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Curry is 100% in my top 100.i had to cut off at 60.
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There's not gonna be anymore sports the rest of 2020 imo. A couple of my buddies that are doctors are telling me to not be surprised if we are still without sports into early next year. So many complications and risk with them constantly traveling and going through airports. If one guy gets it again you have to shut the entire league down again.
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He's got 2 jerseys hanging at Staples, so 2 spots on your next 10 list. I see you, giving the nod to both #8 and #24.
do work son
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you were making sense until the end. to say harden as an individual is not on par with other individuals because other individuals have greater team achievements loses me. last year is a perfect example of this.
28.5/9.8/4.2 on 43/36/91
34.8/7/5.5 on 44/35/82
those stat lines are both against the warriors. in the finals, KD played 12 minutes. klay sat game 3, and tore his acl with 2 minutes to go in the 3rd quarter of game 6 (warriors only lost by 4). raptors win, kawhi is a champion.
KD ruptures his achilles with 2 minutes to go in game 5, sits game 6. no other notable injuries for the warriors. every game decided by 6 points or less. 6 game series decided by 11 points. the rockets lost to a better team. it happens. losing a close series =/= choking.
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I had Harden, but thinking about it more, Kawhi, Wade and Nash would all be just as deserving.
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You also had Kobe twice
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Damn I completely forgot about Wade. I take back what I said about Harden or Westbrook getting the last spot in my post. 3 rings gotta put him in there.
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Damn there's Iverson and Kidd too.
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Sheesh old man Bron has been around
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Kidd not getting in the top 10. Maybe Top 20.
Iverson an interesting one. Probably put him neck and neck with Harden.
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Iverson and harden is a good comp. AI is one of the goats but nobody acts like he was better than what he was
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I’m stuck in the house and off work, because I go to sleep early as hell barely watched any basketball.
now that I got all the time I can’t watch a single minute
now that I got all the time I can’t watch a single minute
darthska
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That's a whole lot of words that didn't negate my point.
I said that we can't say that a player has led his team to a place that he hasn't, and so far you haven't refuted that.
James Har_en has not led his team to an NBA title, or even a WCF title. He has not been on a team that went that far with him being the leader of the team. This is just a factual statement. So no, to that extent, we can't make up rules and say that he's on par with someone else who was on a team that went that far while being the leader of that team. Yes it's a team accomplishment, but marginalizing stats and isolating single series' still doesn't speak to the overall point that he has not been on a team that has won an NBA title with him as the leader, or even been to the Finals with him as the leader. That just hasn't happened, and it has happened with others.
And if his style of play continues, it won't ever happen, so be prepared for that argument during his retirement ceremony.
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They’re both in the 10 after the next 10, IMO.
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Kidd is one of the 60 best, guys.
Stop it.
Stop it.
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Kidd being on the next 10.
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Jason Kidd has been a hot topic this week after not being talked about since everybody said he was gonna take Vogel’s job. So random
do work son
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That's a whole lot of words that didn't negate my point. In fact, it didn't negate anyone's point. It's more just your random commentary that Harden wasn't won a WCF. Your argument essentially boils down to "player a and b are the best players on their team. player a's team won the wcf. player b's team did not. player a > player b". that's inherently flawed logic that ignores everyone else on the floor.
You're intentionally stripping away critical context to make your point. I've already highlighted the flaw in that logic with the Kawhi comparison from just last season. Both players played the same team, except kawhi had the luxury of no KD, and Klay missing time before ultimately tearing his ACL. with that, the raptors still barely squeaked out a game 6 win to clinch the series. If KD is healthy, the warriors probably win that series in 5. If Klay is healthy, the series probably goes 7 and the warriors have a good shot of winning. Instead, neither is healthy and the raptors win. Kawhi gets a ring. congrats to him.
harden puts up the same numbers kawhi does against a healthier and better version of the warriors, with a worse supporting cast than the raptors had, loses a close series, and it's treated as if he choked. that's just complete hyperbole, and it doesn't provide for any meaningful discussion. The more rational takeaway is that he played well and lost. it really isn't deeper than that. like I said it a few days ago, he definitely has his share of playoff clunkers to cite to, but using that series to support an argument that harden is a choker is just poor logic.
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Kidd isn't better than CP3, Nash, or Harden as far as PGs, let alone players at other positions.
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Jason Kidd has been a hot topic this week after not being talked about since everybody said he was gonna take Vogel’s job. So random
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