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[Mambalorian]

He was brave wayyyyyy before the serum, he was noble and fair before the serum, that is why the serum worked the way it did on him...all heroes have their accolades, ya try way toooo hard to strip Cap of all his good, now you wanna compare the intellect of Tony Stark to Steve Rogers whennthat is literally apples to oranges, Cap isn’t a genius, never was....lol

Most of that was in response to you using Rogers being “only” peak human as a handicap. Tony never took a serum to become intelligent. It’s Tony’s intelligence that makes him who he is. Iron Man couldn’t shoot lasers and all that if Tony wasn’t smart. So you can’t give Rogers a handicap because Tony is smart enough to build suits.

 

[Master Zik]

Honestly I think diving on a live grenade takes more bravery than flying a weapon on a time delay into space.

Do you not know how missles work?

What time delay?

Saying the nuke was on a time delay is like saying bullets are on a time delay.

Why dont you think before you post?

The grenade is what's literally on a time delay. You have time to kick it away.

If that grenade was real, dying was imminent and couldn't be avoided.

Unless you kick it away.

That nuke was on a dime delay and Tony had a super suit that could get him out of dodge before it blew up

This is LITERALLY false.

Stop spreading fake news.

You dont know what you're talking about.

 

[|A-Man|]

Oh now he stupid....lmaoooooooooooooo

Yeah time to stop beating a dead horse.

Stupid is as stupid does.

 

[ksteezy]

Most of that was in response to you using Rogers being “only” peak human as a handicap. Tony never took a serum to become intelligent. It’s Tony’s intelligence that makes him who he is. Iron Man couldn’t shoot lasers and all that if Tony wasn’t smart. So you can’t give Rogers a handicap because Tony is smart enough to build suits.

Steve didn’t need the serum to be brave, noble and selfless....he had all those qualities in him already....that’s what makes Cap, CAP! Not his muscles, or his fighting ability, or his shield....or ya really about to dispute that too?

 

[everysingletime]

Whether frags can be kicked away or not depends on if it's cooked properly before throwing it

Regardless I believe Cap acted as if the grenade was well and cooked. He wasn't thinking if the nade could be kicked away. He was concerned about the safety of his brerhren. Brave young man.

 

[|A-Man|]

Capping for Cap

 

[ksteezy]

Tony cool in my book, prior to the suit he’s always been a genius, however just like Steve without the serum, Tony without his suit wouldn’t be alive right now, he would have never made it out that cave...at their core Tony is a genius, Cap is brave and selfless....the serum and the suit, play their part in turning these two men into actual heroes that now can put up a fight against Gods.

 

[ksteezy]

Ya corny for downplaying Cap like he isn’t as equally important to the MCU as Tony is.

 

[everysingletime]

Tony cool in my book.

Paging @tdogg2k

Paging @tdogg2k

We have an emergency

We have an emergency

 

[Master Zik]

You should rewatch that scene.

Nobody was in danger other than the dumb dumb that hopped on the grenade had it actually been live.

 

[|A-Man|]

Why you calling @tdogg2k for? So you can share your L with him?

Tony cool in my book, prior to the suit he’s always been a genius, however just like Steve without the serum, Tony without his suit wouldn’t be alive right now, he would have never made it out that cave...at their core Tony is a genius, Cap is brave and selfless....the serum and the suit, play their part in turning these two men into actual heroes that now can put up a fight against Gods.

But he's a genius. If he didn't create the suit he would've just created something else to bust out of captivity and kill those terrorists.

 

[max powers]

If he didn't make the suit he would still have an rpg fragment in his chest and died. The real suit was version 2.

 

[Mambalorian]

the serum and the suit, play their part in turning these two men into actual heroes that now can put up a fight against Gods.

Thats not the same tho. The suit didn’t turn him into a hero. His intelligence created the suit. The serum wasn’t made by Rogers.

 

[ksteezy]

Thats not the same tho. The suit didn’t turn him into a hero. His intelligence created the suit. The serum wasn’t made by Rogers.

So we talking heroes here, out of the two, who was a selfless hero first?

Yes Tony is a genius and rich, but lettuce not forget who he was before he was kidnapped and had that shrapnel in his heart....he was an arms dealer, weapons he spent his whole entire first movie eradicating, he was no Hero prior to his kidnapping.

Now let’s look at Steve, before the serum, Bucky had to bail his *** out because philysically he would get handled easily when he would try to defend others, even though he was constantly denied and physically he couldn’t enter the draft, he kept trying and trying till he did, because like his fellow Americans, he wanted to fight in the war alongside his friends and once again, while everyone scrambled for cover when a “live” granade was on the floor, who’s frail 80lbs body was on top of that ready to die for the sake of saving those within the body radius?....now if that was in fact a live granade and he sacrificed himself to save others, is that not what a hero is? Did he need the serum for that?...did he need some life changing event for him to open up his heart and do what’s right? Nope, he was always noble, always brave...the only thing Rony has always been is a Genius and rich....but he wasn’t always a hero.

 

[amarano]

lol i think if marvel seen what we’ve resorted to even they would move the release of endgame up

 

[Mambalorian]

So we talking heroes here, out of the two, who was a selfless hero first?

Yes Tony is a genius and rich, but lettuce not forget who he was before he was kidnapped and had that shrapnel in his heart....he was an arms dealer, weapons he spent his whole entire first movie eradicating, he was no Hero prior to his kidnapping.

Now let’s look at Steve, before the serum, Bucky had to bail his *** out because philysically he would get handled easily when he would try to defend others, even though he was constantly denied and physically he couldn’t enter the draft, he kept trying and trying till he did, because like his fellow Americans, he wanted to fight in the war alongside his friends and once again, while everyone scrambled for cover when a “live” granade was on the floor, who’s frail 80lbs body was on top of that ready to die for the sake of saving those within the body radius?....now if that was in fact a live granade and he sacrificed himself to save others, is that not what a hero is? Did he need the serum for that?...did he need some life changing event for him to open up his heart and do what’s right? Nope, he was always noble, always brave...the only thing Rony has always been is a Genius and rich....but he wasn’t always a hero.

That’s not what you initially said tho. Your argument was that Rogers was “only” peak human and not able to do what Tony could because he doesn’t wear a suit of armor.

 

[max powers]

lol i think if marvel seen what we’ve resorted to even they would move the release of endgame up

That would cause a live Infinity War.

Can we settle at Tony wouldn't have thought of making any of the tech that the Iron Man suit would require had he not been near death? Just as Steve wouldn't have had a chance to become Cap were he not intrigued by the opportunity of death (suicidal)?

 

[Master Zik]

If he didn't make the suit he would still have an rpg fragment in his chest and died. The real suit was version 2.

The suit isnt what saved him.

Tony and Yinsen first made the prototype arc reactor that saved Tony's life. Then they built the suit that was powered by the arc.

 

[IATT]

Yes Tony is a genius and rich, but lettuce not forget who he was before he was kidnapped and had that shrapnel in his heart....he was an arms dealer

IM1 literally opens with tony with the US military on his way to do a weapons demonstration

Throughout IM1, he literally finds out that his weapons are being supplied to people he had zero clue they were being supplied to

It is after completing the weapons demonstration that the convoy is ambushed.. he is with the US military, when the people who his partner was providing weapons to attack and kill service men

The same US military we find out in IM2 is going to justin hammer for weapons

Now let’s look at Steve, before the serum

He's lying on numerous applications in an attempt to join the military

And as an important lesson can be learned from 300, standards are set for a reason.. Steve in his normal pre serum form could have educated himself to better his country, like tyrion Lannister (for example)

But no, he couldn't accept that he could literally be a burden to other soldiers out on the field

As leonidas pointed out to the dude who betrayed them because of his own selfish reasons, each solider in the Spartans army is expected to protect a certain area on his fellow man's body and if you're incapable of that well then you weaken the whole

Sure Steve had the will.. but he didn't have the brain or the build

 

[max powers]

Zik, you know what I meant. Either way, neither character would be who they are without life enhancing experiences. Steve tried too damn hard to be a hero to the point that it could have killed him and failed. Tony was born with it all in the palm of his hand and failed to realize the value of what he had, until almost dying.

 

[Master Zik]

Like |A-Man| said, if Tony doesn't create the suit he creates something else to get out of there.

Arc really wasn't a life enhancing experience. A life changing one perhaps or made him more grounded but as was clear in IM3 Tony doesn't need the arc in his chest to power any suit.

 

[IATT]

Tony was born a genius.. he graduated top of his class at MIT, as a teenager.. if Donald trump demonstrates anything, being born on 3rd base is a guarantee of zero

He had an awakening experience where he literally had to fight for his life.. and also realized the hands his weapons were ending up in

Without tony stark, the US military is resorting to relaying on Justin hammer

Tony and Steve are in completely different situations.. Steve was jealous of his friend and was going around committing offenses by lying trying to get his way into the military

Stark without the ironman suit or his money or company is still an extremely valuable asset to his country and any potential superhero team.. Steve without the serum is and does what?

 

[pmatic]

Man, take his conversation back to 2016 and leave it there.

 

[max powers]

So, Nick Fury isn't popping up at Tony's place to discuss the, "Avenger Initiative" without the suit and effort to prevent duplication of the reactor? Sure he would have made it out of the cave, but what after? With or without the serum, Steve is the homie that would take the bullet for you. Until the Avengers manage to assemble a little more closely, this gon' be it.

 

[|A-Man|]

I mean you say that but there's more evidence of Tony sacrificing himself for others than scumbag Steve.