Well we never did see the more improved winter soldiers at work. Just those short scenes where they beat the **** out of a Bucky in mission mode and then started killing the guards and everybody else in the room.
Bucky does clearly say they're all worse than him. So while they can topple a country from within, blend in anywhere better than him. I assume they are all stronger, faster, and more focused than him as well. They also seemed to be able to brush off their programming or sort of extend orders the way they started killing everybody and that guard giving the command codes was so shook he needed Bucky to escort him out.
I'd assume the super winter soldiers don't suffer from any weaknesses Bucky has; temporarily regaining memories, all that hesitation and doubt, etc.
I mean even in full mission mode he had one dumb plan when Steve was holding the helicopter
If Loki had actually brainwashed somebody worth brainwashing maybe he would've won
Managed a lot of damage to SHIELD using Hawkeye, imagine had he got to Steve or even worse Banner.
This aint about BVS tho ( i'll catch you in the DCEU thread) Zemo was a non-factor in CW. Might as well have left him out of the film completely.
cap vs iron man >>>>>> bvs v CW >>>>> bvs
Yes, i'm a lost cost for having an opinion.....flawless logic there. So i'm to reasonably believe that this sole guy is smarter than any other villain in the MCU? So much so that he planted all these seeds and all the avengers were to act accordingly? That's a bit of a reach there. I'm not discrediting CW ( because it's my # 2 MCU movie right behind WS ) but lets not sit here and act like Zemo is akin to Loki. Marvel consistently has had problems developing proper villains. And Zemo is no exception.If that's what you think then you're a lost cause. He was literally the reason for the second half of the movie
Yes, i'm a lost cost for having an opinion.....flawless logic there. So i'm to reasonably believe that this sole guy is smarter than any other villain in the MCU? So much so that he planted all these seeds and all the avengers were to act accordingly? That's a bit of a reach there. I'm not discrediting CW ( because it's my # 2 MCU movie right behind WS ) but lets not sit here and act like Zemo is akin to Loki.If that's what you think then you're a lost cause. He was literally the reason for the second half of the movie
Cap giving up his shield had nothing to do with Zemo. The events of CW would have played out naturally without Zemo's "intervening". Saying he did his villainy from the shadows is a logic stretch. Ok, he tortured a guy and got access to a decomissioned Russian facility. But what did he do personally that caused the avengers to turn on each other? Nothing.
Not really. Because half the team was still imprisoned in the Raft. Tony may have ended his beef with Cap, but he still didn't vouch for the imprisoned avengers. And he doesn't have the power to release them. After what happended at the airport they were no longer a team.
you do know that they fought at the airport because team cap needed to find and stop zemo ASAP right?
But them disagreeing on the Sacovia Accords was the catalyst for them starting to turn on each other. That confrontation was ineviatable.
You don't even have to criticize the movie, just make an observation about the villain to get the feels out?
