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trump in a way is like Bane... **** bout to be a free-for-all once all the feds are gone. although I need my EIN, i hope this shutdown lasts longer
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Wow, if this shutdown lasts for a year. Holy crap.
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I'd hope people revolt long before then.
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Trump will get impeached before it goes on that long.
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Exactly, I said both parties are guilty and I meant it. Idk why everyone is all up in arms about it.
Yes, the shut down is Donald trumps fault.
Yes conservatives are turning into the clan.
You guys think democrats are all saints, Hillary didn’t do any dirt?
This is what I’m talking about, people just blinding following their party.
I’m just tired of people going against each other and not looking at the big picture.
A democratic president is still gonna go murder the world and call it freedom. Police are still gonna violate your rights and blast you becasue they “feared for their life”. This country is still gonna have the biggest prison population and we’re gonna call it free.
But hey at least you got cnn and Fox News to distract you.
**** needs to change yesterday but you can’t do anything without the other party blocking it. We need something bigger than an election.
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Seems like you are arguing against a strawman in your head instead of what people actually believe.
Like I said neither party is perfect but they are not the same.
"Both sides" way of thinking just seems like an easy way out of digging into the issues and trying to understand there the breakdowns are.
It is not just some politicans tricking a public that generally agree on everything. Parties are a coalition of people that have come together for mutually beneficial gains. There are ideological disagreements even within parties.
More representative elections, higher turnout, and less money in politics could help. But then again one side is for it and one side is not. There is asymmetry to this problem that this "both sides" way of thinking forces people to miss.
Like I said neither party is perfect but they are not the same.
"Both sides" way of thinking just seems like an easy way out of digging into the issues and trying to understand there the breakdowns are.
It is not just some politicans tricking a public that generally agree on everything. Parties are a coalition of people that have come together for mutually beneficial gains. There are ideological disagreements even within parties.
More representative elections, higher turnout, and less money in politics could help. But then again one side is for it and one side is not. There is asymmetry to this problem that this "both sides" way of thinking forces people to miss.
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To think, this is probably the the least safe our "borders" have been in decades.I'm traveling to the Caribbean through Atlanta in the middle of Feb
I doubt my *** we see the inside of that plane.
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Hillary Clinton isn't President though.
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Here's my issue with this:
"Yes, the shut down is Donald trumps fault."
FACT
"Yes conservatives are turning into the clan. "
FACT
"You guys think democrats are all saints, Hillary didn’t do any dirt? "
CONJECTURE?
That's what a strawman is. Gotta keep the relevant fact train going if you're going to engage in the both sides.
"Yes, the shut down is Donald trumps fault."
FACT
"Yes conservatives are turning into the clan. "
FACT
"You guys think democrats are all saints, Hillary didn’t do any dirt? "
CONJECTURE?
That's what a strawman is. Gotta keep the relevant fact train going if you're going to engage in the both sides.
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What freedoms are the dems taking???
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The fact that everyone who tries to testify against her ends up dead for one... seems sketchy to me.
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I wonder if some dudes consider that someone could not watch cable news networks constantly, have a ton of criticism for the Democratic Party, have issues with people like Clinton and Obama, yet still think they are the better and more reasonable option of the two by a clear margin.
Not like there are not tons of political science research, economic research, grassroot organizations, and activists, historians, and personal experiences that could motivate someone's worldview to think that on aggregate, one side is the better option.
Nah, we all sheep just watching CNN, and blindly following the party.
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Here we go...
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My guns!!!!! Now I have to take a class!!!!!! No want!!!
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Oh, you’re one of THOSE guys. Could you provide sources for this, please?
I’ve heard this for yearssss and nobody ever seems to bring facts to the table. Or at least facts that indicate Hillary had anything to do with it.
I’ll await your fact and reality-based response....
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I never said they weren’t the better option.
Yeah yeah yeah, pick your poison. Vote for the lesser of two evils. I get that.
But this system is wack, even if you had a great president I wouldn’t hold my breath that things would get better. There is too many road blocks and it takes too long to get anything done.
Yeah yeah yeah, pick your poison. Vote for the lesser of two evils. I get that.
But this system is wack, even if you had a great president I wouldn’t hold my breath that things would get better. There is too many road blocks and it takes too long to get anything done.
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Man all I’m saying is to think outside the box here.
We all know Donald trump is corrupt, but the rest of Washington isn’t?
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There are activist that want make the system more Democratic by getting rid of gerrymandering, stop voter suppression, trying to find ways to increase turnout, restricting money in politics, restricting lobbying, removing the cap on House members, abolishing the Senate or making it more representative, putting in term limits, having stricter corruption laws, and making the presidential.
All things that would make our system more Democratic and more representative. Guess which party they are gaining traction in and guess which party they are not?
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Yes, all that would be a good start.
Hopefully it will happen one day, especially the voter suppression, lobbying and term limits.
Well, it isn’t the Republican Party. They are a dying breed holding on to the last of what they have.
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I never said Trump is the only dirty politican.
You implied Hillary Clinton might be assassinating people, and provide no evidence for such a claim. You want me to think outside the box, so I can be open to accepting wild conjecture.
You don't see the problem with that?
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**** hillary, **** trump, **** dems, **** repubs
but that's not the point right now, right now the point is trump is in power, and he shut down the govt like a child. in psychology, you don't give into the child because that's rewardimg/reinforcing a negative behavior. thus, for this matter, the democrats must not give in (it's still **** all of them though, but that's besides the point). even if a year passes by and the govt is still shut down... so be it.
wouldnt look good for him at his chances of getting re-elected if that were the case. im sure they're smarter than that. the longer this shutdown lasts, the more likely ppl will vote for a dem prez tbh. **** this stupid wall.
but that's not the point right now, right now the point is trump is in power, and he shut down the govt like a child. in psychology, you don't give into the child because that's rewardimg/reinforcing a negative behavior. thus, for this matter, the democrats must not give in (it's still **** all of them though, but that's besides the point). even if a year passes by and the govt is still shut down... so be it.
wouldnt look good for him at his chances of getting re-elected if that were the case. im sure they're smarter than that. the longer this shutdown lasts, the more likely ppl will vote for a dem prez tbh. **** this stupid wall.
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Ok yeah, I get that.
I’m just saying people make it seem like one side is the clan and the other is Disney land.
They do some ****** up stuff too.
Covering up fast and furious for one in the Obama era and misusing the irs in the Clinton era.
