THEE OFFICIAL 2019-2020 NBA OFFSEASON THREAD: VICTORY LAP

Which team is most overrated? (Pick two)

  • Clippers

  • Celtics

  • Seventy Sixers

  • Bucks

  • Rockets

  • Nuggets

  • Jazz

  • Nets

  • Warriors

  • Pacers


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NBA were to add to the next 10 to top 50

who would be on that list
Bron
KD
Steph
Bean
Timmy
Dirk
AI
Nash
CP
Harden or Westbrook. Russ has prettier basic stats. Harden has prettier advanced stats.
Wade
 
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Curry is 100% in my top 100.i had to cut off at 60.
 
Dang breh. Season really night get cancelled


There's not gonna be anymore sports the rest of 2020 imo. A couple of my buddies that are doctors are telling me to not be surprised if we are still without sports into early next year. So many complications and risk with them constantly traveling and going through airports. If one guy gets it again you have to shut the entire league down again.
 
I agree that it's not fair to the rest of the team to attribute a championship or even a dynasty to just one person like how people say that the Bulls 6 are just because of Jordan. So similarly, it's not fair to attribute a loss to 1 player.

At the same time, though, we do say that players led teams to championships. Jordan didn't win those 6 by himself, but he did lead the team to 6 championships, in that they won the championship 6 times and he was clearly the team's leader. So we can't say that someone did something that they didn't do; we can't say that James Har_en has led his team to a title, or even a WCF title.

We just can't say he has lead his team there, or pretend that he's on par with others who have led their team to places that he has not led his team.

you were making sense until the end. to say harden as an individual is not on par with other individuals because other individuals have greater team achievements loses me. last year is a perfect example of this.

28.5/9.8/4.2 on 43/36/91
34.8/7/5.5 on 44/35/82

those stat lines are both against the warriors. in the finals, KD played 12 minutes. klay sat game 3, and tore his acl with 2 minutes to go in the 3rd quarter of game 6 (warriors only lost by 4). raptors win, kawhi is a champion.

KD ruptures his achilles with 2 minutes to go in game 5, sits game 6. no other notable injuries for the warriors. every game decided by 6 points or less. 6 game series decided by 11 points. the rockets lost to a better team. it happens. losing a close series =/= choking.
 
I had Harden, but thinking about it more, Kawhi, Wade and Nash would all be just as deserving.
Damn I completely forgot about Wade. I take back what I said about Harden or Westbrook getting the last spot in my post. 3 rings gotta put him in there.
 
I’m stuck in the house and off work, because I go to sleep early as hell barely watched any basketball.

now that I got all the time I can’t watch a single minute

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you were making sense until the end. to say harden as an individual is not on par with other individuals because other individuals have greater team achievements loses me. last year is a perfect example of this.

28.5/9.8/4.2 on 43/36/91
34.8/7/5.5 on 44/35/82

those stat lines are both against the warriors. in the finals, KD played 12 minutes. klay sat game 3, and tore his acl with 2 minutes to go in the 3rd quarter of game 6 (warriors only lost by 4). raptors win, kawhi is a champion.

KD ruptures his achilles with 2 minutes to go in game 5, sits game 6. no other notable injuries for the warriors. every game decided by 6 points or less. 6 game series decided by 11 points. the rockets lost to a better team. it happens. losing a close series =/= choking.
That's a whole lot of words that didn't negate my point.

I said that we can't say that a player has led his team to a place that he hasn't, and so far you haven't refuted that.

James Har_en has not led his team to an NBA title, or even a WCF title. He has not been on a team that went that far with him being the leader of the team. This is just a factual statement. So no, to that extent, we can't make up rules and say that he's on par with someone else who was on a team that went that far while being the leader of that team. Yes it's a team accomplishment, but marginalizing stats and isolating single series' still doesn't speak to the overall point that he has not been on a team that has won an NBA title with him as the leader, or even been to the Finals with him as the leader. That just hasn't happened, and it has happened with others.

And if his style of play continues, it won't ever happen, so be prepared for that argument during his retirement ceremony.
 
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That's a whole lot of words that didn't negate my point.

I said that we can't say that a player has led his team to a place that he hasn't, and so far you haven't refuted that.

James Har_en has not led his team to an NBA title, or even a WCF title. He has not been on a team that went that far with him being the leader of the team. This is just a factual statement. So no, to that extent, we can't make up rules and say that he's on par with someone else who was on a team that went that far while being the leader of that team. Yes it's a team accomplishment, but marginalizing stats and isolating single series' still doesn't speak to the overall point that he has not been on a team that has won an NBA title with him as the leader, or even been to the Finals with him as the leader. That just hasn't happened, and it has happened with others.

And if his style of play continues, it won't ever happen, so be prepared for that argument during his retirement ceremony.

That's a whole lot of words that didn't negate my point. In fact, it didn't negate anyone's point. It's more just your random commentary that Harden wasn't won a WCF. Your argument essentially boils down to "player a and b are the best players on their team. player a's team won the wcf. player b's team did not. player a > player b". that's inherently flawed logic that ignores everyone else on the floor.

You're intentionally stripping away critical context to make your point. I've already highlighted the flaw in that logic with the Kawhi comparison from just last season. Both players played the same team, except kawhi had the luxury of no KD, and Klay missing time before ultimately tearing his ACL. with that, the raptors still barely squeaked out a game 6 win to clinch the series. If KD is healthy, the warriors probably win that series in 5. If Klay is healthy, the series probably goes 7 and the warriors have a good shot of winning. Instead, neither is healthy and the raptors win. Kawhi gets a ring. congrats to him.

harden puts up the same numbers kawhi does against a healthier and better version of the warriors, with a worse supporting cast than the raptors had, loses a close series, and it's treated as if he choked. that's just complete hyperbole, and it doesn't provide for any meaningful discussion. The more rational takeaway is that he played well and lost. it really isn't deeper than that. like I said it a few days ago, he definitely has his share of playoff clunkers to cite to, but using that series to support an argument that harden is a choker is just poor logic.
 
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