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I don't think he can legally do it. Just trying to scare players
The Official NBA Collective Bargaining Thread vol Phased in Hard Cap
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The owners would still be bound by some kind of regulations. Not sure exactly how but they would have an agreement among themselves to protect themselves.
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The owners would still be bound by some kind of regulations. Not sure exactly how but they would have an agreement among themselves to protect themselves.
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You can't just void binding contracts without cause. The NBA would get the crap sued out of them
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You can't just void binding contracts without cause. The NBA would get the crap sued out of them
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They should call their bluff and de certify... You have to go on the attack now.
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They should call their bluff and de certify... You have to go on the attack now.
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If the union decertifies unless there is an agreement to like Cake said call the bluff, there is no shot of it being viable long term. The NBA can kill the union if they let the union decertify and then go about paying the current stars up and coming guys and rookies. In all honesty at least a third of the league is replacable, if dudes want to sit down the NBA can find replacements. The owners could decide to let the case playout in court instead of trying to put teams together.
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If the union decertifies unless there is an agreement to like Cake said call the bluff, there is no shot of it being viable long term. The NBA can kill the union if they let the union decertify and then go about paying the current stars up and coming guys and rookies. In all honesty at least a third of the league is replacable, if dudes want to sit down the NBA can find replacements. The owners could decide to let the case playout in court instead of trying to put teams together.
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I feel conflicted.... I really thought the NBA would get it together and not be big ole d-bags. But apparently I was wrong.
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I feel conflicted.... I really thought the NBA would get it together and not be big ole d-bags. But apparently I was wrong.
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I hope they decertify. +$*$ Stern.
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I remember reading decertification made more sense for football as apposed to basketball but i cant remember why.
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I remember reading decertification made more sense for football as apposed to basketball but i cant remember why.
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This is a CBA plan I wrote up. After reviewing it, I think it favors the owners more than the players. I'm sure there are holes in my plan, so bear with me if you choose read through it. Let me know what you guys think.
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THE PMATIC PLAN
Basketball Related Income Split
Current plan: Players get 57% of the BRI the form of salaries and benefits
Players' offer: Players have offered to reduce their BRI to 54.3% for the next five years, which is a $100 million reduction each year ($500 million total).
Owners' offer: Owners want to guarantee the players $2 billion each year for the next ten years. This would give the players a 40% guarantee of the BRI.
My plan: Players get 52% of the BRI, while the owners get the left over 48%. For example, this past season the NBA reported a BRI of $3.817 billion. Under my plan, the players would get $1.984 billion of that amount, leaving the owners with $1.833 billion.
Salary Cap System
Current plan: A soft cap that allows for exceptions.
Players' offer: More or less, the same as the current plan.
Owners' offer: A flex cap at $62 million. The salary floor, ceiling and exceptions have not been detailed yet.
My plan: A hard cap based on the BRI of the players. That $1.984? That would be used to determine the cap. Take the $1.984 and subtract $150 million for account of player benefits, then divide it by 30 (the amount of teams in the league). That would mean the cap for 2011-2012 would be $61.1 million.
Phase In Period
The hard cap would not take place until 2013-2014, giving NBA teams two full seasons to comply. In the mean time, I will allow teams and players to renegotiate contracts.
For example, Carmelo Anthony is scheduled to make $83 million over the next four seasons. In 2013-2014 when the hard cap is fully implemented, Carmelo could be taking up (nearly) a third the New York Knicks' team cap at $22.4 million. To make up for this, Carmelo and the Knicks could tear up the existing contract and work out a new contract that is for five years-$100 million. $83 million of that is guaranteed, with $75 million being distributed evenly the next five years. The remaining $8 million leftover could be distributed to his salary before the hard cap takes place. So instead of paying Carmelo $22.4 million in 2013-2014, the Knicks would be paying Carmelo $15 million instead. If Carmelo is still going strong in four years, he and the Knicks could renegotiate again for a new contract.
Until the hard cap takes place, I will tax teams over the $67.5 million point (last year's average payroll). This money will be distributed to the teams that did not go over this amount at the end of the season.
Free Agency
With the introduction of a hard cap, the Mid-level exception and Bi-annual exception are eliminated (along with the Luxury tax). There is no set max for a player, so teams are free to pay a player as much as they can. Players re-signing with their own team can sign for up to five years. Players signing with a new team can only get up to four years. This is to help the small market owners, discouraging their players from signing with big market teams. In either case, the first three years of a contract is guaranteed.
Let's use Tyson Chandler as an example. Chandler had a very good season for the Dallas Mavericks and will be an unrestricted free agent. However, he'll be 29 in October and has a history of injuries. To reward Chandler for his work this past season and prevent the Mavs from suffering years down the road, both sides work out a contract that is worth five years-$60 million. Chandler could get $50 million of that guaranteed. The $50 million could be distributed evenly in the lifetime of the five year contract or front-loaded while Chandler is still worth the money to the Mavs.
Revenue Sharing
This is an issue between the owners. Currently, the league gets $7.4 billion from its national television deals and other revenue. My plan will share both ticket sales and local television revenue. This plan will surely anger big market owners, but it will give small market owners a stream of much needed revenue. I'm not sure on exactly how to split the ticket sales and local television revenue though.
Other Issues
Amnesty Clause: This will allow teams to remove a player's contract from the team's salary before the 2011-2012 and the 2013-2014 seasons. The teams must pay the full amount owed to the player.
Buy-Out: We all dislike the time of the season where players can be traded, bought-out by their new team and sign back with their old team. In my plan, I'm disallowing that.
-League: NBA teams can independently operate a D-League team or be assigned to one with another NBA team or two. The D-League will be for free agents looking to catch the eye of a NBA team, players who wouldn't get playing time on their respective NBA team or players coming back from injury. There would be no limitation as far as experience is concerned, so a ten year vet could be placed there.
Draft: I'm on the fence with this one, but prospects must be two years removed from their high school graduating class. This will protect veteran players from getting jobs taken away and give teams more time to evaluate prospects. It's not fair for the elite prospects, but I'm looking out for the league long term.
Rookie Contract: Rookie contracts get decreased by X amount (not sure what % yet). First round picks get four year contracts, with the first two years being guaranteed and the last two being team options. After their rookie contract is up, players are unrestricted free agents.
Sign and trade: Will be allowed, but the player signing the new contract cannot get the five year contract from their new team.
Trades: If two teams agree to a trade, then it can go through as long as it fits under both team's caps.
Basketball Related Income Split
Current plan: Players get 57% of the BRI the form of salaries and benefits
Players' offer: Players have offered to reduce their BRI to 54.3% for the next five years, which is a $100 million reduction each year ($500 million total).
Owners' offer: Owners want to guarantee the players $2 billion each year for the next ten years. This would give the players a 40% guarantee of the BRI.
My plan: Players get 52% of the BRI, while the owners get the left over 48%. For example, this past season the NBA reported a BRI of $3.817 billion. Under my plan, the players would get $1.984 billion of that amount, leaving the owners with $1.833 billion.
Salary Cap System
Current plan: A soft cap that allows for exceptions.
Players' offer: More or less, the same as the current plan.
Owners' offer: A flex cap at $62 million. The salary floor, ceiling and exceptions have not been detailed yet.
My plan: A hard cap based on the BRI of the players. That $1.984? That would be used to determine the cap. Take the $1.984 and subtract $150 million for account of player benefits, then divide it by 30 (the amount of teams in the league). That would mean the cap for 2011-2012 would be $61.1 million.
Phase In Period
The hard cap would not take place until 2013-2014, giving NBA teams two full seasons to comply. In the mean time, I will allow teams and players to renegotiate contracts.
For example, Carmelo Anthony is scheduled to make $83 million over the next four seasons. In 2013-2014 when the hard cap is fully implemented, Carmelo could be taking up (nearly) a third the New York Knicks' team cap at $22.4 million. To make up for this, Carmelo and the Knicks could tear up the existing contract and work out a new contract that is for five years-$100 million. $83 million of that is guaranteed, with $75 million being distributed evenly the next five years. The remaining $8 million leftover could be distributed to his salary before the hard cap takes place. So instead of paying Carmelo $22.4 million in 2013-2014, the Knicks would be paying Carmelo $15 million instead. If Carmelo is still going strong in four years, he and the Knicks could renegotiate again for a new contract.
Until the hard cap takes place, I will tax teams over the $67.5 million point (last year's average payroll). This money will be distributed to the teams that did not go over this amount at the end of the season.
Free Agency
With the introduction of a hard cap, the Mid-level exception and Bi-annual exception are eliminated (along with the Luxury tax). There is no set max for a player, so teams are free to pay a player as much as they can. Players re-signing with their own team can sign for up to five years. Players signing with a new team can only get up to four years. This is to help the small market owners, discouraging their players from signing with big market teams. In either case, the first three years of a contract is guaranteed.
Let's use Tyson Chandler as an example. Chandler had a very good season for the Dallas Mavericks and will be an unrestricted free agent. However, he'll be 29 in October and has a history of injuries. To reward Chandler for his work this past season and prevent the Mavs from suffering years down the road, both sides work out a contract that is worth five years-$60 million. Chandler could get $50 million of that guaranteed. The $50 million could be distributed evenly in the lifetime of the five year contract or front-loaded while Chandler is still worth the money to the Mavs.
Revenue Sharing
This is an issue between the owners. Currently, the league gets $7.4 billion from its national television deals and other revenue. My plan will share both ticket sales and local television revenue. This plan will surely anger big market owners, but it will give small market owners a stream of much needed revenue. I'm not sure on exactly how to split the ticket sales and local television revenue though.
Other Issues
Amnesty Clause: This will allow teams to remove a player's contract from the team's salary before the 2011-2012 and the 2013-2014 seasons. The teams must pay the full amount owed to the player.
Buy-Out: We all dislike the time of the season where players can be traded, bought-out by their new team and sign back with their old team. In my plan, I'm disallowing that.
-League: NBA teams can independently operate a D-League team or be assigned to one with another NBA team or two. The D-League will be for free agents looking to catch the eye of a NBA team, players who wouldn't get playing time on their respective NBA team or players coming back from injury. There would be no limitation as far as experience is concerned, so a ten year vet could be placed there.
Draft: I'm on the fence with this one, but prospects must be two years removed from their high school graduating class. This will protect veteran players from getting jobs taken away and give teams more time to evaluate prospects. It's not fair for the elite prospects, but I'm looking out for the league long term.
Rookie Contract: Rookie contracts get decreased by X amount (not sure what % yet). First round picks get four year contracts, with the first two years being guaranteed and the last two being team options. After their rookie contract is up, players are unrestricted free agents.
Sign and trade: Will be allowed, but the player signing the new contract cannot get the five year contract from their new team.
Trades: If two teams agree to a trade, then it can go through as long as it fits under both team's caps.
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This is a CBA plan I wrote up. After reviewing it, I think it favors the owners more than the players. I'm sure there are holes in my plan, so bear with me if you choose read through it. Let me know what you guys think.
Spoiler [+]
THE PMATIC PLAN
Basketball Related Income Split
Current plan: Players get 57% of the BRI the form of salaries and benefits
Players' offer: Players have offered to reduce their BRI to 54.3% for the next five years, which is a $100 million reduction each year ($500 million total).
Owners' offer: Owners want to guarantee the players $2 billion each year for the next ten years. This would give the players a 40% guarantee of the BRI.
My plan: Players get 52% of the BRI, while the owners get the left over 48%. For example, this past season the NBA reported a BRI of $3.817 billion. Under my plan, the players would get $1.984 billion of that amount, leaving the owners with $1.833 billion.
Salary Cap System
Current plan: A soft cap that allows for exceptions.
Players' offer: More or less, the same as the current plan.
Owners' offer: A flex cap at $62 million. The salary floor, ceiling and exceptions have not been detailed yet.
My plan: A hard cap based on the BRI of the players. That $1.984? That would be used to determine the cap. Take the $1.984 and subtract $150 million for account of player benefits, then divide it by 30 (the amount of teams in the league). That would mean the cap for 2011-2012 would be $61.1 million.
Phase In Period
The hard cap would not take place until 2013-2014, giving NBA teams two full seasons to comply. In the mean time, I will allow teams and players to renegotiate contracts.
For example, Carmelo Anthony is scheduled to make $83 million over the next four seasons. In 2013-2014 when the hard cap is fully implemented, Carmelo could be taking up (nearly) a third the New York Knicks' team cap at $22.4 million. To make up for this, Carmelo and the Knicks could tear up the existing contract and work out a new contract that is for five years-$100 million. $83 million of that is guaranteed, with $75 million being distributed evenly the next five years. The remaining $8 million leftover could be distributed to his salary before the hard cap takes place. So instead of paying Carmelo $22.4 million in 2013-2014, the Knicks would be paying Carmelo $15 million instead. If Carmelo is still going strong in four years, he and the Knicks could renegotiate again for a new contract.
Until the hard cap takes place, I will tax teams over the $67.5 million point (last year's average payroll). This money will be distributed to the teams that did not go over this amount at the end of the season.
Free Agency
With the introduction of a hard cap, the Mid-level exception and Bi-annual exception are eliminated (along with the Luxury tax). There is no set max for a player, so teams are free to pay a player as much as they can. Players re-signing with their own team can sign for up to five years. Players signing with a new team can only get up to four years. This is to help the small market owners, discouraging their players from signing with big market teams. In either case, the first three years of a contract is guaranteed.
Let's use Tyson Chandler as an example. Chandler had a very good season for the Dallas Mavericks and will be an unrestricted free agent. However, he'll be 29 in October and has a history of injuries. To reward Chandler for his work this past season and prevent the Mavs from suffering years down the road, both sides work out a contract that is worth five years-$60 million. Chandler could get $50 million of that guaranteed. The $50 million could be distributed evenly in the lifetime of the five year contract or front-loaded while Chandler is still worth the money to the Mavs.
Revenue Sharing
This is an issue between the owners. Currently, the league gets $7.4 billion from its national television deals and other revenue. My plan will share both ticket sales and local television revenue. This plan will surely anger big market owners, but it will give small market owners a stream of much needed revenue. I'm not sure on exactly how to split the ticket sales and local television revenue though.
Other Issues
Amnesty Clause: This will allow teams to remove a player's contract from the team's salary before the 2011-2012 and the 2013-2014 seasons. The teams must pay the full amount owed to the player.
Buy-Out: We all dislike the time of the season where players can be traded, bought-out by their new team and sign back with their old team. In my plan, I'm disallowing that.
-League: NBA teams can independently operate a D-League team or be assigned to one with another NBA team or two. The D-League will be for free agents looking to catch the eye of a NBA team, players who wouldn't get playing time on their respective NBA team or players coming back from injury. There would be no limitation as far as experience is concerned, so a ten year vet could be placed there.
Draft: I'm on the fence with this one, but prospects must be two years removed from their high school graduating class. This will protect veteran players from getting jobs taken away and give teams more time to evaluate prospects. It's not fair for the elite prospects, but I'm looking out for the league long term.
Rookie Contract: Rookie contracts get decreased by X amount (not sure what % yet). First round picks get four year contracts, with the first two years being guaranteed and the last two being team options. After their rookie contract is up, players are unrestricted free agents.
Sign and trade: Will be allowed, but the player signing the new contract cannot get the five year contract from their new team.
Trades: If two teams agree to a trade, then it can go through as long as it fits under both team's caps.
Basketball Related Income Split
Current plan: Players get 57% of the BRI the form of salaries and benefits
Players' offer: Players have offered to reduce their BRI to 54.3% for the next five years, which is a $100 million reduction each year ($500 million total).
Owners' offer: Owners want to guarantee the players $2 billion each year for the next ten years. This would give the players a 40% guarantee of the BRI.
My plan: Players get 52% of the BRI, while the owners get the left over 48%. For example, this past season the NBA reported a BRI of $3.817 billion. Under my plan, the players would get $1.984 billion of that amount, leaving the owners with $1.833 billion.
Salary Cap System
Current plan: A soft cap that allows for exceptions.
Players' offer: More or less, the same as the current plan.
Owners' offer: A flex cap at $62 million. The salary floor, ceiling and exceptions have not been detailed yet.
My plan: A hard cap based on the BRI of the players. That $1.984? That would be used to determine the cap. Take the $1.984 and subtract $150 million for account of player benefits, then divide it by 30 (the amount of teams in the league). That would mean the cap for 2011-2012 would be $61.1 million.
Phase In Period
The hard cap would not take place until 2013-2014, giving NBA teams two full seasons to comply. In the mean time, I will allow teams and players to renegotiate contracts.
For example, Carmelo Anthony is scheduled to make $83 million over the next four seasons. In 2013-2014 when the hard cap is fully implemented, Carmelo could be taking up (nearly) a third the New York Knicks' team cap at $22.4 million. To make up for this, Carmelo and the Knicks could tear up the existing contract and work out a new contract that is for five years-$100 million. $83 million of that is guaranteed, with $75 million being distributed evenly the next five years. The remaining $8 million leftover could be distributed to his salary before the hard cap takes place. So instead of paying Carmelo $22.4 million in 2013-2014, the Knicks would be paying Carmelo $15 million instead. If Carmelo is still going strong in four years, he and the Knicks could renegotiate again for a new contract.
Until the hard cap takes place, I will tax teams over the $67.5 million point (last year's average payroll). This money will be distributed to the teams that did not go over this amount at the end of the season.
Free Agency
With the introduction of a hard cap, the Mid-level exception and Bi-annual exception are eliminated (along with the Luxury tax). There is no set max for a player, so teams are free to pay a player as much as they can. Players re-signing with their own team can sign for up to five years. Players signing with a new team can only get up to four years. This is to help the small market owners, discouraging their players from signing with big market teams. In either case, the first three years of a contract is guaranteed.
Let's use Tyson Chandler as an example. Chandler had a very good season for the Dallas Mavericks and will be an unrestricted free agent. However, he'll be 29 in October and has a history of injuries. To reward Chandler for his work this past season and prevent the Mavs from suffering years down the road, both sides work out a contract that is worth five years-$60 million. Chandler could get $50 million of that guaranteed. The $50 million could be distributed evenly in the lifetime of the five year contract or front-loaded while Chandler is still worth the money to the Mavs.
Revenue Sharing
This is an issue between the owners. Currently, the league gets $7.4 billion from its national television deals and other revenue. My plan will share both ticket sales and local television revenue. This plan will surely anger big market owners, but it will give small market owners a stream of much needed revenue. I'm not sure on exactly how to split the ticket sales and local television revenue though.
Other Issues
Amnesty Clause: This will allow teams to remove a player's contract from the team's salary before the 2011-2012 and the 2013-2014 seasons. The teams must pay the full amount owed to the player.
Buy-Out: We all dislike the time of the season where players can be traded, bought-out by their new team and sign back with their old team. In my plan, I'm disallowing that.
-League: NBA teams can independently operate a D-League team or be assigned to one with another NBA team or two. The D-League will be for free agents looking to catch the eye of a NBA team, players who wouldn't get playing time on their respective NBA team or players coming back from injury. There would be no limitation as far as experience is concerned, so a ten year vet could be placed there.
Draft: I'm on the fence with this one, but prospects must be two years removed from their high school graduating class. This will protect veteran players from getting jobs taken away and give teams more time to evaluate prospects. It's not fair for the elite prospects, but I'm looking out for the league long term.
Rookie Contract: Rookie contracts get decreased by X amount (not sure what % yet). First round picks get four year contracts, with the first two years being guaranteed and the last two being team options. After their rookie contract is up, players are unrestricted free agents.
Sign and trade: Will be allowed, but the player signing the new contract cannot get the five year contract from their new team.
Trades: If two teams agree to a trade, then it can go through as long as it fits under both team's caps.
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this cba thing looks more serious than the nfl and looks like it will cost the league some time
... but if the league really voids everyones contracts can you imagine the draft
and if lebron went back to cleveland
... i wonder if the city would even accept him back... this better not happen though because this would mess my team up the knicks by getting rid of melo and amare
... stern and the owners need to stop playing and start negotiating with the players already and get this thing done
