Well, we now know why Obama didn't want you to read his Columbia Univ. Thesis

[maxb7ty]

Originally Posted by Dynamic X

Originally Posted by ConcordeFliteSchool

Originally Posted by maxb7ty

Originally Posted by maxb7ty

let's see a link cuddy bo

lame

Really that desperate to get laughs?

Aint got @%$+ to do with getting laughs son. If that's your thought process you the lame one. I asked for a link on the first page, now Iknow why he aint never respond you gump.

 

[boys noize]

Damn OP is milk carton status

 

[devildog1776]

Originally Posted by datdamndeuce

I think that you have to believe in the Constitution in order to be the President and also to carry out your Presidential duties, however, at the end of the day people need to realize that politics are all about change. You take up a cause and you run because you want to see things differently. As a result, OUR PRESIDENT, didn't agree with the Constitution (on whatever level) in the past, yet he was blessed enough to be elected into a position where he can actually do more than just write/type/talk about it. He's about change, and NOONE likes change. It's foreign and unknown, and those reasons alone are enough "justification" for some to oppose it.

With that being said, I seriously doubt if he feels the same way now that he felt then. And even if he does, he can't SINGLEHANDEDLY, do ANYTHING about it. He can't turn this nation on it's ear all alone. There are much too many checks and balances.

People need to stop crying about what the President is "doing", when clearly there have to be some Senators and House Reps that agree with his viewpoints as well.

In short, learn your political system before you start to criticize someone who is ultimately just a glorfied figurehead.

BTW, I'm Pro-Obama if it matters....

apparently your one of those that believe in the dog and pony show titled US politics. Obama is controlled by the offshore bankers. His views remain the samebecause he hasn't changed much since entering office. I'm black btw. He promised to pullmthe troops out but he insteads "decides" to deploy60,000 troops to afghanistan by next yr. He continues to pump money into these banks by way of the federal reserve. Trillions of dollars down the pipe and intothe hands of the elite. Just look at his cabinet. Full of lobbyist. He said he was going to rid Washington of lobbyist and he wouldn't appoint none in hiscabinet. He did the exact opposite and appointed a record number of lobbyist and people of special interest. His ambitions are to carry out the NWOs agenda.It's in plain sight. The devalution of the US dollar is underway. Price it against other currencies and you will see the makings of a systematic collapse.Obamas current policies will dictate future outcomes. And it's not gonna be good. We are in the midst of a new age, a new era . Obama is a frontguy forwall st. Transfer the wealth to the elite . " he who controls the money calls the shots". By the way washington and the federal reserve is printingcash we can see who calls the shots. This nwo is coming to a neighborhood near you. What will you do about it , 5 -10 yrs from now when everything you thoughtwas false? Will you blindly follow or will you dig deeper into your inner self and search for the truth. You decide.

 

[sosmoove]

OP bounced on his own thread

 

[cwalk1950]

as a socialist i welcome the change

 

[theswoosh]

Man so where is J Burner? This guy has been salty since election day, i guess some people can come to terms with reality.

 

[Master Zik]

@ not understanding the concept of the amendments in correlation to someone saying as president you don't have to agree with EVERYTHING in theconstitution.

 

[waveyjoneslocker]

Originally Posted by breaux

J burner take marley off as your avy...you are a disgrace

Every time duke posts in a thread someone tells him this.Iagree

This thread is full of comedy

 

[ceekay521]

First post ever... though i've been in and out of the forums for 5 years.

This topic is really interesting because to me, it really shows how educated Obama is on the topic of the rule of law and whether it can theoretically resultin substantive justice, versus the formal sort.

There's a ton of literature on the differences between formal and substantive equality/justice.

I just wrote a paper on the topic (which is how I know a little bit). Some interesting conceptual stuff.

 

[mr kuter]

Originally Posted by breaux

J burner take marley off as your avy...you are a disgrace

 

[mr kuter]

Originally Posted by devildog1776

Originally Posted by datdamndeuce

I think that you have to believe in the Constitution in order to be the President and also to carry out your Presidential duties, however, at the end of the
day people need to realize that politics are all about change. You take up a cause and you run because you want to see things differently. As a result, OUR
PRESIDENT, didn't agree with the Constitution (on whatever level) in the past, yet he was blessed enough to be elected into a position where he can
actually do more than just write/type/talk about it. He's about change, and NOONE likes change. It's foreign and unknown, and those reasons alone are
enough "justification" for some to oppose it.




With that being said, I seriously doubt if he feels the same way now that he felt then. And even if he does, he can't SINGLEHANDEDLY, do ANYTHING about it.
He can't turn this nation on it's ear all alone. There are much too many checks and balances.




People need to stop crying about what the President is "doing", when clearly there have to be some Senators and House Reps that agree with his
viewpoints as well.




In short, learn your political system before you start to criticize someone who is ultimately just a glorfied figurehead.




BTW, I'm Pro-Obama if it matters....

apparently your one of those that believe in the dog and pony show titled US politics. Obama is controlled by the offshore bankers. His views remain the same because he hasn't changed much since entering office. I'm black btw. He promised to pullmthe troops out but he insteads "decides" to deploy 60,000 troops to afghanistan by next yr. He continues to pump money into these banks by way of the federal reserve. Trillions of dollars down the pipe and into the hands of the elite. Just look at his cabinet. Full of lobbyist. He said he was going to rid Washington of lobbyist and he wouldn't appoint none in his cabinet. He did the exact opposite and appointed a record number of lobbyist and people of special interest. His ambitions are to carry out the NWOs agenda. It's in plain sight. The devalution of the US dollar is underway. Price it against other currencies and you will see the makings of a systematic collapse. Obamas current policies will dictate future outcomes. And it's not gonna be good. We are in the midst of a new age, a new era . Obama is a frontguy
for wall st. Transfer the wealth to the elite . " he who controls the money calls the shots". By the way washington and the federal reserve is printing cash we can see who calls the shots. This nwo is coming to a neighborhood near you. What will you do about it , 5 -10 yrs from now when everything you thought was false? Will you blindly follow or will you dig deeper into your inner self and search for the truth. You decide.

mmhhmmm, i see you. Saw you in that other thread too. Im peeping game. Follow the money.

 

[rexanglorum]

It is tragicomedy the way some of you guys defense Obama more vigorously than Barack Obama would. The hero worship is unbecoming to most of you, and I supposevery approriate for thos considering careers as yes men or as salesmen.

Luckily most of yo uwill grow out of it and it is for that reason that I do not hold very much against Barack Obama Thesis from College. While I would be proudto have someone read papars from my senior year I may not in a quarter century. I know for sure that I do not want people to read about or know much about mypolitical beliefs from late in high schoo land early in college. I was an unapologetic socialist, a true advocate of government owning the means of production,setting prices on everything, micro managing the macro economy, nationalizing banks. I grew out of that and I would not want people to think that is what Istill believed. It would look especially bad because while I am libertarian about most things, I liberal about some facets about economic poliy, I would notwant Glenn Beck saying that my support of a negative income is the edge of some covert communist wedge.

Also, college is about sampling new things. Obviously people interpret that to mean sex and drugs, that is not the only thing meant by sampling orexperimenting. In college it is good to conside rall points of view, all ways of thinking, all ideologies and world views and to even try various ways ofliving. After college, when many of us start to actually have real money, careers and family at stake and weightl ydecsions have to be made, we all have to bemore conservative in how we live and think. fortunately college exists as an institution where undergrads can think in unorthodox fashions for aportion oftheir own lives and professors can make a career of thinking in ways that counter act prevailing orthodoxies. The fact that President Obama gave thought, whilehe was in college, to what would be very controversial and unpopular ideas (unchecked government control of private property) is not distressing to me.

I say this as someone who is not very happy many of his policies and his economy. I am not one of the Obama fan boys who will defend him no matter what. Inthis case, there is little or no cause for concern.

 

[boys noize]

^Rexanglorum, this whole thread is BS from the start. There is no Barack Obama Thesis.

 

[rexanglorum]

Originally Posted by Boys Noize

^Rexanglorum, this whole thread is BS from the start. There is no Barack Obama Thesis.

I hadn't seen the middle of the thread where the hoax got revealed until you mentioned that it was a fake. Thank you for pointing that out. There is nodoubt that he actual papers from his years in college are full of similar sentiments but again, it should not matter that much because people's opinions intheir college years are not usually the same as in adulthood.

 

[jumpman247]

LOL @ this being a Hoax. ROFL!!!!!!

 

[essential1]

for @@$% sake, anyone who is unwilling to admit that the Constitution, Articles of Confederation and the "Founders" themselves were imperfect is aperson who should not share their opinion


AND BY THE WAY;

the words of Thomas Paine (the guy you crazy conservatives love to quote, advocated redistribution of wealth"

"It is a position not to be controverted that the earth, in its natural, cultivated state was, and ever would have continued to be, the common property ofthe human race. In that state every man would have been born to property. He would have been a joint life proprietor with rest in the property of the soil, andin all its natural productions, vegetable and animal."

Paine then goes on to claim that in order for the dispossessed to earn their rightful part of this common inheritance, it is necessary to charge wealthylandowners ground-rent that would be used to…

"Create a national fund, out of which there shall be paid to every person, when arrived at the age of twenty-one years, the sum of fifteen poundssterling, as a compensation in part, for the loss of his or her natural inheritance, by the introduction of the system of landed property. And also, the sum often pounds per annum, during life, to every person now living, of the age of fifty years, and to all others as they shall arrive at that age."


Hope you still dislike Distribution of Wealth when one of the heroes of our "creation" thought distribution of wealth, should occur.....

 

[breaux]

Originally Posted by Rexanglorum

Originally Posted by Boys Noize

^Rexanglorum, this whole thread is BS from the start. There is no Barack Obama Thesis.

I hadn't seen the middle of the thread where the hoax got revealed until you mentioned that it was a fake. Thank you for pointing that out. There is no doubt that he actual papers from his years in college are full of similar sentiments but again, it should not matter that much because people's opinions in their college years are not usually the same as in adulthood.

 

[los yankees]

Originally Posted by Essential1

for @@$% sake, anyone who is unwilling to admit that the Constitution, Articles of Confederation and the "Founders" themselves were imperfect is a person who should not share their opinion


AND BY THE WAY;

the words of Thomas Paine (the guy you crazy conservatives love to quote, advocated redistribution of wealth"

"It is a position not to be controverted that the earth, in its natural, cultivated state was, and ever would have continued to be, the common property of the human race. In that state every man would have been born to property. He would have been a joint life proprietor with rest in the property of the soil, and in all its natural productions, vegetable and animal."

Paine then goes on to claim that in order for the dispossessed to earn their rightful part of this common inheritance, it is necessary to charge wealthy landowners ground-rent that would be used to…

"Create a national fund, out of which there shall be paid to every person, when arrived at the age of twenty-one years, the sum of fifteen pounds sterling, as a compensation in part, for the loss of his or her natural inheritance, by the introduction of the system of landed property. And also, the sum of ten pounds per annum, during life, to every person now living, of the age of fifty years, and to all others as they shall arrive at that age."


Hope you still dislike Distribution of Wealth when one of the heroes of our "creation" thought distribution of wealth, should occur.....

Paine was a radical and most of the founders knew that. He actually advocated a progressive income tax and a minimum wage in The Rights of Man, but hecontradicts himself.


I rather take the advice of the people who actually authored the Constitution.

To take from one, because it is thought his own industry and that of his fathers has acquired too much, in order to spare to others, who, or whose fathers, have not exercised equal industry and skill, is to violate arbitrarily the first principle of association, the guarantee to everyone the free exercise of his industry and the fruits acquired by it. - Thomas Jefferson

I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents. - James Madison

The utopian schemes of leveling [redistribution of wealth], and a community of goods, are as visionary and impracticable as those which vest all property in the Crown. [These ideas] are arbitrary, despotic, and, in our government, unconstitutional. - Samuel Adams


Sometimes I actually wonder how this country lasted so long without a federal income tax and welfare to being a country who cant live without it.

 

[Master Zik]

Originally Posted by breaux

Originally Posted by Rexanglorum

Originally Posted by Boys Noize

^Rexanglorum, this whole thread is BS from the start. There is no Barack Obama Thesis.

I hadn't seen the middle of the thread where the hoax got revealed until you mentioned that it was a fake. Thank you for pointing that out. There is no doubt that he actual papers from his years in college are full of similar sentiments but again, it should not matter that much because people's opinions in their college years are not usually the same as in adulthood.

This is funny because it's the Question and Lex Luthor

I hope art imitates life.

 

[essential1]

Los Yankees wrote:

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Paine was a radical and most of the founders knew that. He actually advocated a progressive income tax and a minimum wage in The Rights of Man, but he contradicts himself.


I rather take the advice of the people who actually authored the Constitution.

To take from one, because it is thought his own industry and that of his fathers has acquired too much, in order to spare to others, who, or whose fathers, have not exercised equal industry and skill, is to violate arbitrarily the first principle of association, the guarantee to everyone the free exercise of his industry and the fruits acquired by it. - Thomas Jefferson

I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents. - James Madison

The utopian schemes of leveling [redistribution of wealth], and a community of goods, are as visionary and impracticable as those which vest all property in the Crown. [These ideas] are arbitrary, despotic, and, in our government, unconstitutional. - Samuel Adams


Sometimes I actually wonder how this country lasted so long without a federal income tax and welfare to being a country who cant live without it.


Facts are stubborn things..

Let's dive into some of what you are saying shall we?

Thomas Jefferson (one of the "greatest minds in the history of the United States") and the rest of the Founders, I am singleing out Jefferson becausehe is the dubbed the Supreme Author of the Constitution of the United States did not believe in this Country or the United States of America either.

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

Liberty being the only word to even care about right now, because it is ironic how a man can preach how much of a blessing liberty is and OWNSLAVES.

Our cause is just. Our union is perfect. Our internal resources are great, and, if necessary, foreign assistance is undoubtedly attainable. - We gratefully acknowledge, as signal instances of the Divine favour towards us, that his Providence would not permit us to be called into this severe controversy, until we were grown up to our present strength, had been previously exercised in warlike operation, and possessed of the means of defending ourselves. With hearts fortified with these animating reflections, we most solemnly, before God and the world, declare, that, exerting the utmost energy of those powers, which our beneficent Creator hath graciously bestowed upon us, the arms we have been compelled by our enemies to assume, we will, in defiance of every hazard, with unabating firmness and perseverence, employ for the preservation of our liberties; being with one mind resolved to die freemen rather than to live slaves. -Jefferson, Declaration of the Cause and the Necessity of taking Up Arms (1775)

rather die a freeman than be a slave because America is built on freedom, except for blacks according to Jefferson.

All persons shall have full and free liberty of religious opinion; nor shall any be compelled to frequent or maintain any religious institution.


Free religious opinion, hmmmmmm but black people were often segregated from white organized religion, or had religion thrusted upon them by their master to bemore complacent


You may recognize this quote that he helped author

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with inherent and inalienable Rights; that among these, are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness; that to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed; that whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the people to alter or abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles, and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."-Declaration of Independence

So all men are equal except blacks? Whenever the government becomes desructive of the ends from the consent of the governed. So any littledisagreement with government, we the people are allowed to overthrow it.. According to Jefferson the south had the right to secede and wage war on the Northright? They didn't consent to slavery being taken away so they tried to overthrow it, therefore they are right. Give me a break man.. Did black people getthe chance to abolish the government? Sure, if you count a few slave revolts but what happened in almost every single one, they were killed.. Let'scontinue,

Here's another ironic quote from Mr. Jefferson

"What a stupendous, what an incomprehensible machine is man! Who can endure toil, famine, stripes, imprisonment and death itself in vindication of his own liberty, and the next moment . . . inflict on his fellow men a bondage, one hour of which is fraught with more misery than ages of that which he rose in rebellion to oppose. "-Letter to Jean Nicholas Demeunier (1786)

Once again he owned slaves.



A true quote from Jefferson

"The two principles on which our conduct towards the Indians should be founded, are justice and fear. After the injuries we have done them, they cannot love us ."


It is an obvious statement but well the man did own slaves. Where was their justice? By the way, what justice did he give Native Americans?



A personal classic of the Teabagger parties

God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, and always, well informed. The part which is wrong will be discontented, in proportion to the importance of the facts they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions, it is lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty. ... What country before ever existed a century and half without a rebellion? And what country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure. - Thomas Jefferson (1787)


remind me again did he think that slavery was not a restriction on liberty?

He who made us would have been a pitiful bungler, if he had made the rules of our moral conduct a matter of science. For one man of science, there are thousands who are not. What would have become of them? Man was destined for society. His morality, therefore, was to be formed to this object. He was endowed with a sense of right and wrong, merely relative to this.-Letter to Peter Carr 1787

Above all things, lose no occasion of exercising your dispositions to be grateful, to be generous, to be charitable, to be humane, to be true, just, firm, orderly, courageous, &c. Consider every act of this kind, as an exercise which will strengthen your moral faculties and increase your worth

except when it comes to black people according to Jefferson

I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty, than those attending too small a degree of it.-Letter to Archibald Stuart

In the very first session held under the republican government, the assembly passed a law for the perpetual prohibition of the importation of slaves. This will in some measure stop the increase of this great political and moral evil, while the minds of our citizens may be ripening for a complete emancipation of human nature.- Notes on the State of Virginia

A moral evil he participated in, and the importation was prohibition 20 years out (in those 20 years were the highest numbers of importation ofslaves), and established the Fugitive Slave Laws.. But allowing slave owners to regain possession of a HUMAN BEING trying obtain FREEDOM and LIBERTY is ok?Also allowed the 3/5th's clause which gave the South more representation, to continue slavery for another 80 years..

The slave, when made free, might mix with, without staining the blood of his master. But with us a second is necessary, unknown to history. When freed, he is to be removed beyond the reach of mixture.


But it was cool for him to have kids with Sally Hemmings?

"Comparing them by their faculties of memory, reason, and imagination, it appears to me, that in memory they are equal to the whites; in reason much inferior, as think one could scarcely be found capable of tracing and comprehending the investigations of Euclid; and that in imagination they are dull, tasteless, and anomalous."-Thomas Jefferson, Notes on the State of Virginia (this is only part of the racism of it, it is 10x worse.)



I will not go in on your thoughts of Federal Income Tax or Welfare. If you cannot see what they are used for and why the came about and theimportance of both, then I really don't want to argue with you about it

Los Yankees the moral of this whole story is don't get all angry about this. If you want to call out Barack Obama for this thesis, go ahead. But don'tquote a man who obviously didn't believe in the Constitution either, and he wrote it.

So do everyone a favor and get off of Obama for a second because your blind hatred is so foggy, you can't stand to see what you are talking about . You areso damn worried about what Obama says, you quote Jefferson to show how "smart" you are while completely ignoring every dumb, racist and ignorantthing Jefferson said because he is a Founder. Oh and he's a Conservative...YIPPIE! You sir have proved you have no basis for argument except for yourhatred of the man because you disagree with his policy, and don't know how to back it up.

 

[trunks206]

Originally Posted by Ricardo Malta

Originally Posted by RavageBX

Originally Posted by cguy610

Conservative Blogs Fall for Scam Post About Obama Paper on Constitution


Posted on Friday, October 23, 2009 2:32:03 PM by kristinn

Two months ago, the blog Jumping in Pools, which has been banned from FR for its chain-yanking postings of bogus news stories, posted a bogus story about Time magazine writer Joe Klein supposedly reporting on Barack Obama's writings at Columbia University about the Constitution.

Apparently without doing any research to see if Klein had actually written such an article, respected sites including American Thinker and Pajamas Media got all excited about the story and reported it today as if it were true.

They apparently hadn't noticed there was no source link at Jumping in Pools back to the supposed Joe Klein article. A search of the web produced no original source. A search of Time magazine for the term "Aristocracy Reborn", the supposed title of Obama's paper, returned this message: "Your search produced no results."

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2369455/posts

How pathetic. OP /yourself

A+

 

[eastcoastpapi]

who really cares tho? that was like what 20/30 years ago?

I mean the con.. is way outdated anyway from 1787. times change and things need to change.

 

[the fame]

I would like to remind some of you that this paper is completely false,
and has no tie whatsoever to Obama.

Rush Was Punked: "Obama Thesis" Hoax

It must have seemed so perfect. An obscure blogger unearths some pages of President Obama's college thesis. The report supposedly comes from big-time journalist Joe Klein of Time magazine. And the thesis has some real gems: like Obama's disdain for the Constitution.

The whole thing was nothing more than a satirical post on a humor blog. But Rush Limbaugh, who quoted from the supposed thesis on his radio show, sure wasn't laughing. Here's how it went down.

An unknown blogger picked up on a made-up post meant as a joke, which claimed that Joe Klein had gotten his hands on 10 pages of student Obama's college thesis. Rush Limbaugh jumped on it, which immediately sparked Web searches on "obama thesis."

Supposedly titled "Aristocracy Revisited," the excerpt revealed the president had "doubts" about the "so-called founders." Juicy. Except not true. Limbaugh discovered halfway through his show that he'd been had, but defended himself by saying basically the thesis felt true. Listen in to Rush's mea sorta culpa.

Joe Klein finally jumped in, and called the report "nonsense" on his Swampland blog, and the blogger who thought the hoax was real also apologized.

Let's hope someone kept their sense of humor in all this. Still, for a humble post to go from humor blog to major media outlet sure seems impressive. Someone ought to write their thesis on it. For real.

 

[nicedudewithnicedreams]

J Burner FTL...

 

[the fame]

Originally Posted by nicedudewithnicedreams

J Burner FTL...

Word, guy doesn't have the testicular fortitude to comeback and confront a mistake/assumption he made.
What a {}.
Watch he try to comeback like 3 days later with some excuse...followed by of course another political
driven thread.

He def has a future within the republican party.