The Official NBA Season Thread: Schedules Released

[lovehateself]

Under( on top or behind) Draya, became a solid defender too. Now he's 22, and got some seasons under his belt. His talent cant be denied. He just has to be consistent and more effiecient. But 3 years in, most young SGs aren't. Especially with a team as bad as Houston was.

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[RustyShackleford]

The Jays have certainly upset some people over the past 2-3 months.

You love to see it.

What people have they upset?

 

[lovehateself]

yep, these guys are ona roll

 

[JMB10215]

The Jays have certainly upset some people over the past 2-3 months.

You love to see it.

Trust me lol only people upset are Boston and Tatum fans. Did you watch the playoffs or the Olympics? Just enjoy your ring while you can buddy

 

[Blue Mamba]

What people have they upset?

In general I’ve never seen this much hate for a team that has won a championship. It’s like people couldn’t even process that they were gonna win

 

[osh kosh bosh]

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Yeah thats where i see it different. Kidd and Payton werent as good at shooting as Nash, thats it. Sure those advance stats may say otherwise, but Kidd and GP were far from average when it came to running an offense and im not seeing this gap between them and Nash offensively.

I didn't say Kidd and GP were average, I think they are good, but Nash is a game breaker. When Kidd was the primary offensive engine he basically never had a truly elite offense. most of the time they were below league average, often well below. Usually in the 20s.

This is over multiple franchises, multiple sets of teammates,
I think it's fair to say that despite Kidd's passing, his limitations as a shooter and scorer made so you probably weren't generating elite offense.

GP was better, drove more elite offenses. But again the scale of impact is just wildly different. GP had top 5 offenses, Nash had top 5 all time league history offenses.

Its evident by both of them leading there teams further than Nash did with arguably less talent to work with. If Nash is leading 6 of the 10 greatest offenses of all time, according to some out of context metric, maybe that defense mattered a little more than your pretending it did if he couldnt get his teams as far as the "good" offensive guys from Oakland did. Not to mention both were able to contribute to a ring once past their prime. Nash left Phoenix and fell apart. So team wise and it is a team game, both accomplished more as both the main guy and role players.

We are talking about the greats off all time. Literally who cares about whatever they did as ring chasing old players.

I care about at their best who was better. Not who managed to hang on. And grab a ring at the end.

Also how far they led them in the playoffs is a much smaller sample and far more contextual, Kidd and GP plays in weak conferences at the time.

The fact that Kidd was able to get to the finals in some of the weakest eastern conferences in history means very little to me. And the west was weaker in GPd era.

Defense matters, but PG defense matters but so much. It's just fundamentally an offensive position.

Im not a Nash hater either. Im one of the few who thinks he fully deserved both his MVP's. But im going with the more complete players. GP ill admit its more a matter of preference, id rather not have to hide a guy on defense if i dont have to. Kidd its a no brainer. I recently was shocked to learn lebron in 20 seasons still hasnt caught him in triple doubles. After Magic no one ran the break as well. Kidd gets slept on.

Yah it's a PG tho, it's just not that hard to hide a PG.

Suns were league average defense despite playing Amar'e at Center. I just don't think there's much evidence that Nash was such a huge liability.

 

[elpablo21]

We've never seen a team get as much hate as the 2024 Celtics?

 

[getback]

Trust me lol only people upset are Boston and Tatum fans. Did you watch the playoffs or the Olympics? Just enjoy your ring while you can buddy

I did watch all of the above. Championship and gold medal. Tremendous achievements for that kid

and I don't think I get a ring. I'll check with Wyc on that though.

Buddy.

 

[WASHED KING]

We've never seen a team get as much hate as the 2024 Celtics?

2020 Lakers would like a word.

 

[getback]

What people have they upset?

Go read comments on social media I'm sure you'll stumble upon a few to a few thousand people irrationally hating and minimizing dubs. It's not a big secret.

 

[RustyShackleford]

In general I’ve never seen this much hate for a team that has won a championship. It’s like people couldn’t even process that they were gonna win

This has to be a joke post

 

[Maximus Meridius]

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[elpablo21]

2020 Lakers would like a word.

This is the healthy thread you wanted

 

[WASHED KING]

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AI*

 

[RustyShackleford]

Go read comments on social media I'm sure you'll stumble upon a few to a few thousand people irrationally hating and minimizing dubs. It's not a big secret.

Oh ok, so randoms on social media

 

[Maximus Meridius]

In general I’ve never seen this much hate for a team that has won a championship. It’s like people couldn’t even process that they were gonna win

I don't even think the hardcore Celtics fans in here agree with this.

Any Kobe or LeBron team. I'll even throw in the Warriors with KD. This Celtics team ain't seen no real hate.

 

[DCAllAfrican]

In general I’ve never seen this much hate for a team that has won a championship.

Come on man.

 

[getback]

Oh ok, so randoms on social media

Yes. Some NTers are definitely toeing the line too

 

[addict4sneakers]

Rudy Gobert in a nutshell

 

[WASHED KING]

This is the healthy thread you wanted

I'm an agent of chaos.

 

[RustyShackleford]

Rudy Gobert in a nutshell

Mans started the fight moving like Pernell Whitaker, and ended it looking like Rolly Romero

 

[JMB10215]

Jayson Tatum is the first player to lose aura post championship. Bro is a meme

 

[Maximus Meridius]

Rudy Gobert in a nutshell

He did the Steven Segal come and get me and ended up leaking

 

[DCAllAfrican]

 

[Maximus Meridius]

Jayson Tatum is the first player to lose aura post championship. Bro is a meme

He need to drop his career high next time they play the warriors. Only way to redeem himself.