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SoleWoman said:
There's no consistent answer for this. It depends on so many factors from the individual.
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Thanks Ma'am, I keep telling myself that. But I'm kind of bugging out because me and my co-worker completed ours at the same time, two months later his came back and that had me a little paranoid, then I remembered he lived in the same area for the last ten years, I've moved from Charleston, SC to Jacksonville, FL, to San Diego, to Texas, now I'm stationed in Bahrain. I think I should be alright, besides my addresses, not much, if anything, has changed since I received my initial clearance, which was a Secret, I just hate not having that piece of mind. I just hate something in being in flux. Damn, this reply was mad long, my bad.
 
6 years Air Force
2002-2008
Some of the best years and friends of my life.
Biggest variety of women I ever had.:pimp:
 
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i hit 10 years in Aug smh time flies..Congrats to the (M)Sgt selects on here if any. I test next year, PCSing to JB SA this weekend so i have plenty of free time to study.
 
Man...I'm gonna hit 17 years next February.

The light is bright at the end of my tunnel but I'm probably going out to 24 unless I pick up CWO...
 
tupac003 said:
Man...I'm gonna hit 17 years next February.

The light is bright at the end of my tunnel but I'm probably going out to 24 unless I pick up CWO...
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Same here boss, I hit 17 just back in March and I will ride this thing out til 2024, unless I pick up MACS.
 
Art Vandelay said:
Same here boss, I hit 17 just back in March and I will ride this thing out til 2024, unless I pick up MACS.
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I could go to 24 and retire a captain since that would give me enough time to go LDO in the Marine Corps. But f dat.

I'm seeing so many useless contractors and GS collecting six figures around here to not make some real money and collect my retirement check + disability.
 
spiderjericho said:
I could go to 24 and retire a captain since that would give me enough time to go LDO in the Marine Corps. But f dat.

I'm seeing so many useless contractors and GS collecting six figures around here to not make some real money and collect my retirement check + disability.
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You must be out here in Bahrain, because we have a few of those useless contractors and GSs.
 
sugafree said:
5 years Army
2009-2014
Some of the best years and friends of my life.
Biggest variety of women I ever had.:pimp:
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Have a safe Memorial Weekend Vets/Active/Reserves/Retired/Future military members :pimp:
 
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Art Vandelay said:
You must be out here in Bahrain, because we have a few of those useless contractors and GSs.
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Nah, they everywhere. Cali. Va. D.C. MD. HI. NC. Er where.

I was talking to one today. Former vet (think he was in the Air Force for a lil spell). The contract he's under ends next week. He's taking a position of the winning bidder. The guy literally does nothing. I see him smoking, talking about social issues and joking most of the time. One of his coworkers is parlaying his time here to get a job somewhere else. He's just complacent. He knows he has this six figure job and nothing is really expected of him.
 
spiderjericho said:
Nah, they everywhere. Cali. Va. D.C. MD. HI. NC. Er where.

I was talking to one today. Former vet (think he was in the Air Force for a lil spell). The contract he's under ends next week. He's taking a position of the winning bidder. The guy literally does nothing. I see him smoking, talking about social issues and joking most of the time. One of his coworkers is parlaying his time here to get a job somewhere else. He's just complacent. He knows he has this six figure job and nothing is really expected of him.
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typical contractors, looking up new stuff to buy for they cars or smashin the military joints while they roommates at the gym...dudes live wild in desert, cant knock it..
 
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spiderjericho said:
I could go to 24 and retire a captain since that would give me enough time to go LDO in the Marine Corps. But f dat.

I'm seeing so many useless contractors and GS collecting six figures around here to not make some real money and collect my retirement check + disability.
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lol, yea your right I work with a bunch of them.  I have a federal technician job, but they have civilian contractors I work with.  Most are ex military doing the same job as me getting paid twice as much as me.
 
Thats the nature of the beast....if you want to make more money to do less
Get out of the service and go contract or GS
 
sugafree said:
Thats the nature of the beast....if you want to make more money to do less
Get out of the service and go contract or GS
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It's the most asinine thing. I'm looking at one of our contractors Google and surf the web, getting paid north of six figures. Meanwhile, there are a bunch of restricted and unrestricted officers doing the brunt of the work around here. The guy literally does not contribute very much to our operations. We have two of them like that. We have a third who is worth a darn but he's moving onto greener pastures.
 
https://www.navytimes.com/articles/initiation-is-back-navy-ends-ban-on-the-term-for-chiefs-training

'Initiation' is back: MCPON ends officialdom's 14-year ban on using the term for chiefs' training :smokin :smokin

Navy chief selects can once again be "initiated" into the mess.

The Navy’s top enlisted sailor has made it OK to refer to the process of making new chief petty officers as an "initiation," ending 14 years of official taboo for the term once closely associated with hazing and sophomoric pranks.

There's no official name change — administratively, the six-week training program will continue to be referred to as CPO-365 Phase II — but in releasing his 2018 guidance, Master Chief Petty Officer of the Navy (SG/IW) Steven Giordano made it clear with his words that use of the word “initiation” is back.

“We are initiating new chief petty officers, and providing a roadmap for people to be successful in life — whatever the course,” Giordano wrote in his letter accompanying the official guidance that was made public Tuesday.

In a move that is likely to be popular with the deckplates, Giordano said it’s time for the word "initiation" to be associated with today's tough, professional training and not the hazing practices of years past.

In reality, he’s just acknowledging what everyone wearing anchors already knows — the word initiation has remained in everyday use among sailors despite official efforts to get rid of it.

Giordano says he has no problem with the word because those in the mess have earned its return with their actions.

“Historically, when you said the word initiation or initiating, you were defining that word by actions that were not in keeping with our core values,” Giordano said Tuesday in a interview with Navy Times.

“We needed to change our actions and that is exactly what has transpired over a number of years now where we now have a program that is focused on developing leaders, where we are focused on treating each other with dignity and respect.”

Giordano said bringing back the word is the result of a “rudder correction” applied by past MCPONs Rick West and Mike Stevens that were embraced by all chief petty officers and has resulted in the CPO-365 process that they started becoming a tough and challenging period for preparing to joining the mess — which was the purpose of initiation in the first place.

“I couldn’t be more pleased with where we are today with our actions in CPO-365 in developing our future leaders,” Giordano said in the interview. "And if we get that part right, when you say that you are an initiated chief petty officer, you are going to understand that those actions are what defines that term and not the other way around when we had this negative connotation that represents bad actions.”

In his letter, he also made it clear that he wants the training to be tough because it has to be. Still, he made it clear that shenanigans won’t be tolerated.

“Respect the dignity and welfare of all participants while pushing one another to new limits; we deserve, and should expect, nothing less,” Giordano wrote. “Done correctly, this process will never come close to anything that can be construed as hazing.”

Giordano has his history correct. The term was taken out of mainstream use first by MCPON (SS/AW) Terry Scott in August of 2004 for just the reason’s Giordano mentioned — it had come to evoke hazing and unprofessional conduct.

"I prefer calling it a transition or training," Scott told Navy Times in an August, 2004 interview. "Initiation, regretfully, has negative connotations and it should never be so.”

And even his successor, MCPON (SW/FMF) Joe Campa wrestled with the term, too, and attempted to find a compromise.

"Transition' is passive -- and I don't think there is anything passive about being a chief petty officer," Campa told Navy Times in a July 2007 interview. "'Transition' doesn't lay out any expectations, so I never liked that term."

Yet the term "initiation" also was not one that Campa liked, saying it meant, "Something is being done to somebody. That if you withstand it, you're in -- it creates no expectation on the part of the selectee."

Campa settled on a new term for the process.

“Induction' means that standards have to be met, requirements have to be met on the part of the selectee and that, when you do get pinned, there is a feeling of acceptance, of belonging," Campa said at the time.

Officially, induction lasted six years until the MCPON (AW/NAC) Mike Stevens ended the naming carousel and officially “sundowned” the phrase induction, opting to simply call the final six week process of making new chiefs simply CPO 365 Phase II.

And that’s where it stands today — it’s still just Phase II — but Giordano’s use of the term acknowledges the reality on the deckplates that it’s ok to openly be proud of being initiated into the mess.
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sugafree said:
Thats the nature of the beast....if you want to make more money to do less
Get out of the service and go contract or GS
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thats right.

its up to the individual to understand that and make that move instead of chasing meaningless medals and awards that amount to zero $$$$ on the outside
 
seasoned vet said:
thats right.

its up to the individual to understand that and make that move instead of chasing meaningless medals and awards that amount to zero $$$$ on the outside
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It becomes about who you know.

What you have (an investigation).

Who you are (your hustle).

But I'm not hating. One day I will be there.

Back to initiations
 
seasoned vet said:
thats right.

its up to the individual to understand that and make that move instead of chasing meaningless medals and awards that amount to zero $$$$ on the outside
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Agreed...I was once that naive active duty member who despised contractors and federal civilians also.

The system is a gravy train...PERIOD!
 
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