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^ The same thing goes for "academic scholarships" for students who dont end up amounting to anything
The U.... vol. Death Penalty?
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Originally Posted by 5am6oody72
I never said these guys didn't work hard, because I know that they do. My point was that all that hard work still isn't translating to results on the field and earning money for the school, which is the argument that was being made. If someone's benefits package is directly correlating to their value to the school, a lot of guys are overpaid.Originally Posted by PleaseSayTheBaby23
you seriously must not be a college athlete or know one!
them 60+ players that you think sit on the bench and get a free ride for 4 years put in work that 90% of the world wouldnt do AT ALL!
they practice in the heat during 3 a days
they have to learn a playbook thats thicker then every Harry Potter book put together
they wake up at 5am when you sleep running sprints and up downs till 10 then go straight to class and when they come back from class they have film mettings
they have to attend meetings and practice 6 days out of the week AND STILL GO TO CLASS
they have to get hit and ran over constantly by some of the best players in the nation.......(can you imagine being a tackling dummy or drill buddy with Trent Richardson from Bama?
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just a month of that will put a tear on your body physically and mentally (you see the NFL players are trying hard not to add extra games)
you cant just look at what goes on on Saturday! Look at what each player commits to behind the scenes and the amount of time and work they put in from the starters to the 3rd string to the walk ons.....its no where near a free ride!
Then on top of that ask your self......where do they have time to work a part time job to put money in the pocket? they dont!.....most of these players come from single parent homes and cant call mom or dad for a few $100 and dont have time to work a job like the average college student........so why not reward them? just saying
While I wasn't obligated to do anything physically as taxing as a football player, I still ended up putting in more hours doing work than most of them would put in (football and schoolwork combined). The last two years I was in school I probably averaged 4 hours of sleep a night, and had to stay up for 2-3 days at a time on dozens of occasions. Waking up at 5am? I was usually going to BED at 5am. Even when I'd get home earlier than that I often couldn't get to sleep until 6 or 7 am due to being so wound up. I rarely had time to go out on the weekends and a job was totally out of the question. I had a couple friends that spent far more time at my apartment than I did and they didn't even live there.
All that being said I don't think it's ridiculous for the players to get compensation for what they're doing; but don't act like they don't already have a decent set up. A lot of them wouldn't have a shot at being able to afford a college education or even gain admission academically to some of these places.
That hard work IS translating on the field.......Somebody has to give Trent Richardson reps during practice.......meaning when we hard at practice and my star RB needs to work on running over a defender who is he gonna go against? my star LB on the other side of the ball? heck no cause one of them could get hurt! Thats why the 1s practice against the 2s......the 3rd string WR helps the 1st and 2nd string CB get reps in! Those reps turn into practice! Practice prepare you for the game......so lets say that star RB ran over the other teams LB for a touchdown in the game you dont see how the 2nd string or 3rd string LB in practice helped him out by giving him some work and reps at that technique?........Its deeper then that I just broke it down in a simple way
I can understand you not getting enough sleep and busy doing school work but I hate when some college students talk about I have to study till 6 in the morning no diss to you but that means you need to get your priorities straight! I mean dont they let you pick your classes and times? Dont professors tell you what needs to be done before its due? If you have too much on your plate cut something out! Find a balance...........the football players do school work plus get on the field and bang each others brains 6 days out the week they just have better time management cause they have a whole staff that handles how there schedule goes to find that balance
I will admit they do have some perks and stuff but all that comes with hard work on the field
True! But alot of them academic places wouldnt make the millions on millions if it wasnt for those athletes you see on saturday.....not to mention alot of your average students who choose to go to a certain college because they have some history with a sports team there........I cant count how many times at FSU girls say "O my family grew up watching FSU football and I always wanted to be a Nole" or the dudes who say "Man I remember watching the 1999 championship and how much fun they was having on Tennessee St I knew then I wanted to be a Nole"
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Hey......y'all can shut up now. THis isn't a thread about paying athletes. It's about this bogus story and all these bogus accusations by some scumbag.
[h3]Lucky Strike co-owner said UM President Donna Shalala 'shouldn't be demonized' in infamous photo[/h3]
By now, you've seen the picture or read about it from someone ripping the administration at the University of Miami.
Former booster Nevin Shapiro holding a bowling ball, standing next to former men's basketball coach Frank Haith and UM President Donna Shalala, who is looking down and smiling at what was a $50,000 check the convicted felon made with stolen Ponzi money at Lucky Strike Lanes in Miami Beach back in 2008.
Shapiro told Yahoo! the picture sums up "the whole problem [at UM] right there." Yahoo! Sports columnist Dan Wetzel described Shalala in the picture as having "the promise that thousands might one day turn to millions practically dancing above her head."
But Shapiro's old friend, Lucky Strike co-owner Brian D. Elias, said he wishes somebody from Yahoo! would have called him to ask him about that particular picture. "Because then maybe," Elias said. "the entire country would have a more accurate portrayal of Shalala other than somebody who is in bed with the devil."
Elias, a 49-year old Law School grad of UM, said he was there the night Shapiro presented UM with the $50,000 check because he co-hosted and helped plan the event.
"We were going to introduce Frank Haith and at some point Nevin said, 'Can I have the mic I'd like to say something,'" Elias said. "So he grabbed the mic and literally, spontaneously said 'I'm going to make a donation for what I think was $50,000.'
"We were all stunned. It's funny when you look at the picture, Donna is looking down at the check smiling because I think she was stunned. So naturally, you see the picture and we were all smiling. When you're trying to fundraise and get a check like that, it was a huge success. But I just think the way this picture has been talked about in articles, it demonizes her. And that couldn't be further than the truth."
Among Shapiro's many allegations against the school he supported for years as a booster is that he often treated UM players to food and entertainment at Lucky Strike including current players Ray-Ray Armstrong, Travis Benjamin, Dyron Dye, Sean Spence, Marcus Forston, Jojo Nicolas and Aldarius Johnson.
On at least one occasion according to the Yahoo! story, Shapiro alleges he rang up a bill of $2,114.18 on Sept. 13 to Sept. 15 during a "bowling for dollars" event where he gave players on winning teams $100 each.
Elias said while that may have happened under his nose, he doesn't remember seeing Shapiro at Lucky Strike often with UM players. But he does remember Shapiro ringing up similar tabs while he partied with his girlfriend and others.
"He would go there virtually every weekend to watch college and pro football," Elias said. "It got to a point where we would speak every time I saw him there. We became friends. He may not have been tall in stature. But he had a huge personality. Everybody liked him. People gravitated to him, I'm not talking about football players, I'm talking about people in general. He liked to brag about not just UM [players], but anybody, playing around with Dwyane Wade, Shaq, the Chief of Police. He never ever, ever, mentioned to me he had a tournament bowling for dollars at Lucky Strike in all the times I knew him.
"Now, occasionally I would see a few UM players there. I don't ever recall seeing all the guys he mentioned, usually it was two or three who came to watch football or bowl or whatever. Now, I never collected credit cards, but he never ever told me he paid for them. He never he told me he paid for this bowling for dollars. In seems to me in knowing him and the the way he would talk about all his contacts with famous people he would have said it. But he never mentioned that to me."
Elias said that to his knowledge nobody from Yahoo! contacted him nor anybody on his staff about the allegations made by Shapiro. And he says none of his friends who associated with Shapiro ever imagined he would be involved in such a way with UM players or much less a $930 million Ponzi scheme.
"I never went out with him. But I remember friends tell me all the time that they would go to Club Mansion, Cameo and Nevin was ordering bottles like crazy," Elias said. "That's just what he did for everybody. He was a really generous guy. Obviously if you believe what you read, it was with other people's money. But he was an incredibly generous guy.
"I've met Donna on four or five occasions and what I know of her she had absolutely no idea those funds were from some illegitimate source. I'm a pretty astute guy, I'm not a dope and I was clueless he was running a Ponzi scheme. To say I'm shocked by what I've read would be an understatement."
Read more: http://miamiherald.typepad.com/umia...emonized-in-infamous-photo.html#ixzz1VcKknThT
[h3]Lucky Strike co-owner said UM President Donna Shalala 'shouldn't be demonized' in infamous photo[/h3]
By now, you've seen the picture or read about it from someone ripping the administration at the University of Miami.
Shapiro told Yahoo! the picture sums up "the whole problem [at UM] right there." Yahoo! Sports columnist Dan Wetzel described Shalala in the picture as having "the promise that thousands might one day turn to millions practically dancing above her head."
But Shapiro's old friend, Lucky Strike co-owner Brian D. Elias, said he wishes somebody from Yahoo! would have called him to ask him about that particular picture. "Because then maybe," Elias said. "the entire country would have a more accurate portrayal of Shalala other than somebody who is in bed with the devil."
Elias, a 49-year old Law School grad of UM, said he was there the night Shapiro presented UM with the $50,000 check because he co-hosted and helped plan the event.
"We were going to introduce Frank Haith and at some point Nevin said, 'Can I have the mic I'd like to say something,'" Elias said. "So he grabbed the mic and literally, spontaneously said 'I'm going to make a donation for what I think was $50,000.'
"We were all stunned. It's funny when you look at the picture, Donna is looking down at the check smiling because I think she was stunned. So naturally, you see the picture and we were all smiling. When you're trying to fundraise and get a check like that, it was a huge success. But I just think the way this picture has been talked about in articles, it demonizes her. And that couldn't be further than the truth."
Among Shapiro's many allegations against the school he supported for years as a booster is that he often treated UM players to food and entertainment at Lucky Strike including current players Ray-Ray Armstrong, Travis Benjamin, Dyron Dye, Sean Spence, Marcus Forston, Jojo Nicolas and Aldarius Johnson.
On at least one occasion according to the Yahoo! story, Shapiro alleges he rang up a bill of $2,114.18 on Sept. 13 to Sept. 15 during a "bowling for dollars" event where he gave players on winning teams $100 each.
Elias said while that may have happened under his nose, he doesn't remember seeing Shapiro at Lucky Strike often with UM players. But he does remember Shapiro ringing up similar tabs while he partied with his girlfriend and others.
"He would go there virtually every weekend to watch college and pro football," Elias said. "It got to a point where we would speak every time I saw him there. We became friends. He may not have been tall in stature. But he had a huge personality. Everybody liked him. People gravitated to him, I'm not talking about football players, I'm talking about people in general. He liked to brag about not just UM [players], but anybody, playing around with Dwyane Wade, Shaq, the Chief of Police. He never ever, ever, mentioned to me he had a tournament bowling for dollars at Lucky Strike in all the times I knew him.
"Now, occasionally I would see a few UM players there. I don't ever recall seeing all the guys he mentioned, usually it was two or three who came to watch football or bowl or whatever. Now, I never collected credit cards, but he never ever told me he paid for them. He never he told me he paid for this bowling for dollars. In seems to me in knowing him and the the way he would talk about all his contacts with famous people he would have said it. But he never mentioned that to me."
Elias said that to his knowledge nobody from Yahoo! contacted him nor anybody on his staff about the allegations made by Shapiro. And he says none of his friends who associated with Shapiro ever imagined he would be involved in such a way with UM players or much less a $930 million Ponzi scheme.
"I never went out with him. But I remember friends tell me all the time that they would go to Club Mansion, Cameo and Nevin was ordering bottles like crazy," Elias said. "That's just what he did for everybody. He was a really generous guy. Obviously if you believe what you read, it was with other people's money. But he was an incredibly generous guy.
"I've met Donna on four or five occasions and what I know of her she had absolutely no idea those funds were from some illegitimate source. I'm a pretty astute guy, I'm not a dope and I was clueless he was running a Ponzi scheme. To say I'm shocked by what I've read would be an understatement."
Read more: http://miamiherald.typepad.com/umia...emonized-in-infamous-photo.html#ixzz1VcKknThT
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I was at a Pop Warner preseason game today and there was a guy paying out "bounties"
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Miami Shapiro scandal = scandal about............................................Paying Athletes
Just saying *Kanye shrug*
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Because the kids on academic sholly are actually attending classes and are taking courses harder than Swimming 101.
One has practice commitments and the other has to actually be a student in real courses. It is a trade off.
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Wouldn't it be crazy if the investigation turned up nothing but lies, and nothing happened? Wishful thinking on my part, but could you imagine after all this, it turned out to all be a lie?
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and how would you figure its not?Originally Posted by air max 87
but its not
This dude has no concrete info Video or Audio!
All he has is pictures and phone records that just say when he called!
Like I said......I personally have tons of pictures of me & D1 football players along with jerseys, gloves, and cleats......I can get phone records of texts and phone calls.....I can pull up my bank statements and say "you see that $900 paypal charge on my account? thats when I bought him some Yeezys"! Now say I told you I paid those players I know would you believe me?
basically anyone can do what this dude is doing
on top of that HE IS IN PRISON FOR RUNNING A PONZI SCHEME 4 CRYING OUT! How much attention and special treatment you think he is gettin shown in prison? Alot!
My uncle works at a prison and he tells me all the time how if a inmate gets popular or has a well known status HE CANT BE IN GENERAL POPULATION! which in prison is the best thing you can have happen to you! you dont have to fight for your life, you dont have to sleep with one eye open, & you dont have to worry about choosing a gang......its just you by yourself......cant even front if I was him I would be doin the same thing he got nothing to lose and everything to gain inside of there......20 years in general pop?
Now say I told you I paid those players I know would you believe me?
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Yahoo wouldn't post up a lengthy article about it if they weren't completely sure that a good majority of it was true.
USC thought they might be in the clear, and compared to the Miami scandal, theirs was nothing.
USC thought they might be in the clear, and compared to the Miami scandal, theirs was nothing.
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honestly man I see his statements being 30% true.....I feel like he did have a little interaction with the older players back in '04 '05 '06 but no contact with the new era of Canes from like 2007 til now
and I feel the NCAA is gonna hit us harder then what we deserve cause it wont look good in the public eye just letting us off with scholarships taken
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Im thinking when it's all said and done they are going to lose scholarships, and be bowl ineligible for 2-3 years.
Remember last time this happened to Miami in the late 90s, they lost 31 scholarships over 3 years, and were bowl ineligible one year, yet they came back with Butch Davis and won a title a few years later.
Remember last time this happened to Miami in the late 90s, they lost 31 scholarships over 3 years, and were bowl ineligible one year, yet they came back with Butch Davis and won a title a few years later.
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this aint the 90s anymore man.....different breed out here
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true but Florida is still where you find the best players
so if we just stay in florida and get our O line from up north we will be fine
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Olivier Vernon cleared by the NCAA.
#StandwiththeU
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I might be wrong, but hasn't Miami been located in Florida since joining the ACC? Haven't done @++# since then. I don't see things turning around after this.
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We dont recruit like we use to which Al Golden is trying to get back started! Bringing back the state of Miami
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Tyrone moss clearing up his statements. Said he never took $1000 from Shapiro or was on his boT
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The audio came out with him saying he did take the money.
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Anybody got the video of the news doin a interview with shapiro from prison?
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Tyrone Moss
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Now Moss is saying Shapiro threatened him and his family.
“Look, Nevin threatened me, threatened my family. His lawyer sent me letters. I panicked. I thought Nevin just needed some quotes for the book he said he was writing. I figured if I answered a couple of questions the way he wanted, this would all be over and I wouldn’t have to worry about it anymore. I didn’t know this was going to turn into some big case against Miami. It was so long ago I didn’t think it would matter if I lied. I wish I’d never given the interview now. Let me be clear. I didn’t take money and I didn’t take benefits from Nevin Shapiro. We used to see the guy when we’d go clubbing and stuff. Dude was everywhere. But I didn’t take anything from him.
“Look, Nevin threatened me, threatened my family. His lawyer sent me letters. I panicked. I thought Nevin just needed some quotes for the book he said he was writing. I figured if I answered a couple of questions the way he wanted, this would all be over and I wouldn’t have to worry about it anymore. I didn’t know this was going to turn into some big case against Miami. It was so long ago I didn’t think it would matter if I lied. I wish I’d never given the interview now. Let me be clear. I didn’t take money and I didn’t take benefits from Nevin Shapiro. We used to see the guy when we’d go clubbing and stuff. Dude was everywhere. But I didn’t take anything from him.
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Dude is nuts.
