Tomorrow is 9/11

[roc4life24]

Originally Posted by A Beautiful Wave

Originally Posted by bijald0331

In 2008, Zdeněk P. Bažant, Professor of Civil Engineering and Materials Science at Northwestern University, published with three coauthors a paper to examine whether allegations of controlled demolition might be scientifically justifiable. They found that the available video records are not consistent with the free fall hypothesis, that the size of the concrete particles is consistent with comminution caused by impact, and that the high velocity of compressed air explains why material from the towers were ejected to a distance of several hundred meters from the tower. The authors conclude that the allegations of controlled demolition do not have any scientific merit.[46] A spokesman for NIST said that any sightings of molten metal, including metal seen pouring from the South tower, were likely molten aluminum from the airplane, an explanation disputed by Richard Gage who stated that the colour of the molten metal rules out aluminum.[47] "Basically, gravity and the utter force of the upper floors forced the towers down," said NIST spokesperson Michael Newman.



I'm undergrad Illuminati though so take it FWIW.

http://www.scribd.com/doc...72/9-11-Engineering-View





What about the pentagon? The worlds most secure building with not 1 video camera??? And a "pilot" who took some cessna lessons able to control a 757 near max speed (500mph) 30 feet above the ground hitting the building at almost a straight angle?



The 9/11 report is a joke as well and people in that committee admit that, no mention of building 7 either...

I don't think you understand we are dealing with !!%+ Cheney Here.

the width of the hole in pentagon isnt in line with size of plane. if a plane takes out 3 steel buildings then pentagon should  have far more damage. things not adding up on that end.  and yeah for it to be the pentagon the lack of evidence is funny.

 

[DeadsetAce]

Originally Posted by A Beautiful Wave

Allow me clear a few things things up here:
9/11 changed everything, and it seems some folks here are having trouble adjusting to the post 9/11 world.Here is a very short list things that should help get you all on your way:

6.Airliners are now invisible to radar without transponder signals.

#6 caught my eye. you misinterpreted that whole part. shutting off the transponder made it so they could not track altitude, speed, etc...the plane itself was still on radar...

but whatever....continue

 

[DeadsetAce]

Originally Posted by A Beautiful Wave

Allow me clear a few things things up here:
9/11 changed everything, and it seems some folks here are having trouble adjusting to the post 9/11 world.Here is a very short list things that should help get you all on your way:

6.Airliners are now invisible to radar without transponder signals.

#6 caught my eye. you misinterpreted that whole part. shutting off the transponder made it so they could not track altitude, speed, etc...the plane itself was still on radar...

but whatever....continue

 

[bjm5295]

On another note, today is the 25th anniversary of Rose breaking Cobb's record and hes still not in the Hall of Fame.

 

[bjm5295]

On another note, today is the 25th anniversary of Rose breaking Cobb's record and hes still not in the Hall of Fame.

 

[bijald0331]

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All the people who would have to be involved in order to pull this massive conspiracy off...

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-The Bush Administration, who failed at everything they ever did. Yet all of them and the people below are helping him cover up the largest mass murder in US history...Some of them like Richard Clarke and Paul O'Neil have come out for less.

-The NYC Fire fighters�who know more about building collapses than�most,�if not all,of them. It's their LIFE to know. Literally! Yet they don't call for an investigation into the MASS MURDER of over 300 of their brothers... Why? (The twisting of these peoples’ statements for donations and DVD sales sickens me.) We have uncovered the myth about a gag order imposed on all fire fighters. Only 9/11 conspiracy sites say this. ONE person who sued Bush for not taking action before the event is ordered by thecourt not to speak to the media about the case. This is not imposing a gag order on the whole fire department as some of these sites claim. They are lying to cover up this mass murder by the government or the building owner. Why? They don't even know...

Conspiracy theorists bring up an article in Fire House magazine which says the fire department wanted to stop the steel from being sold in order to test the fire proofing and other non-bomb/controlled demolition related investigations. They twist the article’s context to make it seem like the firefighters questioned the idea that fire brought down the towers.

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Many of these men and women come from the military, yet we are to believe they are so afraid they rather die in the government’s next mass murder than come out and expose this.

-The courts�for imposing a gag order [SEE above]

-The NYC Police department�who lost over 20 lives. They didn't ask for an investigation. Motive? None...

-The NYC port Authority�who lost personnel. Motive?

-All the people in the Pentagon�who have not called for an investigation. Many who are liberal and centrist. They did or said nothing while people supposedly trucked in airplane parts to cover the crime. Why? Again, no answer...

-The more than 1,600 widows and widowers of 9/11�who would rather have investigations of the decisions which led to the terrorist getting away with this. They don't want to waste time investigating the mass murder of their loved ones. Even the Jersey Girls. Why? They say it's the money... [note: Whenever killing someone, pay off the relative. They won’t say anything.]

-The media�(This one I almost believe) who doesn't follow up on the biggest mass murder and conspiracy in American history. It seems no one wants a Nobel prize for journalism. Not only the American media but foreign press like the BBC and Al Jazeera. Why? No answer here either...

-The photographers�from around the world who took pictures of the towers which clearly show bowing of the perimeter columns. These photos support the NIST hypothesis that the sagging trusses lead to the collapse. Some photos also show the core intact shortly after collapse which also not only support the NIST hypothesis but discredits the "Controlled demolition" account.

-Popular Mechanics�who debunked these sites are also helping Bush commit the biggest mass murder in history.

[url=http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/defense/1227842.html]http://www.popularmechani...nce/defense/1227842.html[/url]

-PBS Nova�since they created a documentary explaining in detail how and why the buildings fell. None of it said bomb.

[URL]http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/wtc/[/url]

-Everyone in the NIST�who covers up the largest mass murder in US history. This independent organization doesn't have a moral person in hundreds of employees because not one has come out exposing this so called "Conspiracy". In fact, the hundreds of scientist who signed onto the report are willing to not only lie for Bush but cover up the largest mass murder in American history. Some suggest only a handful can do the job but that's simply impossible. The team in charge of the computer modeling has to be in sync with the team of structural engineers and so on. There are hundreds involved in this investigation and every team has to work with other teams using the same evidence and specifications.

-NY Governor Pataki�because he sold steel�from the WTC for the construction of the USS New York. If the argument is the government sold the steel in order to cover up the crime then Pataki is one of the criminals.

-The NY city scrap yards�because they also sold steel to China before all of it was tested. Bush would have needed to call them up and tell them to sell it before they could have investigated every beam. A task which would have taken years and years not to mention millions more. Ironically the republican Mayor Bloomberg could not be involved since he asked the scrap yards not to sell the steel on behalf of the firefighters.

-EVERY STRUCTURAL ENGINEER IN THE WORLD�who doesn't write a paper for a mainstream peer reviewed journal saying the towers were brought down and could not have fallen due to fire. If laymen can prove things just by looking at videos and reading interviews out of context, then all those structural engineers MUST be working for Bush right? Even the ones in other countries. Why? The answer they give is that the engineers don't know about Jones’ work. So in all this time no one has e-mailed Jones' work to any structural engineer?

-Structure Magazine�who published a report saying the collapse of WTC 7 may have been due to one column failing.

-The liberals who don't believe the towers were brought down.�(Like me) They're helping a neo-con cover-up the largest mass murder in this nation’s history. Why? No clue...

-The CIA

-The FBI

-FEMA

-The American Society of� Civil Engineers�who have produced peer reviewed papers showing how what Conspiracy Theorists say is impossible is possible.

-NORAD

-The FAA�who saw planes which conspiracy theorists say never existed.

-The Silverstein Group�who they say got together with Bush to blow up the building for insurance money.

-Silverstein's�Insurance Company�who didn't question the collapse and paid out over 2 billion to Silverstein. Why? Conspiracy Theorists say the insurance company just wants to pass on the bill to the public but they already fought Silverstein in a number of law suits concerning the amount.

-American Airlines�(Pentagon)

-United Airlines�(Pentagon)

-Logan, Newark and Dulles Airport�for losing the planes

-Scientists and engineers�who developed the remote control plane technology

-Installers of the remote control devices in the planes�(Pentagon)

-Remote controllers of the planes�(Pentagon)

-Scientists and engineers who developed the new demolition technology�and carried out practical tests and computer models to make sure it would work.

-Installers of the demolitions devices�in the three buildings

-People who worked at the company(s) the installers used as cover

-Airphone etc employees who said they got calls from passengers�(Pentagon)

-Faux friends and relatives of the faux passengers or just the faux relatives who claim to have been called by their loved ones or just the psyops who fooled relatives into thinking they really were their loved ones.�(Pentagon)

-People who detonated the buildings"

-anyone who thinks the conspiracy is a diversion to take liberal activist focus off of real crimes.

Even conspiracies with a few people are doomed. Look at Enron and Watergate. The more people you involve, the more likely the conspiracy will fall apart. The amount of people needed for this conspiracy could fill one of the towers. It's absurd to think this many people could keep a mass murder for Bush secret for this long. Absurd...��

 

[bijald0331]

Sorry for the weird font color; text wasn't displaying properly.




All the people who would have to be involved in order to pull this massive conspiracy off...

Spoiler

Spoiler

Spoiler [+]

Spoiler

-The Bush Administration, who failed at everything they ever did. Yet all of them and the people below are helping him cover up the largest mass murder in US history...Some of them like Richard Clarke and Paul O'Neil have come out for less.

-The NYC Fire fighters�who know more about building collapses than�most,�if not all,of them. It's their LIFE to know. Literally! Yet they don't call for an investigation into the MASS MURDER of over 300 of their brothers... Why? (The twisting of these peoples’ statements for donations and DVD sales sickens me.) We have uncovered the myth about a gag order imposed on all fire fighters. Only 9/11 conspiracy sites say this. ONE person who sued Bush for not taking action before the event is ordered by thecourt not to speak to the media about the case. This is not imposing a gag order on the whole fire department as some of these sites claim. They are lying to cover up this mass murder by the government or the building owner. Why? They don't even know...

Conspiracy theorists bring up an article in Fire House magazine which says the fire department wanted to stop the steel from being sold in order to test the fire proofing and other non-bomb/controlled demolition related investigations. They twist the article’s context to make it seem like the firefighters questioned the idea that fire brought down the towers.

[url=http://fe.pennnet.com/Articles/Article_Display.cfm?Section=]http://fe.pennnet.com/Art...cle_Display.cfm?Section=
OnlineArticles&SubSe%20ction=Display&PUBLICATION_ID=
25&ARTICLE_ID=131225[/url]

[url=http://fe.pennnet.com/Articles/Article_Display.cfm?Section=OnlineArticles&]http://fe.pennnet.com/Art...?Section=OnlineArticles&
SubSection=Display&PUBLICATION_ID=25&ARTICLE_ID=130026[/url]

Many of these men and women come from the military, yet we are to believe they are so afraid they rather die in the government’s next mass murder than come out and expose this.

-The courts�for imposing a gag order [SEE above]

-The NYC Police department�who lost over 20 lives. They didn't ask for an investigation. Motive? None...

-The NYC port Authority�who lost personnel. Motive?

-All the people in the Pentagon�who have not called for an investigation. Many who are liberal and centrist. They did or said nothing while people supposedly trucked in airplane parts to cover the crime. Why? Again, no answer...

-The more than 1,600 widows and widowers of 9/11�who would rather have investigations of the decisions which led to the terrorist getting away with this. They don't want to waste time investigating the mass murder of their loved ones. Even the Jersey Girls. Why? They say it's the money... [note: Whenever killing someone, pay off the relative. They won’t say anything.]

-The media�(This one I almost believe) who doesn't follow up on the biggest mass murder and conspiracy in American history. It seems no one wants a Nobel prize for journalism. Not only the American media but foreign press like the BBC and Al Jazeera. Why? No answer here either...

-The photographers�from around the world who took pictures of the towers which clearly show bowing of the perimeter columns. These photos support the NIST hypothesis that the sagging trusses lead to the collapse. Some photos also show the core intact shortly after collapse which also not only support the NIST hypothesis but discredits the "Controlled demolition" account.

-Popular Mechanics�who debunked these sites are also helping Bush commit the biggest mass murder in history.

[url=http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/defense/1227842.html]http://www.popularmechani...nce/defense/1227842.html[/url]

-PBS Nova�since they created a documentary explaining in detail how and why the buildings fell. None of it said bomb.

[URL]http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/wtc/[/url]

-Everyone in the NIST�who covers up the largest mass murder in US history. This independent organization doesn't have a moral person in hundreds of employees because not one has come out exposing this so called "Conspiracy". In fact, the hundreds of scientist who signed onto the report are willing to not only lie for Bush but cover up the largest mass murder in American history. Some suggest only a handful can do the job but that's simply impossible. The team in charge of the computer modeling has to be in sync with the team of structural engineers and so on. There are hundreds involved in this investigation and every team has to work with other teams using the same evidence and specifications.

-NY Governor Pataki�because he sold steel�from the WTC for the construction of the USS New York. If the argument is the government sold the steel in order to cover up the crime then Pataki is one of the criminals.

-The NY city scrap yards�because they also sold steel to China before all of it was tested. Bush would have needed to call them up and tell them to sell it before they could have investigated every beam. A task which would have taken years and years not to mention millions more. Ironically the republican Mayor Bloomberg could not be involved since he asked the scrap yards not to sell the steel on behalf of the firefighters.

-EVERY STRUCTURAL ENGINEER IN THE WORLD�who doesn't write a paper for a mainstream peer reviewed journal saying the towers were brought down and could not have fallen due to fire. If laymen can prove things just by looking at videos and reading interviews out of context, then all those structural engineers MUST be working for Bush right? Even the ones in other countries. Why? The answer they give is that the engineers don't know about Jones’ work. So in all this time no one has e-mailed Jones' work to any structural engineer?

-Structure Magazine�who published a report saying the collapse of WTC 7 may have been due to one column failing.

-The liberals who don't believe the towers were brought down.�(Like me) They're helping a neo-con cover-up the largest mass murder in this nation’s history. Why? No clue...

-The CIA

-The FBI

-FEMA

-The American Society of� Civil Engineers�who have produced peer reviewed papers showing how what Conspiracy Theorists say is impossible is possible.

-NORAD

-The FAA�who saw planes which conspiracy theorists say never existed.

-The Silverstein Group�who they say got together with Bush to blow up the building for insurance money.

-Silverstein's�Insurance Company�who didn't question the collapse and paid out over 2 billion to Silverstein. Why? Conspiracy Theorists say the insurance company just wants to pass on the bill to the public but they already fought Silverstein in a number of law suits concerning the amount.

-American Airlines�(Pentagon)

-United Airlines�(Pentagon)

-Logan, Newark and Dulles Airport�for losing the planes

-Scientists and engineers�who developed the remote control plane technology

-Installers of the remote control devices in the planes�(Pentagon)

-Remote controllers of the planes�(Pentagon)

-Scientists and engineers who developed the new demolition technology�and carried out practical tests and computer models to make sure it would work.

-Installers of the demolitions devices�in the three buildings

-People who worked at the company(s) the installers used as cover

-Airphone etc employees who said they got calls from passengers�(Pentagon)

-Faux friends and relatives of the faux passengers or just the faux relatives who claim to have been called by their loved ones or just the psyops who fooled relatives into thinking they really were their loved ones.�(Pentagon)

-People who detonated the buildings"

-anyone who thinks the conspiracy is a diversion to take liberal activist focus off of real crimes.

Even conspiracies with a few people are doomed. Look at Enron and Watergate. The more people you involve, the more likely the conspiracy will fall apart. The amount of people needed for this conspiracy could fill one of the towers. It's absurd to think this many people could keep a mass murder for Bush secret for this long. Absurd...��

 

[josebronx]

Originally Posted by A Beautiful Wave

I just wanted to remember to tell everyone to not believe everything you hear from your government and just because you ask questions doesn't make you "unpatriotic"

but this isnt the time for this $#!^, I take youre not from NYC so Im sure you dont care but a lot of people lost their lifes.

I could care less about the govt, illuminati conspiracy, etc on sept 9 and Im sure many other NTer either.

 

[josebronx]

Originally Posted by A Beautiful Wave

I just wanted to remember to tell everyone to not believe everything you hear from your government and just because you ask questions doesn't make you "unpatriotic"

but this isnt the time for this $#!^, I take youre not from NYC so Im sure you dont care but a lot of people lost their lifes.

I could care less about the govt, illuminati conspiracy, etc on sept 9 and Im sure many other NTer either.

 

[dipsetgeneral]

So what are we going to do tommorow? You guys wanna meet up and call some hussies?

 

[dipsetgeneral]

So what are we going to do tommorow? You guys wanna meet up and call some hussies?

 

[dmbrhs]

Originally Posted by Anthony Stark

My uncle believes that it was a controlled demolition and he was right there when the towers came down.

And I believe in Santa, but I don't have proof he exists.
  

 

[dmbrhs]

Originally Posted by Anthony Stark

My uncle believes that it was a controlled demolition and he was right there when the towers came down.

And I believe in Santa, but I don't have proof he exists.
  

 

[marath0n]

I didn't believe it was a conspiracy until I read this. Makes it as plain as day. Props to any person that can debunk this with sources.

http://www.zerohedge.com/article/anniversary-911

 

[marath0n]

I didn't believe it was a conspiracy until I read this. Makes it as plain as day. Props to any person that can debunk this with sources.

http://www.zerohedge.com/article/anniversary-911

 

[pr0phecy718]

Originally Posted by JoseBronx

Originally Posted by A Beautiful Wave

I just wanted to remember to tell everyone to not believe everything you hear from your government and just because you ask questions doesn't make you "unpatriotic"

but this isnt the time for this $#!^, I take youre not from NYC so Im sure you dont care but a lot of people lost their lifes.

I could care less about the govt, illuminati conspiracy, etc on sept 9 and Im sure many other NTer either.

co-sign, this is why this post offends me

 

[pr0phecy718]

Originally Posted by JoseBronx

Originally Posted by A Beautiful Wave

I just wanted to remember to tell everyone to not believe everything you hear from your government and just because you ask questions doesn't make you "unpatriotic"

but this isnt the time for this $#!^, I take youre not from NYC so Im sure you dont care but a lot of people lost their lifes.

I could care less about the govt, illuminati conspiracy, etc on sept 9 and Im sure many other NTer either.

co-sign, this is why this post offends me

 

[wallyhopp]

Originally Posted by pr0phecy718

Originally Posted by JoseBronx

Originally Posted by A Beautiful Wave

I just wanted to remember to tell everyone to not believe everything you hear from your government and just because you ask questions doesn't make you "unpatriotic"

but this isnt the time for this $#!^, I take youre not from NYC so Im sure you dont care but a lot of people lost their lifes.

I could care less about the govt, illuminati conspiracy, etc on sept 9 and Im sure many other NTer either.

co-sign, this is why this post offends me

Best believe if I died in the attacks, I would want my family to be vocal about what they saw happened and the subsequent "reports". I'd be sitting in heaven looking down hearing about how all this crap went down, and I DIED in a different fashion? That's the ultimate show of respect and love by them continuing to ask questions. Most of these people aren't radicals claiming the gov't did it or all this other non sense. Think of cold case files where families are still at work, 25 years later. They never gave up.. To believe the story without question is giving up.

 

[wallyhopp]

Originally Posted by pr0phecy718

Originally Posted by JoseBronx

Originally Posted by A Beautiful Wave

I just wanted to remember to tell everyone to not believe everything you hear from your government and just because you ask questions doesn't make you "unpatriotic"

but this isnt the time for this $#!^, I take youre not from NYC so Im sure you dont care but a lot of people lost their lifes.

I could care less about the govt, illuminati conspiracy, etc on sept 9 and Im sure many other NTer either.

co-sign, this is why this post offends me

Best believe if I died in the attacks, I would want my family to be vocal about what they saw happened and the subsequent "reports". I'd be sitting in heaven looking down hearing about how all this crap went down, and I DIED in a different fashion? That's the ultimate show of respect and love by them continuing to ask questions. Most of these people aren't radicals claiming the gov't did it or all this other non sense. Think of cold case files where families are still at work, 25 years later. They never gave up.. To believe the story without question is giving up.

 

[a beautiful wave]

Originally Posted by marath0n

I didn't believe it was a conspiracy until I read this. Makes it as plain as day. Props to any person that can debunk this with sources.

http://www.zerohedge.com/article/anniversary-911

Exactly..... Someone step up and try to dis credit and debunk this.... Im waiting.

Also take a look at this

http://www.uscrusade.com/forum/config.pl/read/1064


It is disrespectful NOT to try to hold those accountable for this for those who died. You do realize that most behind this movement are ones that lost family members in the WTC

 

[a beautiful wave]

Originally Posted by marath0n

I didn't believe it was a conspiracy until I read this. Makes it as plain as day. Props to any person that can debunk this with sources.

http://www.zerohedge.com/article/anniversary-911

Exactly..... Someone step up and try to dis credit and debunk this.... Im waiting.

Also take a look at this

http://www.uscrusade.com/forum/config.pl/read/1064


It is disrespectful NOT to try to hold those accountable for this for those who died. You do realize that most behind this movement are ones that lost family members in the WTC

 

[wallyhopp]

Families asking questions:
http://buildingwhat.org/
This concept isn't so black and white as some seem to suspect.

 

[wallyhopp]

Families asking questions:
http://buildingwhat.org/
This concept isn't so black and white as some seem to suspect.

 

[a beautiful wave]

http://www.wsws.org/artic...0/sep2010/book-s11.shtml

 

[a beautiful wave]

http://www.wsws.org/artic...0/sep2010/book-s11.shtml