The Official NBA Collective Bargaining Thread vol Phased in Hard Cap

[duba169]

Decertification would last at least one and a half seasons and is extremely unpredictable.

 

[duba169]

Decertification would last at least one and a half seasons and is extremely unpredictable.

 

[jpzx]

http://twitter.com/#!/WojYahooNBA

@WojYahooNBA: NBA/NBPA are seriously discussing setting up meeting Tues. to try and reach agreement on labor deal, league source tells Y!

 

[jpzx]

http://twitter.com/#!/WojYahooNBA

@WojYahooNBA: NBA/NBPA are seriously discussing setting up meeting Tues. to try and reach agreement on labor deal, league source tells Y!

 

[jaeevolution]

Originally Posted by JPZx

http://twitter.com/#!/WojYahooNBA

@WojYahooNBA: NBA/NBPA are seriously discussing setting up meeting Tues. to try and reach agreement on labor deal, league source tells Y!

I'm not going to sit here and get all happy at this 'one last chance' theme that tweet has written all over it, but what exactly would they discuss the whole deal is laid out on the table it's a take it or leave it offer that if not taken will have the NBA spiral into a place it doesn't need to go. 

 

[jaeevolution]

Originally Posted by JPZx

http://twitter.com/#!/WojYahooNBA

@WojYahooNBA: NBA/NBPA are seriously discussing setting up meeting Tues. to try and reach agreement on labor deal, league source tells Y!

I'm not going to sit here and get all happy at this 'one last chance' theme that tweet has written all over it, but what exactly would they discuss the whole deal is laid out on the table it's a take it or leave it offer that if not taken will have the NBA spiral into a place it doesn't need to go. 

 

[mronegative]

Stern was on Sportscenter a second ago...says take the 50-50 split by Wednesday, or else we're only offering 47-53 from now on and are ready to lose the season.

 

[mronegative]

Stern was on Sportscenter a second ago...says take the 50-50 split by Wednesday, or else we're only offering 47-53 from now on and are ready to lose the season.

 

[thatpersianguy]

Originally Posted by JPZx

http://twitter.com/#!/WojYahooNBA

@WojYahooNBA: NBA/NBPA are seriously discussing setting up meeting Tues. to try and reach agreement on labor deal, league source tells Y!

While this generally would be good news, I simply don't care for it.

 

[thatpersianguy]

Originally Posted by JPZx

http://twitter.com/#!/WojYahooNBA

@WojYahooNBA: NBA/NBPA are seriously discussing setting up meeting Tues. to try and reach agreement on labor deal, league source tells Y!

While this generally would be good news, I simply don't care for it.

 

[duba169]

Over and over in the last two weeks, I have heard the same refrain from players and agents, from big markets and small ones, max guys and minimum salaried guys. You can forget asking about community service work. You can forget asking for cooperation for NBA Cares. Basketball Without Borders? Don't even ask. All of the public service requests that the league has made of its players -- in part, it must be said, to quell fan anger after the Brawl at Auburn Hills in 2004 -- are in jeopardy. NBA.com

 

[duba169]

Over and over in the last two weeks, I have heard the same refrain from players and agents, from big markets and small ones, max guys and minimum salaried guys. You can forget asking about community service work. You can forget asking for cooperation for NBA Cares. Basketball Without Borders? Don't even ask. All of the public service requests that the league has made of its players -- in part, it must be said, to quell fan anger after the Brawl at Auburn Hills in 2004 -- are in jeopardy. NBA.com

 

[statis22]

 

[statis22]

 

[mco85]

Reading that letter from Stern I hope the players don't take that deal. They are getting killed, not only is the money going down but the system issues really restrict player movement. Im a huge basketball fan but I would rather lose a season then see the players get @!+#%% over like that.I think those rules would make the league much more competitive though.

 

[mco85]

Reading that letter from Stern I hope the players don't take that deal. They are getting killed, not only is the money going down but the system issues really restrict player movement. Im a huge basketball fan but I would rather lose a season then see the players get @!+#%% over like that.I think those rules would make the league much more competitive though.

 

[duba169]

alanhahn Alan Hahn
FWIW: #NBPA VP Roger Mason Jr tells Newsday "There will be no vote" on #NBA proposal at player rep mtg. Details will be outlined, tho. #fb
1 minute ago

 

[duba169]

alanhahn Alan Hahn
FWIW: #NBPA VP Roger Mason Jr tells Newsday "There will be no vote" on #NBA proposal at player rep mtg. Details will be outlined, tho. #fb
1 minute ago

 

[burns1923]

Originally Posted by MrONegative

Stern was on Sportscenter a second ago...says take the 50-50 split by Wednesday, or else we're only offering 47-53 from now on and are ready to lose the season.

 

This is what the players don't get. Stern and the owners are done negotiating.

And they completely own the PR on this. Even if the players accept 50/50, they'll come off as having blown hot air for months, wasting time, all so they could "cave" at the last moment. The owners know exactly what to do for future CBA's: set the terms and wait out the union. 

Kessler said the players won't be intimidated. Ok, stop screwing around and decertify then. You know what's in the best deal possible at this point and that you don't want it. Want 47-53? No.

So decert and stop jerking people, fans first and foremost, around.

 

[burns1923]

Originally Posted by MrONegative

Stern was on Sportscenter a second ago...says take the 50-50 split by Wednesday, or else we're only offering 47-53 from now on and are ready to lose the season.

 

This is what the players don't get. Stern and the owners are done negotiating.

And they completely own the PR on this. Even if the players accept 50/50, they'll come off as having blown hot air for months, wasting time, all so they could "cave" at the last moment. The owners know exactly what to do for future CBA's: set the terms and wait out the union. 

Kessler said the players won't be intimidated. Ok, stop screwing around and decertify then. You know what's in the best deal possible at this point and that you don't want it. Want 47-53? No.

So decert and stop jerking people, fans first and foremost, around.

 

[aepps20]

I think the players will accept the deal. The problem is that in their haste to destroy the Union the league will have very angry players on their hands that will diligently prepare for the next CBA which IMO will be much worse. The trust is gone and I can guarantee that the hardliners on the player's side will be in power the next go round. Stephen A put it best when he said both sides need each other and that a failure to compromise will create a contentious atmosphere on every league issue from here on out.

 

[aepps20]

I think the players will accept the deal. The problem is that in their haste to destroy the Union the league will have very angry players on their hands that will diligently prepare for the next CBA which IMO will be much worse. The trust is gone and I can guarantee that the hardliners on the player's side will be in power the next go round. Stephen A put it best when he said both sides need each other and that a failure to compromise will create a contentious atmosphere on every league issue from here on out.

 

[pmatic]

Owners are trying to run up the score.

The players might say **+% it and give a big **+% you to the owners.

Edit:

Kevin Martin:

"If you know for sure [the owners] are not moving, then you take the best deal possible," Martin wrote in a text message to SI.com. "We are risking losing 20 to 25 percent of missed games that we'll never get back, all over 2 percent [of basketball-related income] over an eight-to-10-year period [of the eventual collective bargaining agreement]. And let's be honest: 60 to 70 percent of players won't even be in the league when the next CBA comes around."

[...]

"When players are negotiating as free agents, we're always saying, 'Well I'm going to do what's best for my family,'" he wrote. "So now we're lying, because right now, losing money isn't helping our families at all. I'm not criticizing the fight our union is doing, because they have been in every meeting adding up to countless hours and have been breaking down every number possible. I believe in them and know they have the best interest for us. My opinion -- which is just one of 450 players -- is that if it comes down to losing a season and 100 percent of the money, we all definitely have to sit down and think about reality. That doesn't sound smart to possibly become part of the country's growing unemployment rate."
Link

 

[pmatic]

Owners are trying to run up the score.

The players might say **+% it and give a big **+% you to the owners.

Edit:

Kevin Martin:

"If you know for sure [the owners] are not moving, then you take the best deal possible," Martin wrote in a text message to SI.com. "We are risking losing 20 to 25 percent of missed games that we'll never get back, all over 2 percent [of basketball-related income] over an eight-to-10-year period [of the eventual collective bargaining agreement]. And let's be honest: 60 to 70 percent of players won't even be in the league when the next CBA comes around."

[...]

"When players are negotiating as free agents, we're always saying, 'Well I'm going to do what's best for my family,'" he wrote. "So now we're lying, because right now, losing money isn't helping our families at all. I'm not criticizing the fight our union is doing, because they have been in every meeting adding up to countless hours and have been breaking down every number possible. I believe in them and know they have the best interest for us. My opinion -- which is just one of 450 players -- is that if it comes down to losing a season and 100 percent of the money, we all definitely have to sit down and think about reality. That doesn't sound smart to possibly become part of the country's growing unemployment rate."
Link

 

[duba169]

I suppose you don't become a billionaire without running up the score. They ae probably wired differently than more of us can comprehend