US Government Headed to Shutdown

[cedric ceballos]

I'd hope people revolt long before then.

Something is eventually going to be the straw that breaks the camels back. If their main reason for being hesitant to walk out is the contracts they signed, that won’t last long. People in power violate contracts all the time when it beneifits them. Hopefully some of the heads who have a voice and platform within tsa and similar agencies are organizing behind the scenes to come up with some type of plan to walk out if this doesn’t get fixed.

Going damn near a month working without pay is so insulting on so many levels. If they arranged a mass walkout they would have power in numbers, it would disrupt so much, and aside from the Christian family values bootstraps heads, the public would be overwhelmingly on their side.

 

[Nike Jordan]

I’m just saying people make it seem like one side is the clan and the other is Disneyland.

You're the only one that's saying that.

 

[mplsdunk]

You're the only one that's saying that.

Nah, people legit couldn’t understand how one person could not be down with either parties a few pages back.

 

[cedric ceballos]

Ok yeah, I get that.

I’m just saying people make it seem like one side is the clan and the other is Disney land.

They do some ****ed up stuff too.

Covering up fast and furious for one in the Obama era and misusing the irs in the Clinton era.

The Dems have their share of stuff they deserve to be critiqued on. But the way things are right now, the Dems (with all their flaws and all) do seem like Disneyland, a vacation on a tropical island and all of the above compared to the current day GOP.

 

[Deleted member 42060]

No SOTU 2019

 

[mplsdunk]

The Dems have their share of stuff they deserve to be critiqued on. But the way things are right now, the Dems (with all their flaws and all) do seem like Disneyland, a vacation on a tropical island and all of the above compared to the current day GOP.

I’ll give you that. If I had go align with one party it would be them. I mean I’m in a union so that right there puts me on their side of the line.

That’s why this whole tsa thing is just mind boggling to me. That’s something we don’t do and would never do. You don’t work for free, if they try that you go on strike. It’s not that hard to organize I don’t know why they don’t. Walk out and watch them panic.

 

[cedric ceballos]

I’m pretty sure they want to walk out and have no desire being there working for money they’re not going to see until this shutdown ends.

On an individual level, I’m pretty sure the majority of them are saying **** this, and seriously want to walk off the job. They’re just afraid they’re going to be one of a small few who actually ends up doing it and will ultimately get fired. That’s why hopefully heads with have pull behind the scenes are organizing something or have something planned in the event this drags out.

If I worked TSA and didn’t have a wife/kids or major expenses, I’d strongly consider it and picket in front of the terminal vocal as hell. Get some news stations there to cover it and get public opinion in my favor. I guarantee other people would get on board if they saw favorable results.

 

[blastercombo]

Nah, people legit couldn’t understand how one person could not be down with either parties a few pages back.

Wrong. The point is you NEED to pick a side or you’re just wasting your time. If you’d like to argue the neutral stance is a strong force please do so..... so we can all have laugh. The system is what it is. “The system sucks” is not something that can change anything

 

[Belgium]

https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/...ent-shutdown-workers-call-in-sick/2636495002/ January 21
10 percent of TSA workers call in sick as government shutdown drags on
The slowly growing wave of sickouts among TSA workers reached 10 percent as the agency that provides security at the nation's airports acknowledged "many employees are reporting that they are not able to report to work due to financial limitations."

The Transportation Security Administration said Monday that the rate of unscheduled absences Sunday compared with a 3.1 percent rate on the same day one year ago.

The nation's 800,000 federal employees will miss their second paycheck this week as the government shutdown extends into its second month. About half of those employees, including about 50,000 airport security workers, are considered "essential" and are working anyway.

"While national average wait times are within normal TSA times of 30 minutes for standard lanes and 10 minutes for TSA Precheck, some airports experienced longer than usual wait times," the TSA said in a statement.

Without paychecks, some federal employees have resorted to picking up temporary jobs to make ends meet.

The TSA said it is "optimizing resources" to ensure screening lanes are properly staffed but warned that airports may exercise contingency plans because of call-outs and traveler volume.

TSA employees screened 1.78 million passengers Sunday. Of those, "99.9 percent" waited less than 30 minutes, the agency said, and 93.1 percent waited less than 15 minutes. Saturday, the sickout rate was 8 percent.

Baltimore-Washington International Thurgood Marshall Airport said it closed a checkpoint Sunday to "efficiently use staffing." The airport tweeted that such closures were common before the shutdown and have "minimal, if any, impact on passengers."

The TSA said it tapped members of its National Deployment Force, usually called in to help with staffing shortages when major events or national disasters descend on a city. The added staff helps bulk up security at a handful of larger airports, including New York's LaGuardia and Hartsfield-Jackson Atlanta International, the agency said.

"Came early to @LGAairport assuming long waits and lines," traveler Shelly Maddox tweeted Monday from LaGuardia. "We have never had a better experience. Absolutely no wait and the @TSA workers had a smile on their face. Professionals."

The Atlanta airport along with Seattle's Sea-Tac International Airport were among those where security wait times reached 60 minutes at some checkpoints last week. A Sea-Tac airport spokesman blamed the high volume of passengers heading out for the holiday weekend.

The shutdown began three days before Christmas when President Donald Trump and the Democratic Congress reached a stalemate over Trump's demand for $5.7 billion for a wall along the Mexican border.

Historically, federal employees who drew no pay during government shutdowns have ultimately been paid whether they worked or not. This shutdown has been the longest in U.S. history.

The TSA workers' plight has drawn support. Gene Simmons and Paul Stanley of the band KISS announced they will provide free food at their Rock & Brews Restaurants nationwide. At Miami International Airport, Chef Creole gives TSA workers free lunch and dinner every day they work without pay.

Sunday, Trump tweeted his thanks to federal employees.

"To all of the great people who are working so hard for your Country and not getting paid I say, THANK YOU - YOU ARE GREAT PATRIOTS!" he tweeted. "We must now work together, after decades of abuse, to finally fix the Humanitarian, Criminal & Drug Crisis at our Border. WE WILL WIN BIG!"

 

[mplsdunk]

Exactly. I would walk out regardless, what do you got to lose? your 18 dollar an hour job that treats you like dirt and isn’t even paying you to throw people’s tooth paste away?

I don’t get why america is turning so soft. This would never fly in most countries.

This is going to happen again and again if they don’t boss up and walk out. The damn government is expecting you to work for free while they all kick back in a mansion.

 

[23kidd]

Man i feel the purge happening soon.

 

[sooperhooper]

How can you do this to people? Tell them that there's a chance they'd have to work for free and then actually do it?

 

[mplsdunk]

Wrong. The point is you NEED to pick a side or you’re just wasting your time. If you’d like to argue the neutral stance is a strong force please do so..... so we can all have laugh. The system is what it is. “The system sucks” it’s something that can change anything

Here’s my thing, I believe we are all born with certain rights. Everyone is and it’s very hard for me to support any of it becasue the whole government to me is just a wild concept in general.

 

[cedric ceballos]

How can you do this to people? Tell them that there's a chance they'd have to work for free and then actually do it?

That’s where people need to smarten up. And I say that with all due empathy toward whatever expenses and priorities they have which may cause them to tolerate unnecessary inconveniences which they’re currently going through right now.

If you work 40 hours a week at a job which you may or may not like, and they throw a bomb at you talking about we need you to work for free, we’ll pay you when the shutdown stops. And btw you signed a contract saying that if you walk off we fire you. You should be investing in yourself, updating that resume and actively seeking employment elsewhere and use all your sick hours, PTO, and just call out as much as you can until this shutdown ends or you land something else.

I really hope they’re talking being the scenes and trying to organize something though.

 

[RustyShackleford]

Here’s my thing, I believe we are all born with certain rights. Everyone is and it’s very hard for me to support any of it becasue the whole government to me is just a wild concept in general.

So from a political economy standpoint, you believe anarchy is the way to go?

 

[mplsdunk]

So from a political economy standpoint, you believe anarchy is the way to go?

This is getting way off topic but I’m not sure, there is some aspects of it I support but I know it wouldn’t work out in today’s day and age.

I could grow some carrots in my yard, walk downtown to sell them and get arrested for not having a permit.

I feel like government has gotten too big and overbearing.

 

[thenewjs23]

It s looking like the White House is ready for this to last longer. They are asking department heads what will be the impact if this is to last longer.

 

[supersaiyangod]

govt shutdown gonna eventually lead to internet servers shutting down aka niketalk.com gonna get shutdown too smh

 

[Belgium]

It s looking like the White House is ready for this to last longer. They are asking department heads what will be the impact if this is to last longer.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/busi...f74070bbdb9_story.html?utm_term=.c89959c29210
White House seeks list of programs that would be hurt if shutdown lasts into March
White House acting chief of staff Mick Mulvaney has pressed agency leaders to provide him with a list of the highest-impact programs that will be jeopardized if the shutdown continues into March and April, people familiar with the directive said.

Mulvaney wants the list no later than Friday, these people said, and it’s the firmest evidence to date that the White House is preparing for a lengthy funding lapse that could have snowballing consequences for the economy and government services.

The request is the first known inquiry from a top White House official seeking information about the spreading impact of the shutdown, which has entered its fifth week and is the longest in U.S. history. So far, top White House officials have been particularly focused on lengthening wait times at airport security, but not the sprawling interruption of programs elsewhere in the government.

The people spoke on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to disclose Mulvaney’s demand.

The shutdown has already caused the federal government to stop paying 800,000 employees, but the impact is expected to become exponentially broader in the coming weeks. The federal court system is likely to halt major operations after February 1, and the Department of Agriculture does not have funding to pay food stamp benefits in March to roughly 40 million people.

The White House also faces a backlash from many federal workers, who face missing a second consecutive paycheck in the coming days. Some workers have balked at continuing without being paid, and their unions are filing legal action against the administration.

And there were new signs on Wednesday that federal agencies are still trying to comprehend the scope of their growing problems. The U.S. General Services Administration, an agency that manages many of the government’s leases and contracts, notified a number of departments that it doesn’t have a plan for how it can pay utility and lease payments in February if the shutdown persists. Many federal agencies lease space in commercial buildings around the country, and if the GSA can’t make rental payments it could incur major fees and other costs. This could also have a big impact on the property owners, which rely on large government payments for their income.

Meanwhile, the White House Office of Management and Budget has tried to take multiple steps to blunt the impact of the shutdown, and this week it sent guidance to agencies that would make it easier for some federal contractors to receive payments.

Senior OMB officials have tried to serve as a clearinghouse for agency leaders as they work to deal with the repurcussions of the shutdown, but Mulvaney’s direct involvement reflects how the White House is now attempting to understand the longer-term implications. A senior administration official, speaking on the condition of anonimity to discuss the directive, said it was an attempt by Mulvaney to have agency leaders focused on the problems that will arise if Congress doesn’t pass a spending bill soon.

 

[Deleted member 42060]

The net shutting down? damn imagine that

 

[sooperhooper]

The net shutting down? damn imagine that

Whoa. Cray.

 

[Majorbread]

I'm starting to believe this is pure self preservation for Trump

 

[plansb]

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/preg...bills-piling-not-sure-well-pay-142310559.html

 

[ninjahood]

Hillary Clinton isn't President though.

thank god.

 

[blastercombo]

Here’s my thing, I believe we are all born with certain rights. Everyone is and it’s very hard for me to support any of it becasue the whole government to me is just a wild concept in general.

And I agree with that but things are set in place and won’t change in our lifetime unless Kim Jon really does nuke the place. Until then we work the system as best we can as “normal” people. There’s some five and take but the give and take is nowhere near equal between both sides. One side clearly and overwhelmingly is out to only get very “particular” people