THE OFFICIAL GEORGETOWN BASKETBALL SEASON THREAD

nobody outside of local people had really seen him play (only played in one national AAU tournament..and did very well), and..he plays in a low level conference. Big fish in small pond type of kid. but all the tools are there. He's the type of kid that I like taking a shot on. Legit SF's that are 6'9 and  can shoot it usually don't turn into Benimon's or Wattad's.

I think III will politely let Jerrelle know where he stands in the program. (I believe this was done with Omar previously)

figure somebody has to go, and he's the most likely.

we're technically at 13 scholarships for next year, so everyone could stay. But with the staff on Ochefu/Anderson and others..the writing is on the wall.
 
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Chris is ready to go.
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diggin this quote...

John Thompson III: "[Wright] is not feeling any pain, so if someone pops him [on his left hand], I'm sure he'll pop them back." #Hoyas
 
well we got what the match up wanted. that game was tough to watch last night. almost as bad as our first Cincy meeting this year.

lets see if these guys show up.
 












[h1]Hoyas may have fooled selection committee -- or made me the fool[/h1]
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CHICAGO -- If this is a hoax, it's pretty darned elaborate. A couple more layers to this Chris Wright ruse, and it'll fool even me. Which was probably Georgetown's goal all along.

First the Hoyas announced on Saturday, the day before the selection committee finalized the 2011 bracket, that their injured point guard would play in the NCAA tournament. It was an empty promise, considering Wright had undergone surgery on a broken hand on Feb. 24, but it's what the Hoyas felt they had to do. They had lost their last four games before the tournament, all without Wright -- so they pulled a Syracuse, circa 2010, and announced that their injured starter would play.

The selection committee bought it -- just like the committee bought Syracuse's story on center Arinze Onuaku last year -- but not me. Nope, I was onto the Hoyas even before their announcement Saturday. It was me, on Thursday, who wondered aloud if Georgetown was unworthy of an NCAA bid without Wright, considering its 0-4 record in games since his injury. Not sure what the RPI would be for a Big East team with an 0-4 record, but it wouldn't be good. Seth Greenberg would whine about that team's NCAA tournament credentials. OK, faulty logic there. Seth Greenberg whines about everything.
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Georgetown's Chris Wright had surgery on his broken hand on Feb. 24.(US Presswire) 
Anyway, the selection committee bought it, but then the hoax kicked into high gear. Which makes no sense. Georgetown got its bid, even got a respectable No. 6 seed for a team that was obviously overmatched against NCAA tournament competition -- those four losses were by an average margin of 14.5 points -- without its point guard. No need to continue the ruse. Syracuse didn't last year, getting its No. 1 seed and then announcing that Onuaku wouldn't, as it turns out, be able to play on the tournament's first weekend. Oops. Honest mistake!
No such announcement this week from Georgetown. Just the opposite, in fact. Dispatches from campus on Monday indicated that Wright was back on the court, was playing well, even took a hit and landed on his surgically repaired hand and kept practicing. I didn't buy any of it. Skeptical? That's me. Smart, too. Way too smart to be fooled again. Syracuse burned all of us a year ago, but Georgetown won't get me this year. If Georgetown gets you, so be it. I can't go holding your hand.

So here we are on Thursday in Chicago, at the United Center, where Georgetown will play Virginia Commonwealth. The game is Friday, barely three weeks since Wright had surgery on his hand. Play? Impossible. Which is a shame, because Wright is the key to Georgetown's success. The Hoyas have an All-Big East player in sturdy scoring leader Austin Freeman (17.9 ppg), they shoot well (47.8 percent from the floor overall, 36 percent on 3-pointers) and outrebound opponents (plus-2.4 per game) and have a three-guard lineup that scores in bunches from behind the arc and on the foul line. It's a good recipe, but it falls flat without Wright. Does that make him the flour? Not sure. I'm not a chef.

Nor am I a doctor, but three weeks seems like an awfully quick recovery for a point guard with a hand so broken that it required surgery. So I wrote that skeptical item on Friday of last week, and then on Sunday I kind of wrote it again, after the Hoyas got their at-large bid.

No question, Wright is good enough to lie about. He's second on the Hoyas in scoring (13.1 ppg), tied for first in steals (1.5) and first by a large margin in assists (5.4). On the season, Wright has 70 more assists than turnovers. The rest of the team, combined, has 17 more turnovers than assists. That's losing basketball right there, which is why Chris Wright has been the difference between winning and losing for the Hoyas this season.

But the ruse continues. One of the most prominent sections of the Georgetown NCAA tournament game notes is devoted to Wright, and to his alleged return. "Wright cleared to play for NCAA Tournament," says the headline, and as far as corporate double-talk goes, that's good. That's very good. It's so good that I don't see whatever wiggle room the school's publicists and lawyers built into that headline. I guess we'll find out after the game, after we find out that Wright really wasn't cleared to play.

A lesser man, a weaker writer, would be shaken by all of this. But not me. Not even after the United Center press conferences on Thursday evening, when Georgetown coach John Thompson III said Wright would play. And when Georgetown teammate Austin Freeman said Wright would play. And when Wright himself said Wright would play. He said, "Two good days of practice here. Back home, two good days [there]. I'm going out there, playing my normal game. Nothing is restricted."

Scared? Not me. Because I knew the open practice was coming next, and when the Hoyas took the floor and Wright sat it out, vindication would be mine.

But then came the open practice. And there was Wright. On the court. Dribbling, shooting. Even making shots.

"He's healthy," Thompson said. "He's fine."

As far as ruses go, let me tell you, this is a good one. This is a complex piece of modern art compared to the paint-by-numbers kindergarten fraud perpetuated last season by Syracuse.

But the gig's up, Georgetown. Chris Wright isn't playing on Friday.

Unless he is. To which I say, in all sincerity: good. Apparently I was wrong when I speculated that he wouldn't play -- some have said I was wrong even to bring it up -- but I'm happy to be wrong. It would be a shame for Wright's teammates, his coach, his school if he couldn't play. Most of all it would be a shame for Wright to miss out on this moment.

Happy for you, Chris Wright. And for you, Hoyas.

What say you, Georgetown fans? Friends?
 
CHICAGO (AP) -- Georgetown point guard Chris Wright will be quite happy if he never sees a stair climber again.

Wright logged hours on the machine over the last three weeks, powerless to stop the Hoyas' four-game losing skid because of a broken left hand. He's back now, though, giving Georgetown hope the third part of its season will end better than the second part.

The sixth-seeded Hoyas (21-10) play 11th-seeded VCU, winner of one of the "First Four" games, in the second round of the NCAA tournament Friday night.

"Having him back in our lineup is really good," leading scorer Austin Freeman said Thursday. "Just to have his ability to penetrate, get to the basket, create his own shot and also be able to create shots for his teammates. It's going to be good to have that back in our lineup, and also have his voice back on court. He's one of our captains, one of our leaders."

After struggling early in the Big East season, Georgetown found its groove again with an eight-game winning streak that included victories at both Villanova and Syracuse. But with 15:54 left against Cincinnati on Feb. 23, Wright broke his non-shooting hand when he lost possession in the paint and committed a foul as he reached for the ball.

Wright had surgery the following day, and the Hoyas were optimistic they'd get him back for the NCAA tournament. But the senior is Georgetown's emotional leader, and the Hoyas were clearly befuddled without him. Georgetown averaged just 51.5 points in its last four games, all losses, and was embarrassed by both Cincinnati (22-point loss) and UConn (17 points).

Wright was averaging 13.1 points and 5.4 assists when he got hurt and leads the team with 41 steals. In the last three games before he broke his hand, he was averaging 21.7 points on 50 percent shooting.

"It was tough knowing you can help and you can provide leadership for your team, and it was tough to sit through that," Wright said. "I wasn't looking at it as, 'Gosh, I can't believe this is it for me.' I'm just trying to be there any way I could for my team."

While Wright tried to be a cheerleader, the best way he could help the Hoyas was to get back on the court as quickly as possible. Aside from all that time on the stair stepper -- "Probably harder than anything I've ever had to do. That's very hard. I don't want to do it anymore." -- he took dozens of one-handed jumpers and layups so he'd be relatively in shape once he was cleared to return to full-contact practice.

That came Monday.

"Nothing is restricted or anything. Just go out there and play," said Wright, who wasn't wearing any kind of brace or wrap on his left hand during Thursday afternoon's practice at the United Center and finished the session by swishing a half-court shot. "My teammates came up to me and said, 'You look fine; you played fine.' I wasn't favoring it or anything. So I feel good."

As thrilled as the Hoyas are to have Wright back, coach John Thompson III said they can't fool themselves and think his absence was the only problem in the late-season skid.

"Everyone has to do their job," he said. "It's not just, 'OK, you plop Chris into the equation so that means it's going to be smooth sailing.' It's not going to be that easy, especially against the opponent that we have."

VCU (24-11) was much maligned after getting an at-large bid, skidding into Wednesday night's game against USC with five losses in its previous eight games. But the Rams were quick to respond, outmuscling the bigger, stronger Trojans for a 59-46 victory.

Now comes another big-name opponent, and VCU has to prepare on the fly. The Rams got to Chicago about 3 a.m. Thursday and started watching Georgetown film a few hours before their practice at the United Center.

"We're fine. We're young guys," said Joey Rodriguez, who had eight points and five assists against USC. "I felt like I could have played today, to tell you the truth. We're all fine."

The Rams know they won't be given much chance against the Hoyas -- Clemson, another "First Four" team, wore down in its loss to West Virginia on Thursday -- and that's fine. They're thriving off proving people wrong.

But don't expect the Hoyas to be among the doubters. Georgetown returned most of the team that lost to 13th-seeded Ohio in the first round last year, and memories of that game remain fresh.

"One thing that we said at the beginning of the season is that we want to finish with our own legacy, not be remembered for the people before us and hopefully not after us," Wright said. "It feels good in some ways that I can control that."
 
I like this match up.

My only hope & expectation -- Chris, Austin and Julian leave it all out on the floor. No regrets.
 
these guys gota bust their tails on the trail. athleticism/quickness/strength is just so sub-par for a Georgetown team the past 3 years.

what changes x's and o's..I'm not sure, but defensively have to find something.


I thank Chris for the obvious.

I thank Julian for his hard work and improvement, unfortunate he smacked into a wall this year.

Austin...such a talent coming in, never totally fulfilled it. Amazing moments and games from him, kind of a microcosm of this program as of late. It's a shame he never was able to play his natural position.


Next year will be rough, but somehow, I'm excited. We're treading back to a bigger team with more length and it's what is best suited for this system. Unfortunately, Chris and Austin never were beneficiaries of it. Small and slow just won't work.

JTIII has to do soul-searching. If you have to make more changes to your staff, make it. If you have to let guys go on the roster, let them go. There is not any room right now to keep thinking things will just work out operating in the same fashion.
 
I think JTIII is the problem.  I just don't see him and that system matching the players they recruit.  With all the talent in the area I'd love to see a coach with a system that let players play. 
 
At this point I don't know how people can continue to defend JT3. If he's not on the hot seat than there is something wrong.

He has done relatively nothing with his own recruits. 3 years with 0 tourney wins, and1 in 4 years. He sure is milking that Final Four ('07) and Sweet 16 ('06) dry.

Blame it on the players for not showing up for big games, but also blame it on the coach for not holding players accountable and not making adjustments. The defensive scheme was just horrendous, its like he said "You know what, defend exactly how we did against Ohio last year." Switching so often allows for players to become lazy on the defensive end.

Offensively, how do you let your team continue to shoot itself out of the game? ...

too many things to rant about, not enough time in my work day.

We're heading into a bit of a transition year, I hope JT3 can get his head out of his !+% and learn to coach to his players abilities and not be so stuck on coaching his system.


edit- we also need to do away with new shoes for the tournament. XX2s in the first half against UNC, XVs SE against davidson, 2011s against VCU. Maybe its the shoes and not the coach/players?
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I'm good on a coaching change. I remember those Esherick years vividly.
There's no one they can get to maintain a high level of area recruiting with the pedigree that JT3 has...or the integrity. The job also needs to stay within the Georgetown network. It'd be easy to get a guy like Todd Bozeman and RULE area recruiting for the next X amount of years but then you have to deal with the BS that comes with a hire like that too.
 
I just want to see JT3 grow as a coach. I honestly do want him to succeed. And hell, I'm fine with losing in the tourney, just show some fire. Teach your team to leave it on the floor.

As allen said, he has to do some soul searching this off-season and get back on track. He has a new batch of kids coming in, if he can't motivate this new class then I think it may be time to look elsewhere.
 
I honestly think any talk about his job status is a waste of breath. As long as JT JR is alive.

I think something that is obvious now, is he misses his original staff, big time. Johnson is killing it at Princeton, Broadus was great at Binghamton until *%@! hit the fan and Burke is a head coach now, too. I think currently, Kirby is the only guy on the current staff that is a top flight assistant. (recruiting wise at least)

Staff and players are accountable....and not to single one guy out...but man, Henry Sims turning into a bust absolutely crippled this roster the past 2 years. Which is why it's nice to see now that they're over recruiting positions so the same crap doesn't happen twice.

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I've come to the realization that no overhaul of III's system is going to take place. And I think he's not comfortable in doing so and has tried to make sure his roster moving forward is much more similar to the 06/07/08 teams in size.

If you have a system that relies on people interchanging positions, it's tough making it work with 3 guys under 6'4. If a 6'4 kid gets stuck on the perimeter with the shot clock winding down..good luck. If you have a 6'8 kid..you have a chance. little things like that. And it's much easier to switch or hedge hard on every screen if you have length/athleticism. You can't get stuck playing in the half court if you're small and slow.

So if he's going to be stubborn, which he is...he better realize what works and what does not in his system. Based on what he's recruited the past few months..I think he has. Even if these kids don't turn out to be Jeff/Roy/DaJuan/Pat...they at least fit what he wants to do A LOT better.

*and i dont even want an over haul, but the past 2 years..he could have squeezed more out of these teams if we had ran more and pressed on defense. he didn't do it. so, like I said..if you're stubborn, be stubborn with what works.
 
Heard it got ugly last night in Beijing for our GTown Hoyas!

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[h1]Georgetown Brawls With Chinese Team[/h1]
This is not how you do a goodwill tour.

The Hoyas are out in China for a four-game swing, and it's all supposed to be about fun and friendship and learning about each other's cultures. Not crooked refs and thrown chairs and Sino-American relations reverting to pre-Nixon levels. The Washington Post's Gene Wang is there for today's game vs. the Bayi Rockets in Beijing, and his Tweet was the first sign of trouble.

Gene's off writing an actual newspaper story, which hopefully goes up before the missiles start flying. (UPDATE: Here it is.) In the meantime, here's an admittedly biased account from the HoyaTalk boards:
Then things got really lopsided on the officiating front in the second quarter. They were in the bonus (five fouls) in the first two minutes of the quarter. The fouls continued- I think we had about 12-14 in the second quarter alone, if I had to guess without seeing a stat sheet (which I doubt will be published). On a couple of plays there was a bit of shoving under the basket, but it calmed down fairly quickly, JT3 clearly called the team over and probably said something along the lines that the officiating was ridiculous, but it didn't matter and everyone needed to stay cool. Then JT3 became more active in pushing the refs for some calls on our end (we were getting mauled, and the PLA team was getting a call basically every time down the court). Despite all of this, we finished the half up 4 or 5- we were shooting really well.

The whole thing came undone in the third. About two minutes in, the ridiculously lopsided foul calls continued (we were in the bonus again 2 1/2 minutes in) and the first real shoving match kicked off over a loose ball. The players on the court separated each other pretty quickly, but then the craziest thing I've ever seen happened- one of the Bayi big men got in JT3's face and almost took a swing. He was so shocked he didn't know what to do. So that upped the ante a bit.

Then the foul calls truly took on a comical dimension. We supposedly fouled them every time down the court, despite some really good defense on some possessions. There were four or five intentional fouls called, giving them four shots each time down the court. JT3 was called for a technical for stepping over the line onto the court. I counted Bayi scoring two field goals in the entire third quarter. I don't know what the count was, but I would not be surprised if they shot 45-50 FTs through three quarters, and we shot 6-10. I honestly think the foul count was likely in the range of 30 or 35 to 5-7. A few exchanges got testy and at one point players had to restrain themselves again. I started joking with some Chinese people in the crowd, who to their credit similarly thought it was a bit ridiculous but were mainly upset that the game had no flow. At the end of the third, despite all of this, we were tied or up two points or so.

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Two minutes into the fourth, they were pressing full court, trapped one of our guards (I forget who it was), and then must have pushed or punched him on the ground after he made the outlet pass, because then there was a shoving match and then a bit of a fight, and then the whole thing set off. He tried to get away as quickly as possible as the Chinese players sort of converged on him, and then benches cleared, and then people on the Chinese bench started picking up chairs. Everyone on the other side of the court started fighting as well. Brawl spread all over the court, and then off the court. After it kicked off it immediately became possible for the crowd to get involved, and then they did. As we tried to get the team off the court, bottles (plastic ones, thankfully) came out of the crowd at the team and everyone left. Security was there (sort of), but it was more equivalent to mall cop-quality security rather than actual security. The Georgetown staff wanted the security to get on the floor, but honestly these guys didn't have a clue what to do. They escorted the whole alumni contingent out fairly quickly after that. Game over, 64-64 (following another intentional foul).
 
Here is the story from Washington Post's Gene Wang:

[h1]Fight ends Georgetown basketball exhibition in China[/h1]
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China Daily/Reuters - Players from the Georgetown men's basketball team and China's Bayi fight during an exhibition game at the Beijing Olympic Basketball Arena.


[h3]By Gene Wang, Thursday, August 18, 11:24 AM[/h3]

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BEIJING — What began as a goodwill trip to China for the Georgetown men’s basketball team turned violent Thursday night, when its exhibition game against the Bayi Rockets deteriorated into a melee during which players exchanged blows, chairs were thrown and spectators tossed full water bottles as Hoyas players and coaches headed to the locker room at Olympic Sports Center Stadium.

Georgetown Coach John Thompson III pulled his players off the court with 9 minutes 32 seconds left in the game and the scored tied at 64 after a chaotic scene in which members of both teams began throwing punches and tackling one another.
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Georgetown senior center Henry Sims had a chair tossed at him by an unidentified person, and freshman forward Moses Ayegba, who was wearing a brace on his sore right ankle, walked onto the court with a chair in his right hand. According to Georgetown officials, Ayegba had been struck, prompting him to grab a chair in self-defense.

It was the second time both benches emptied in physical game marred by fouls. By halftime, Bayi had 11 fouls while Georgetown had 28.

Immediately before the fighting began, Bayi forward-center Hu Ke was called for a foul against Georgetown’s Jason Clark. The senior guard clearly took exception to the hard foul and said so to Hu, triggering an exchange of shoves.

That’s when players from the Georgetown and Bayi benches ran onto the court, and bedlam ensued.

“Tonight two great teams played a very competitive game that unfortunately ended after heated exchanges with both teams,
 
so what happened exactly? i am ashamed that our boys cannot handle the chinese.. the USA needs to at least dominate in sports.. come on guys..
 
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