US Government Headed to Shutdown

Exactly. I would walk out regardless, what do you got to lose? your 18 dollar an hour job that treats you like dirt and isn’t even paying you to throw people’s tooth paste away?

I don’t get why america is turning so soft. This would never fly in most countries.

This is going to happen again and again if they don’t boss up and walk out. The damn government is expecting you to work for free while they all kick back in a mansion.
People are too comfortable with their lifestyles. Long as they have YouTube and social media they won’t ever care about anything else.
 
My thing is, they’re not paying you what exactly are they threatening you with? No back pay either? Lol so we just doing favors? I’m not saying walk out and never come back but somthing needs to come my way daily for any of that to happen. I’m not going business as usual
 
They literally expect people to come in as skeletons after they are unable to purchase food and pay for their homes.
Currency system is all jacked up.
 
The Dems have their share of stuff they deserve to be critiqued on. But the way things are right now, the Dems (with all their flaws and all) do seem like Disneyland, a vacation on a tropical island and all of the above compared to the current day GOP.

not wit da bird brain talking bout da Earth gonna end in 12 years :lol
 
People are too comfortable with their lifestyles. Long as they have YouTube and social media they won’t ever care about anything else.

Pretty much, idk why people are saying the government shutdown is going to cut off the internet if it continues but if it happened I don’t think it would be a bad thing...
 
I don’t get why america is turning so soft. This would never fly in most countries.

Wanna know why? When air controllers walked off the job under Reagan, nobody supported them when they got fired. The populist history of the US (the reason why children don't work and why we have the weekend off and labor protections) has been struck out of history books. Instead, we got propaganda about individualism, "self-made" wealthy folks, and right-to-work laws.

That's why they are scared to protest. Are you watching the French yellow jackets? That is what true democracy looks like.
 
Wanna know why? When air controllers walked off the job under Reagan, nobody supported them when they got fired. The populist history of the US (the reason why children don't work and why we have the weekend off and labor protections) has been struck out of history books. Instead, we got propaganda about individualism, "self-made" wealthy folks, and right-to-work laws.

That's why they are scared to protest. Are you watching the French yellow jackets? That is what true democracy looks like.

I agree 1000%

First off they need a stronger contract if they have a no strike clause in it. Reagan has them fired. This is why we need unions and STRONG unions. No right to work bs, pay your damn dues. That measly 90 a month gets you free insurance and a team of lawyers making sure your company doesn’t do you wrong.

But yeah I know about the air traffic controllers strike in the 80s.

Don’t get me started on right to work for less, if I vote it’s gonna be for no other reason than protecting my union.

Yeah I have been paying attention to them, I got my hi vis vest in my truck waiting. :lol:
 
Saying that people in this country are way too comfortable is an understatement. That’s giving us way to much credit. It’s really sad when you think about it. The government and the higher ups would have to shutdown the internet, and effect atleast 40% percent of the United States population income for people to stand in unity.

Most people are so programmed I’m not even sure if that would wake people up. The only thing that would wake everybody up is a purge like situation, because then everybody wouldn’t have a choice but to react to it. Well never see anything opposite of our comfortability in this lifetime. Most people are just too comfortable, or just too shook.
 
Man, what if that boy Jeff bezos pulls a boss move and donates 5B to all 800,000 government workers. It won't hurt him one bit. Son would go down as an American legend.
 
Man, what if that boy Jeff bezos pulls a boss move and donates 5B to all 800,000 government workers. It won't hurt him one bit. Son would go down as an American legend.
I know you are thinking about people getting helped. And that is commendable

But really that is the last thing America needs. The economic security of working class people should not depend on altruism form billionaires.

We need to make sure workers have some of the power in deciding their economic prospects.
 
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Wanna know why? When air controllers walked off the job under Reagan, nobody supported them when they got fired. The populist history of the US (the reason why children don't work and why we have the weekend off and labor protections) has been struck out of history books. Instead, we got propaganda about individualism, "self-made" wealthy folks, and right-to-work laws.

That's why they are scared to protest. Are you watching the French yellow jackets? That is what true democracy looks like.

It’s only been 33 days, the situation in France has been festering for years.

The problem with a protest is that all federal workers have clearances that are needed for your position. Some folks have waited 2 years to get their clearance which is very valuable and hard to come by. If you have a top secret clearance, that means your last ten years have been squeaky clean. So government workers don’t want go the yellow jacket route and risk their clearance. I think the month of Feb will be a tipping point if we are still shutdown, March will be scary. I got paper stacked so I can ride this out long term.
 
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Saying that people in this country are way too comfortable is an understatement. That’s giving us way to much credit. It’s really sad when you think about it. The government and the higher ups would have to shutdown the internet, and effect atleast 40% percent of the United States population income for people to stand in unity.

Most people are so programmed I’m not even sure if that would wake people up. The only thing that would wake everybody up is a purge like situation, because then everybody wouldn’t have a choice but to react to it. Well never see anything opposite of our comfortability in this lifetime. Most people are just too comfortable, or just too shook.

The fact that people are comforteble is why I doubt anything major would ever happen. I remember the Arab spring protests in Egypt. I want to say early 2011 if I recall correctly. They went hard and got results, but they went hard because they had a lot to lose and everything to gain.

People are too comfortable here even when they’re getting ****ted on.
 
This is getting way off topic but I’m not sure, there is some aspects of it I support but I know it wouldn’t work out in today’s day and age.

I could grow some carrots in my yard, walk downtown to sell them and get arrested for not having a permit.

I feel like government has gotten too big and overbearing.
I know you are being hyperbolic to prove your point. So, I won't argue about the carrots example. I will give it to you that local bureaucracies at times expand way to large and become inefficient. When adds excessive burden on regular folk, I too share this frustration. However, sometimes these roadblocks are not because they are a natural function of government but are barriers others in society lobbied to rent seek.

But I will ask you to consider that sometimes you want the government to be overbearing. You want them to force schools to desegregate, you want them to tell emergency rooms that can't deny you care, you want them to tell insurance companies they can't deny you because of preexisting conditions, you want them they can't deny a black person service because of their skin color.

When people complain about big government infringe on their freedoms, they sometimes forget that some of the freedoms they enjoy are because of government intervention. And with more good interventions their freedoms and options could be expanded. If there is great public transportation that opens up the job market for poor people, if there is affordable healthcare and housing available then it strengthens a workers bargaining power, free childcare give working class people more options, EIC lefts folk out of poverty, universal pre-k, and community college or trade school enhances the economic prospects for young people, municipal cable lefts folk escape their ISP gouging them, the Consumer Protection Bureau has returned billions back to consumers, and antitrust regulation protect jobs in smaller markets

I really think your main issue is not that you don't like the government. It is that you're like many people are upset at what it uses its resources and energy on. If was put to task with helping regular people and not the richest of the rich, I feel your option on the institutions would improve.
 
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It’s only been 33 days, the situation in France has been festering for years.

The problem with a protest is that all federal workers have clearances that are needed for your position. Some folks have waited 2 years to get their clearance which is very valuable and hard to come by. If you have a top secret clearance, that means your last ten years have been squeaky clean. So government workers don’t want go the yellow jacket route and risk their clearance. I think the month of Feb will be a tipping point if we are still shutdown, March will be scary. I got paper stacked so I can ride this out long term.

IMO that gives them even more ammo to strike.

Is the government gonna can all its employees with clearances so they have none left? Then what? they rush and do background checks on a bunch of new hires which would take forever.
 
Man, what if that boy Jeff bezos pulls a boss move and donates 5B to all 800,000 government workers. It won't hurt him one bit. Son would go down as an American legend.

Nah bruh. The last thing we need is benevolence from the wealthy; they have been proven to use that to shortchange the whole of society. I don't care about the charities they give to when they don't pay taxes and the rest of us has to find a way to make up the budget deficits their accounting tricks create.

My point is the same as AOC's: it's time for them to pay back what they owe to the society that creates the workers that bring value to their brands, and it's time for this society to rebalance the employee-employer relationship. Otherwise, we will all talk about America as a developed nation in the past tense.
 
The fact that people are comforteble is why I doubt anything major would ever happen. I remember the Arab spring protests in Egypt. I want to say early 2011 if I recall correctly. They went hard and got results, but they went hard because they had a lot to lose and everything to gain.

People are too comfortable here even when they’re getting ****ted on.

Free wifi, cheap big screen tv's, and a strong safety net will do that.

thats why i tell cats who cry poverty in NYCHA, they dunno what actual 3rd world poverty looks like...da united states all things considered is bulletproof damn near compared to other countries.
 
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