actually used to take on ships, gatling guns, combat knives, boosters, etc. Pictured above in fact is what is technically known as the "Sword Strike Gundam". Mode changes of course are nothing new, but I just happened to like the mode changes in this series more than I did in others, such as AGE. With the latter, I never felt that some of the modes really got to shine or show their full potential. Because you have the Strike appearing in so many episodes here each mode gets to show off its stuff.
Then we've got the new guy, the Gundam Freedom. Physically, it looks cooler than the Strike and as you can see has way more firepower, which only increases during the final battle when it gets a few new attachments. For example, it gets a laser sword that allows it to cut a battleship in half. The Strike is a suit that can defeat a couple of opponents at a time, the Freedom can defeat waves of opponents at a time. Like the Freedom seems like the suit that could turn the course of a battle by itself. I mean, just look at the above gif and try to tell me that's not cool. Those are like 6 different weapons that are all a part of is STANDARD armaments. Don't get me wrong though, I still like the Strike's weapons too, but it can't carry as many at once.
There are also way more Gundams in this series than I remember. Just like Kira, Athrun uses 2 models, but his comrades each has his own Gundam as well (adding 3 more to the mix). Then the Earth Alliance develops another 3 models before the series end, with Le Creuset finally pulling yet another one out of who knows where for his final confrontation with Mu and Kira. Good stuff and i'll say that the development team did a great job when it came to giving most of them unique abilities. Athrun's can transform, Kira's has its different fighting modes, another can turn invisible, yet another is focused on long range combat, etc.
Conclusion
But, that's it for Gundam Seed. Hated it the first time around, liked it the second, and as with Wing and G i'm glad that I took this chance to watch it again and reevaluate my opinion on it. Next week, starting tomorrow in fact, is Gundam Seed Destiny. This is another series i've never seen before, so i'm interested to see how it is, especially this new main character.So, how is Gundam Seed when it's all said and done and how does it stack up to other entries in the franchise? I think it's similar to After War Gundam X, again, in this regard. Good, but not amazing. In fact, I kept debating with myself as I watched this again whether or not I liked it more than X. It's better in some ways and worse in others. The animation for one, is top notch. That's the one thing about this series i've always loved, being smooth and fluent. The soundtrack is also just as good. The character development and relationships in this series are all handled well, some of them being the best this franchise has given us. However, the fighting in this series was mostly just ok. It very rarely gave me that next level sense of aw that various past duels between pilots have. Athrun and Kira's final duel is one of the most emotionally charged moments in the series, but the duel itself still wasn't all that great and that really goes for fighting as a whole here. There are good moments, because the writing that builds up to them gives you anticipation, but the action itself, characters fighting back and forth, rarely ever wows you. This isn't to say it's bad, but there's nothing here on the level of Hero and Zechs dueling one last time on as the area around them explodes and they race to escape. Mu and Le Creuset are both great characters, with a great rivalry, but their fights are forgettable and the action is easily one of the weakest areas in the series. But, it's countered by good character development and relationships, good animation, good music, an intriguing plot that escalates as time goes on, and really can keep you entertained throughout its run. As I mentioned previously, there's a bit of a lag around halfway through and there are far too many recap episodes, but you can charge through it without too much issue. The recaps especially can just be skipped altogether. Though I like the Freedom more than the Strike, Kira probably used more tactics in the Strike than he did the Freedom, because of less firepower at his disposal. The series as a whole also gives you very clear reasons as to why the conflict is taking place, shows both sides as being flawed, while still not managing to get too preachy about any of it. So, in general, this series isn't bad. It's good, maybe even very good. But it's not amazing. It's not a Top 5 Gundam series in my opinion. Would I watch it again? Definitely, you wouldn't be wasting your time with this and i'll even say that this is actually a great series to give to someone to introduce them to the franchise, since it covers a lot of the highs that Gundam can offer, but there are just certain elements lacking here that keep it from moving further up in my ranking.
Just finished it earlier today and that's not too far from the truth.
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They made Shinn just so he can job to Kira. There's just way too many pointless characters in that series
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Opening
So, Gundam Seed Destiny. Let me say that the most I knew about this going into it is snippets of information, or rather opinions, that i'd seen others post about over the years, which really just led me to believe that the series was terrible. I mean there are people who make this series out to be the worst show in Gundam history (And this fanbase has SD Gundam floating around out there smh). But you know what? Those people weren't too far off. It's not an amazing series by any means. Specifically, it's not as good as Seed is and Seed, in general, isn't the best series in this franchise as it is. However, while I can see why people aren't fond of it, I don't think this is a bad series overall. So, because i'm tired as hell from watching like 40 episodes in 2 days, let's get right into it.
Characters
The biggest weakness of this show is the characters in my opinion. Not a single new characters is as memorable as any of the older ones. Shin might be the one exception to this, due to his main character status, but because of the route his story arc takes i'm not even sure of that. Just like how Seed is similar to Mobile Suit Gundam, Destiny is similar to Zeta Gundam, but takes some of the things Zeta did up to 11. I was also really reminded of Digimon Adventure 02, with how so many old characters from the first series returned and became a central part of the plot. I have no problem with Kira, Athrun, Cagalli (Minus her being straight trash in this series), and the others, but I really do think that their presence hurt the ability of the new characters to shine. By the time the series is over only a small number have experienced the same, or similar, amount of character development that the characters in the original series did. And that's really a shame. I think part of it stems from the fact that the original characters are all assumed to be in the right for the majority of the plot, but then disappear for large pieces of the plot, and therefore don't even grow themselves. Kira at the end of the series is the exact same person he was at the start. Same goes for Lacus, and Ramius, and most of the others. Athrun, Cagalli, and Mu are the only standouts and that happens for various reasons. Athrun's suffering from the fallout of the last war, Cagalli's unsure of her positon in Orb (At least, that seemed to be what her deal was from what I gathered), and Mu, of course, has had his memory messed with. No surprise, they're the the only members of the old cast who are interesting to watch this time around, Athrun especially.
You know, I was reading some reviews and posts from years ago concerning this series and one thing I kept seeing is that KIra stole the show from Shin. This isn't necessarily false, but in all honesty, if Kira stole the show from anyone it was Shin AND Athrun. I say this because Athrun is a more consistent presence throughout this series than Kira is by far. Like there's not even a competition, like there was in Seed. Kira is nowhere to be seen for episodes at a time and doesn't really become a main presence again until episode 38 or 39 (Can't remember off the top of my head, but he gave some speech or monologue during one of those, after which you were following him a good deal again). In comparison, Athrun is there with Shin every step of the way. If there's a complaint here for me, it's that Kira really wasn't necessary at all and we could have just used Athrun. His character goes through the trials and development for it anyways, he's in the same places that Kira is during the final battle, and he even makes it into that room for the final confrontation with Durandal. You really only need Kira to take on Rey, a role that could have just as easily been fulfilled by Mu. Kira's piloting/coordinating ability, similar to Amuro's by the time we reach Char's Counterattack, is at its peak here. He mows enemies down like a farmer cutting wheat, but he doesn't have much to add to this series besides that piloting skill, which can be matched by Athrun anyways. I even think that the writers must have been aware of this to some extent, because Athrun doesn't originally appear in Durandal's throne room in episode 50, but in the special episode they released after the series was complete, to give fans a more satisfactory ending i'm sure, he does.
You'll notice i'm talking a lot about old characters and that's because the new guys, again, just aren't that great to me
xg: Shin brings something to the table, because he's the main character. I'll say that I was interested to see his descent from the guy who you think will end the conflict to a person who is supporting the conflict. Kept making jokes about it as I watched it, but son really does remind me of Anakin Skywalker/Darth Vader and Durandal is Emperor Palpatine! I don't care what anyone says xg: Son is even sitting in a weapon, with a freaking super laser, in his own throne rome during the final battle. If that isn't a reference to Return of the Jedi I don't know what is. This series gives you an interesting peak at the main character (Shin) from the view of other people, especially once we stop following him and switch over to the Freedom and its crew again. To him and the people of Zaft, he's the hero, the super ace that can do no wrong. But, because we've followed him, we know that deep down he's emotionally scarred and was like this before the war even started. Son is barely holding it together by the end and needs Rey and Durandal to tell him what he's doing is right like some kind of junkie xg: Besides removing Kira and having Athrun take over at the finale, I also wouldn't have minded had we seen Shin be redeemed around episode 40-45, and then he fights alongside the Freedom for the rest of the series. Not necessarily disappointed at the route his character took, but it could have been handled better. Beyond Shin though I really don't have anything else for you guys
xg: Rey isn't as interesting as Rau, none of the female characters in this series are as interesting as Ramius, Cagalli, or Badgiruel in the previous series. Oh! Meer. She was actually interesting and the episode after she died, which went over her diary, was great. I could probably write a paragraph on her alone, but I won't. She was good, but not that good. And it goes back to what I said earlier, no one in this series is a good as their counterpart in the original series to me.I struggled to keep my attention on things during the first 7-8 episodes of this series, which is the exact opposite of how I was with Seed. But in comparison, once things really get going i'm never really bored here. The plot definitely picks up after that and, also similar to Seed , the last 7-10 episodes are the best in the series. One thing I noticed though is that the action here is how one-sided the entire second war felt. In the original series, Zaft was pushing the Archangel and the Earth Aliance the entire time, but the Archangel was always holding its own. Conflicts then never felt as if one side was constantly beating the other. That isn't the case here. Shin and the Minerva basically stomp the Earth Alliance time and again, so it's not surprise that the Alliance ends up losing the war and the ringleaders who kicked it off all end up captured. This allows Durandal to take over of course, but it makes the conflict itself just ok. Could have been handled better. I will say that the nature of the war, specifically the fact that Earth intentionally initiated it against Zaft for bogus reasons, did make the series more interesting. Because it casts doubt onto what Kira and the Freedom are trying to do. Like, Zaft is in the right in this war, there's no arguing that. They were blamed for something everyone knew they didn't do, given ridiculous demands, and then had nukes launched at them immediately, with no warning. Yeah, there's no debating whose right or wrong this time around as far as armies go. It then becomes more about Durandal. With Rau dead and gone now and Mu (Roanoke) on the side of Earth, I guess they really did need to give Durandal a greater presence in this series to properly set him up for slowly taking over. And his plan, just like Palpatine's, for gaining power was great. Really, the Natural vs Coordinator debate feels like such a non-issue her for the most part. It's mentioned of course, but with Zaft not trying to destroy Earth or the Alliance, it's mostly on the part of Blue Cosmos/Logos (ergo the illuminati lol).
At the end of it all, the new plot was like the characters for me. Not necessarily bad, but not as good as the first one. Kind of felt like it was just happening to give Kira and Lacus a chance to talk about their ideals and crap, but I really didn't carexg: As a whole, the best part of it is probably how Durandal gains more power as time goes on and manipulates everyone around him. If not that, there's just seeing Athrun and Shin interact. Kira and the Freedom weren't great and Cagalli and Orb was terrible. Gundam, in general, is the type of franchise where an argument between people should feature both sides making a solid, compelling argument. Cagalli's time in Orb was full of her being talked down to, with her just taking it. When she returns now, in the Akatsuki Gundam, takes control back, and decks Yuna, THAT'S the Cagalli I loved from the first series. Up until then though she was terrible and she unfortunately stays behind on Earth, while everyone else goes into space to stop Durandal.
Again, not a bad plot, but not a great one either.
At the end of it all, the new plot was like the characters for me. Not necessarily bad, but not as good as the first one. Kind of felt like it was just happening to give Kira and Lacus a chance to talk about their ideals and crap, but I really didn't care
xg: As a whole, the best part of it is probably how Durandal gains more power as time goes on and manipulates everyone around him. If not that, there's just seeing Athrun and Shin interact. Kira and the Freedom weren't great and Cagalli and Orb was terrible. Gundam, in general, is the type of franchise where an argument between people should feature both sides making a solid, compelling argument. Cagalli's time in Orb was full of her being talked down to, with her just taking it. When she returns now, in the Akatsuki Gundam, takes control back, and decks Yuna, THAT'S the Cagalli I loved from the first series. Up until then though she was terrible and she unfortunately stays behind on Earth, while everyone else goes into space to stop Durandal.Again, not a bad plot, but not a great one either.
Sorry, but I didn't really care for any of the new Gundams or mobile suits. Can't believe they went ahead and pulled the Zaku out though
xg: Could barely believe my eyes. I guess you can't exactly steal from your own franchise though. The Freedom was still great though and the Strike Freedom was more of the same. I liked the Akatsuki to an extent, but realistically I know that i'd never want a golden Gundam like that. This might be the first franchise ever where I didn't care one way or the other for the suits the main character was using. Honestly, I didn't like the Impulse at all, from the first episode on. Never clicked with me, was boring to watch it fight. Might have something to do with the detachable design, which i've never been a fan of in any mecha series. Now the Destiny was straight, especially its the beam cannon in its palm, reminded me of the Shining and Burning Gundam with that. But it wasn't as cool as the Freedom. The writers here continued the trend of giving different Gundams different specialties. One can transform into an animal mode, another is good underwater, etc. But it still just didn't sell me, either on the designs or the fights. And the latter is one thing this series and Seed are just about neck and neck at. The action isn't great in either. Seed picked up on it in the last 10 episodes, but there was never anything on the level of some other classic Gundam fights. I feel the same about Destiny, except the action is slightly worse in the last 10 episodes in comparison to Seed. And I can't do anything about that. The tools are there for good fights, but the series hardly ever delivers. Only a few moments really stand out in my memory.Conclusion
That all being said, i'm sure it's no surprise that I consider Gundam Seed Destiny to be so okay, it's average. It's not terrible, but I can't tell you that i'd ever watch it again. The new characters aren't as good as the old ones, the plot isn't as interesting, the Gundams aren't as cool, and the action isn't as memorable (Though, again, Seed didn't have the greatest action either). They fixed the ending with the release of the special episode titled The Chosen Future, but the original ending was trash. One of the worst i've ever seen that didn't really conclude anything. I was blown away when episode 50 finished and I didn't instantly see another episode after it (Had to go to YouTube to find the real ending). I hope I never see an ending like that again. Yeah, Seed ended with everyone in space to, but you knew where everything stood and where everyone stood with each other. Destiny's 50th episode gives you the superweapon blowing up, none of the characters even getting back to the same place physically, and some vague scene with blown up robots in space :mellow: Damn near went blind from that foolishness. Bad conclusions are one thing, but no conclusions are some other kind of hell. But, that's it for this series as far as i'm concerned. It's definitely near the bottom of my Gundam ranking, because there are just so many other series that are so much beter, including its predecessor.
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Gundam 00 wasn't bad at all. I believe they had to "dumb it down" a third into the first season because the heavy political aspects were too much for the younger demographic. Didn't compromise the series at all imo. I watched the movie not too long ago and it was 'ok' but I'll let you watch it.
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That old lady
pere bout to lead the red storm?
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ODA MURKED DA GAME THIS WEEK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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No need for spoilers. No one but us reads itnoya destroyed that whole world and dude just rebuilt it
That old lady
pere bout to lead the red storm?
Noya got too excited and forgot about the coin, destroyed it too
Dude said Noya couldnt be human
I thought it was Pere at first. I'm happy to know that it wasn't him. Keep forgetting they all have different mothers.
But man it's crazy that Yulian decided to give Pere a chance to avoid civil war and it's not Pere who tries to kill him and take over
Bruh back on his old **** with the way the feels been hitting lately. Damn near let a thug tear loose
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that was a touching chapter of OP. Sanji's gotta be in so much pain right now, know that facade wasnt easy to carry out. the hunger strike is a nice show of faith between Luffy and Sanji, as he knows it would go against his beliefs to let someone knowingly starve and he knows how much cooking means to him
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Yuri on ice :x 
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Poor Sanji... 
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Shokugeki,one piece, and my hero academia
Back to back to back flames
The ending to my hero tho...
Back to back to back flames
The ending to my hero tho...
I need to start reading Manga again. I havent read prison school, my hero academia, world trigger in months. Time has flown by.
Like that was all in the few 3 episodes though. The show itself goes way down hillHold up we calling Kabaneri trash?
Y'all need to STOP it!
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