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Embiid is top 5
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He should be. But he isn’t. Can’t stay healthy. Can’t get to the conference finals. Comes up small when you need him. Same thing every year.
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Brunson repeats this passed season or stays on a similar level and he's got a great top 5 case.
He's the main reason that team was competitive in the postseason imo
I can't put him ahead of Embiid yet
He's the main reason that team was competitive in the postseason imo
I can't put him ahead of Embiid yet
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Semi-long read but it's about the wild extent that the Chicago scorekeeper juiced MJ's steal/block stats to get him the '88 DPOY. 
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A closer look at Michael Jordan's 1988 DPOY award raises questions about its validity. Has LeBron James been chasing a ghost?
New research reveals Jordan's Defensive Player of the Year season likely included home-biased stats.
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Joker
Giannis
Luka
SGA
Brunson/Lebron
Giannis
Luka
SGA
Brunson/Lebron
elpablo21
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Using the last couple years
1. Joker
2a. Giannis
2b. Luka
3a. SGA
3b. AD
4a. Steph
4b. Tatum
4c. Bron
5a. Ant
5b. Brunson
5c. KD
Healthy Embiid in the the 3 tier but he's never healthy
Healthy Kawhi is in the 4 tier but he's never healthy
1. Joker
2a. Giannis
2b. Luka
3a. SGA
3b. AD
4a. Steph
4b. Tatum
4c. Bron
5a. Ant
5b. Brunson
5c. KD
Healthy Embiid in the the 3 tier but he's never healthy
Healthy Kawhi is in the 4 tier but he's never healthy
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Maybe I'm a hater but I personally can't rationalize putting any of these young bucks outside the top 5 ahead of Bron, Steve and KD when everyone's healthy
I'm not interested in the analytics, the eye test won't let me
Even AD is still up there imo
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Yea, same way Stockton's home score keeper did the same with his steals/assists.Semi-long read but it's about the wild extent that the Chicago scorekeeper juiced MJ's steal/block stats to get him the '88 DPOY.
A closer look at Michael Jordan's 1988 DPOY award raises questions about its validity. Has LeBron James been chasing a ghost?
New research reveals Jordan's Defensive Player of the Year season likely included home-biased stats.
Good read though.
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Ant hasnt shown enough to be top 10 even. Way too early for that.
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Bron KD and Steph combined to win 1 playoff game this season. It’s a new day.Maybe I'm a hater but I personally can't rationalize putting any of these young bucks outside the top 5 ahead of Bron, Steve and KD when everyone's healthy
I'm not interested in the analytics, the eye test won't let me
Even AD is still up there imo
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That's down to the futility of their respective teams though
, we're talking players individually no?Swap them out with the trending upwards young guys on those same teams and they'd get just as far if jot further
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Yall serious about Brunson being top 5?
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100% top 10 rn, it's not easy bringing the Knicks back
What he's done has been nothing short of amazing tbh
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He was at 27/7/6 on 48/40/80 splits at 22 years old and played great defense up until the WCF. He averaged 30 the year before in the playoffs. 6 apg at 22 and he ain’t even a good playmaker yet.
The roof is the ceiling.
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Whole reason Wemby is legitimately Top 20 alreadyThat's down to the futility of their respective teams though
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You think Bron more effective than KD?
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Semi-long read but it's about the wild extent that the Chicago scorekeeper juiced MJ's steal/block stats to get him the '88 DPOY.
A closer look at Michael Jordan's 1988 DPOY award raises questions about its validity. Has LeBron James been chasing a ghost?
New research reveals Jordan's Defensive Player of the Year season likely included home-biased stats.
Imo any gaurd DPOY win is fundamentally suspect but still...this is wild.
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Yea with these top 5/10 discussions I don't really give team success the same weight that it has when we're talking about players legacies/all time rankings.
Top 5/10 is strictly about individual ability/skill/production in a vacuum for me
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KD is the better scorer and better defender at this point in their careers but I think Bron possesses some playmaking that even at his age is more impactful than KD.
Not some crazy gap between these guys though
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Nah man a top 5 player is winning you an opening round series. Lebron had AD too. KD had Booker too. The rules don’t change because they are legends.That's down to the futility of their respective teams though
Swap them out with the trending upwards young guy's on those same teams and they'll get just as far
Top 5 = getting you HC and winning an opening round series IMO
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I didn't say they're top 5 though, I don't think they are at this stage in their careers.
Just that I can't put some of these other young guys ahead of them just because their teams suck
They're all in my top 10 still
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He's legit. Idk I gotta see more team success with him as the guy. Def top 5 potential.
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Need some free agent drops to stop this list talk
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