I know music is subjective but damn I just can't see it.. BP3 imo is just a step below AG which was a great album... actually when i thinkabout it the only reason I put BP3 below AG is because the production on BP3 is lacking when compared to AG. Im probably in the minority but i think AG is oneof Hov's best produced albums.
My list goes (PRODUCTION wise) BP, RD, TBA, AG, BP3, BP 2, Vol. 2, Vol. 1, Dynasty, Vol. 3, KC.
Originally Posted by DearWinter219
I think Jay-z IS above most of his critics, but this is the internet so most people won't get it.Think about it, as NTers we put ourselves on an even playing field when we come up with anonymous screen names to argue behind. If you take away the screen names and the monikers though, how many of us would actually have the status it took to argue with Hovkid or Ben Baller and actually make a valid point about the things that REALLY matter?
I can't come at neither one's neck cuz they're winning. I'm not losing, but their "High score" is way past mine right now.
So yeah...certain cats...no, more specifically, certain rappers be tryna diss Jay, and at the end of the day it boils down to Jay-Z being not only more talented at rap (ya'll acting like he can't out rap these dudes...but it really ain't financially worth it at this point in his life), or more meaningful to rap historically, but he's also waaaaaaaay more successful at it. It's like DeShawn Stevenson calling Lebron overrated, except Jay-Z's legacy is closer to Kobe's (if not Jordan's). Who cares what Deshawn has to say about Lebron. That's REAL LIFE %%%%, but because ya'll look at music like Vince McMahon looks at "rasslin", ya'll fail to see the big picture. Just cause dude's play the same sport, that don't mean they're in the same league. They don't shoot at the same baskets, as he said on Already Home. Are ya'll REALLY listening to this man? He's spitting real %%%% left and right on that disk
. Dude is pushing 40 and pushing up on a billie. WHY...Lord WHY... would he waste money, time, resources, etc recording songs to argue with people 15 years younger than him when he can channel his focus, make another BP, and continue being successful? Why try to be "The Game" and fight off every hater?
How isn't he above critics? Who are the critics? Whyshould they even matter to him as long as they ain't affecting his well being? You think jordan cared whether __sdidn't like his ball hogging? He won 6 rings ball hoggingOriginally Posted by The Natural Mystic
Originally Posted by DearWinter219
I think Jay-z IS above most of his critics, but this is the internet so most people won't get it.Think about it, as NTers we put ourselves on an even playing field when we come up with anonymous screen names to argue behind. If you take away the screen names and the monikers though, how many of us would actually have the status it took to argue with Hovkid or Ben Baller and actually make a valid point about the things that REALLY matter?
I can't come at neither one's neck cuz they're winning. I'm not losing, but their "High score" is way past mine right now.
So yeah...certain cats...no, more specifically, certain rappers be tryna diss Jay, and at the end of the day it boils down to Jay-Z being not only more talented at rap (ya'll acting like he can't out rap these dudes...but it really ain't financially worth it at this point in his life), or more meaningful to rap historically, but he's also waaaaaaaay more successful at it. It's like DeShawn Stevenson calling Lebron overrated, except Jay-Z's legacy is closer to Kobe's (if not Jordan's). Who cares what Deshawn has to say about Lebron. That's REAL LIFE %%%%, but because ya'll look at music like Vince McMahon looks at "rasslin", ya'll fail to see the big picture. Just cause dude's play the same sport, that don't mean they're in the same league. They don't shoot at the same baskets, as he said on Already Home. Are ya'll REALLY listening to this man? He's spitting real %%%% left and right on that disk. Dude is pushing 40 and pushing up on a billie. WHY...Lord WHY... would he waste money, time, resources, etc recording songs to argue with people 15 years younger than him when he can channel his focus, make another BP, and continue being successful? Why try to be "The Game" and fight off every hater?
How can Jay-z be above the critics? I hope that's not bull you actually believe. He ain't God.If you put out a product for people to listen to then you have to expect criticism. Status has nothing to do with that. If I have ears and you're making music that's trash then expect unkind reviews. I feel like people give this dude the pass to make some music that's trash. I'm not willing to give him that pass, doesn't matter how much cash he has or his status. All the other stuff such as money is unnecessary.
P.S. I'm not stalking you.
W-H-O-AOriginally Posted by NostrandAve68
Did cats peep the last verse on Thank You
not his pic. he and 2 other people saw it, didn't know he would "twitter" itOriginally Posted by ILLIONAIRE
Originally Posted by RED FLAG
you're an idiot dude.Originally Posted by dunnyy
Oh hey Elliot!
OH!...no wonder...now i get it
Shameful *%+% (c) Clay Davis.
Don't shoot me though, RED FLAG.
*hug*
Originally Posted by RED FLAG
not his pic. he and 2 other people saw it, didn't know he would "twitter" itOriginally Posted by ILLIONAIRE
Originally Posted by RED FLAG
you're an idiot dude.Originally Posted by dunnyy
Oh hey Elliot!
OH!...no wonder...now i get it
Shameful *%+% (c) Clay Davis.
Don't shoot me though, RED FLAG.
*hug*
will call out via email
Aside from the production on the first BP, I agree. The production was dummy on AG.
agree with both of you American gangster definitely IS one of his best produced albums along side BP1
How isn't he above critics? Who are the critics? Why should they even matter to him as long as they ain't affecting his well being? You think jordan cared whether __s didn't like his ball hogging? He won 6 rings ball hoggingOriginally Posted by DearWinter219
Originally Posted by The Natural Mystic
DearWinter219 wrote:
I think Jay-z IS above most of his critics, but this is the internet so most people won't get it.Think about it, as NTers we put ourselves on an even
playing field when we come up with anonymous screen names to argue behind. If you take away the screen names and the monikers though, how many of us would
actually have the status it took to argue with Hovkid or Ben Baller and actually make a valid point about the things that REALLY matter?
I can't come at neither one's neck cuz they're winning. I'm not losing, but their "High score" is way past mine right now.
So yeah...certain cats...no, more specifically, certain rappers be tryna diss Jay, and at the end of the day
it boils down to Jay-Z being not only more talented at rap (ya'll acting like he can't out rap these dudes...but it really ain't financially
worth it at this point in his life), or more meaningful to rap historically, but he's also waaaaaaaay more successful at it. It's like DeShawn
Stevenson calling Lebron overrated, except Jay-Z's legacy is closer to Kobe's (if not Jordan's). Who cares what Deshawn has to say about Lebron
. That's REAL LIFE %%%%, but because ya'll look at music like Vince McMahon looks at "rasslin", ya'll fail to see the big picture.
Just cause dude's play the same sport, that don't mean they're in the same league. They don't shoot at the same baskets, as he said
on Already Home. Are ya'll REALLY listening to this man? He's spitting real %%%% left and right on that disk. Dude is pushing 40 and pushing up
on a billie. WHY...Lord WHY... would he waste money, time, resources, etc recording songs to argue with people 15 years younger than him when he can
channel his focus, make another BP, and continue being successful? Why try to be "The Game" and fight off every hater?
How can Jay-z be above the critics? I hope that's not bull you actually believe. He ain't God.If you put out a product for people to listen to
then you have to expect criticism. Status has nothing to do with that. If I have ears and you're making music that's trash then expect unkind reviews.
I feel like people give this dude the pass to make some music that's trash. I'm not willing to give him that pass, doesn't matter how much cash he
has or his status. All the other stuff such as money is unnecessary.
P.S. I'm not stalking you.
Originally Posted by The Natural Mystic
How isn't he above critics? Who are the critics? Why should they even matter to him as long as they ain't affecting his well being? You think jordan cared whether __s didn't like his ball hogging? He won 6 rings ball hoggingOriginally Posted by DearWinter219
Originally Posted by The Natural Mystic
DearWinter219 wrote:
I think Jay-z IS above most of his critics, but this is the internet so most people won't get it.Think about it, as NTers we put ourselves on an even
playing field when we come up with anonymous screen names to argue behind. If you take away the screen names and the monikers though, how many of us would
actually have the status it took to argue with Hovkid or Ben Baller and actually make a valid point about the things that REALLY matter?
I can't come at neither one's neck cuz they're winning. I'm not losing, but their "High score" is way past mine right now.
So yeah...certain cats...no, more specifically, certain rappers be tryna diss Jay, and at the end of the day
it boils down to Jay-Z being not only more talented at rap (ya'll acting like he can't out rap these dudes...but it really ain't financially
worth it at this point in his life), or more meaningful to rap historically, but he's also waaaaaaaay more successful at it. It's like DeShawn
Stevenson calling Lebron overrated, except Jay-Z's legacy is closer to Kobe's (if not Jordan's). Who cares what Deshawn has to say about Lebron
. That's REAL LIFE %%%%, but because ya'll look at music like Vince McMahon looks at "rasslin", ya'll fail to see the big picture.
Just cause dude's play the same sport, that don't mean they're in the same league. They don't shoot at the same baskets, as he said
on Already Home. Are ya'll REALLY listening to this man? He's spitting real %%%% left and right on that disk. Dude is pushing 40 and pushing up
on a billie. WHY...Lord WHY... would he waste money, time, resources, etc recording songs to argue with people 15 years younger than him when he can
channel his focus, make another BP, and continue being successful? Why try to be "The Game" and fight off every hater?
How can Jay-z be above the critics? I hope that's not bull you actually believe. He ain't God.If you put out a product for people to listen to
then you have to expect criticism. Status has nothing to do with that. If I have ears and you're making music that's trash then expect unkind reviews.
I feel like people give this dude the pass to make some music that's trash. I'm not willing to give him that pass, doesn't matter how much cash he
has or his status. All the other stuff such as money is unnecessary.
P.S. I'm not stalking you.. %%*! what a hater got to say. By the way, all of that that you said is ONLY your opinion. And this is ONLY mine. We aren't giving him a pass. Maybe we just don't think the music is trash. We like it. I never once etched my appreciation for Jay-Z in stone, but every time somebody doesn't like his music (or his face, which is gay), they think their opinion is innately accurate and absolute.. You say "All the other stuff such as money" is irrelevent? Dude, "all the other stuff" is objective. Sales and success directly correlate to how many people appreciate and like his music. That's the only real scale there is. %%*! opinions and who said what, men lie and women lie. Numbers don't. Only with rappers do we act so much like crabs in a barrel....
