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The Official NBA Collective Bargaining Thread vol Phased in Hard Cap
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yeah I agree with this 100%, you don't make it to billionaire status, by being wired like the average joe. to get to that point you have to be willing to be ugly and step on a few people to get to that point in life....
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Disagree with you. These newer owners don't lord over Stern. He owns the league. He was an extremely smart lawyer in his younger days & is arguably the best modern commissioner of any of the pro sports.
Stern is a straight up storm trooper & he has to be. The economic landscape has forever changed & will not survive using anything remotely close to the current business model.
Shoot, we may eventually see the season shortened & several teams contracted once the lock out ends. No one is buying tickets to an 82 game season & companies aren't buying corporate boxes or seats for NBA games. The NBA revenue streams have shrunk quite a bit & Stern knows this so he's moving to make agressive changes now.
When the owners sign your checks and determine your pay, you don't own or run anything. PMatic has posted several articles reporting that Stern has been at the mercy of the hardline owners. Everyone wants change, but Stern understands that alienating the players when they are the product isn't the best plan.
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When the owners sign your checks and determine your pay, you don't own or run anything. PMatic has posted several articles reporting that Stern has been at the mercy of the hardline owners. Everyone wants change, but Stern understands that alienating the players when they are the product isn't the best plan.
Now I agree with the last sentence you typed & I'll temper what I said, Stern does need to balance both sides because there is a partnership between the owners, the L, & the players.
Don't buy too much into those articles though. I don't doubt some owners have voiced some hard views but the one thing I've learned is that journalist these days don't know squat especially sports writers. They tend to make stuff up citing so called "anonymous sources" which is license for them to basically make stuff up. 95% of sports writers are straight crap.
These newer owners would not have been able to come into the league if Stern didn't like them. Shoot, he's done a pretty impressive job of muzzling Cuban over the last 2-3 years.
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%%*$ the players..
I'm stil with my man..
..that boy got swag.
I'm stil with my man..
..that boy got swag.
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dumb money says that there is gonna be a deal....
Not quite so fast...
Some owners don't like 50-50 offer?
A group of disgruntled NBA owners held a conference call Monday to express their displeasure with the 50/50 revenue offer commissioner David Stern has presented to the players' association, according to sources with knowledge of the call.
The deal, which the union sees as an "ultimatum" offer, calls for players to receive anywhere between 49 and 51 percent of basketball-related income, but the group of displeased owners, the sources said, are hoping the players reject it. The owners are aware that the union's executive committee is opposed to the league's latest proposal, but they fear that the 30 player representatives set to meet in New York on Tuesday will push for approval of the deal.
Stern was not on the call, but the sources said up to 11 owners took part, including Charlotte's Michael Jordan, Portland's Paul Allen and Milwaukee's Herb Kohl.
"There are at least 15 owners who are praying that the players say no,'' one source said. "Because then they'll get the deal they want.''
The deal the hard-liners want is the one Stern said would replace the league's current offer if the players don't accept it by Wednesday at 5 p.m. The alternative offer features a 47 percent revenue split for the players, a flex cap, and rollbacks on current contracts.
One source said if the players accept the 50/50 offer, it will not be easy for Stern to get it approved by his owners.
"There are a large number of owners against (the 50/50 deal), but I think we have enough to get it passed,'' the source said.
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dumb money says that there is gonna be a deal....
Not quite so fast...
Some owners don't like 50-50 offer?
A group of disgruntled NBA owners held a conference call Monday to express their displeasure with the 50/50 revenue offer commissioner David Stern has presented to the players' association, according to sources with knowledge of the call.
The deal, which the union sees as an "ultimatum" offer, calls for players to receive anywhere between 49 and 51 percent of basketball-related income, but the group of displeased owners, the sources said, are hoping the players reject it. The owners are aware that the union's executive committee is opposed to the league's latest proposal, but they fear that the 30 player representatives set to meet in New York on Tuesday will push for approval of the deal.
Stern was not on the call, but the sources said up to 11 owners took part, including Charlotte's Michael Jordan, Portland's Paul Allen and Milwaukee's Herb Kohl.
"There are at least 15 owners who are praying that the players say no,'' one source said. "Because then they'll get the deal they want.''
The deal the hard-liners want is the one Stern said would replace the league's current offer if the players don't accept it by Wednesday at 5 p.m. The alternative offer features a 47 percent revenue split for the players, a flex cap, and rollbacks on current contracts.
One source said if the players accept the 50/50 offer, it will not be easy for Stern to get it approved by his owners.
"There are a large number of owners against (the 50/50 deal), but I think we have enough to get it passed,'' the source said.
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dumb money says that there is gonna be a deal....
I have this feeling the owners don't want to lose an entire season...but they can afford to lose an entire season. The optimistic side of me thinks there are last-minute concessions to be made. but if the players balk at any of this, it gets nasty Wednesday night, and there's no season. That's what it comes down to.
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dumb money says that there is gonna be a deal....
I have this feeling the owners don't want to lose an entire season...but they can afford to lose an entire season. The optimistic side of me thinks there are last-minute concessions to be made. but if the players balk at any of this, it gets nasty Wednesday night, and there's no season. That's what it comes down to.
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Most players know that this is a bad deal (whether or not they vote for or against it is another story), a good number of owners hate this deal............ I just feel like it is gonna take a miracle for this to work out.
But I'm not ready to give up hope
But I'm not ready to give up hope
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Most players know that this is a bad deal (whether or not they vote for or against it is another story), a good number of owners hate this deal............ I just feel like it is gonna take a miracle for this to work out.
But I'm not ready to give up hope
But I'm not ready to give up hope
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Looks like the "disgruntled" owners angling for 53-47 is a bit of reverse psychology.
I don't think the players fall for it, though. Their problem is staving off an internal civil war.
The upper tier players can afford to be principled, while the drones need every paycheck.
Time's ticking...
I don't think the players fall for it, though. Their problem is staving off an internal civil war.
The upper tier players can afford to be principled, while the drones need every paycheck.
Time's ticking...
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Looks like the "disgruntled" owners angling for 53-47 is a bit of reverse psychology.
I don't think the players fall for it, though. Their problem is staving off an internal civil war.
The upper tier players can afford to be principled, while the drones need every paycheck.
Time's ticking...
I don't think the players fall for it, though. Their problem is staving off an internal civil war.
The upper tier players can afford to be principled, while the drones need every paycheck.
Time's ticking...
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if the players take 50 50 and the owners don't approve it I think that the fan backlash will turn to the owners. people immediately think 50 50 is fair without looking into the rest.
then again many people feel like leverageeee is what it's all about and maybe be fine with the owners using all of it. i don't even know at this point.
then again many people feel like leverageeee is what it's all about and maybe be fine with the owners using all of it. i don't even know at this point.
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if the players take 50 50 and the owners don't approve it I think that the fan backlash will turn to the owners. people immediately think 50 50 is fair without looking into the rest.
then again many people feel like leverageeee is what it's all about and maybe be fine with the owners using all of it. i don't even know at this point.
then again many people feel like leverageeee is what it's all about and maybe be fine with the owners using all of it. i don't even know at this point.
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Just take the 50-50 already and get this !+$@ started goddamn
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Just take the 50-50 already and get this !+$@ started goddamn
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I really think some owners are playing the hardline stance because they are bitter
They know they can't win a championship or even come close. The Miami Heat (Pat Riley) told Dwayne Wade that he was going to be the team the two years before "The Decision" and they wouldn't be serious contenders. That was a big sacrifice they made in order to put their team in an incredible position to win. bigger risk = bigger payoff. Pat Riley (although he's president, everyone knows he runs the organization) is a basketball genius with money while some of the other owners (I'm talking to you Dan Gilbert) are billionaires who enjoy basketball.
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I really think some owners are playing the hardline stance because they are bitter
They know they can't win a championship or even come close. The Miami Heat (Pat Riley) told Dwayne Wade that he was going to be the team the two years before "The Decision" and they wouldn't be serious contenders. That was a big sacrifice they made in order to put their team in an incredible position to win. bigger risk = bigger payoff. Pat Riley (although he's president, everyone knows he runs the organization) is a basketball genius with money while some of the other owners (I'm talking to you Dan Gilbert) are billionaires who enjoy basketball.
