WrestleMania Fallout 4/6 - NT WrestleMania Prediction Contest Results Posted! p1

[4wrestling]

Originally Posted by ShaunHillFTW49

Originally Posted by theDEEK

The thought of the match is insane though. Two guys who left WWE to persue other things and had success in other careers, come back after so long to headline Wrestlemania for the WWE championship.

feud built with two guys that have  minimal commitment to live shows?

Brock will be working approximately 2 dates per month.
This is speculation...

His time during 2012 will be spent being re-established as a monster, destroying most of WWE's top guys.  Rock will be back around Rumble to win the WWE Title.  Rock will then be there plenty leading up to WM to build there match.

I've even read speculation that Brock wins the World Title, and it's a unification match at WM29.

 

[4wrestling]

Originally Posted by solidsnake


Brock Lesnar will be returning to a WWE ring much sooner than some fans may be expecting. Lesnar signed with WWE over the weekend and could wrestle his first match as soon as Extreme Rules later this month or Over The Limit in May. As we've been reporting, Lesnar has signed a 1-year deal with limited appearances - which will culminate in a match at next year's WrestleMania 29.

During Lesnar's first run with the company a decade ago, Paul Heyman served as Lesnar's mouthpiece, accurately touting him as the "Next big Thing." According to WWE sources, there are currently no plans to bring Heyman in with Lesnar. Heyman has is a very busy man with a number of ongoing projects through his Looking For Larry agency based out of New York City.

That's not to say that there aren't people that want Heyman back on WWE television. WWE (and TNA) has reached out to him in recent years, but the two sides could never reach an agreement. Anything is possible, but for now, WWE is moving forward with Brock Lesnar under the assumption that Paul Heyman will not be on board.

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I would be surprised if he wrestles at Extreme Rules, just because he will probably only make one other appearance before that show.  Over the Limit seems more likely.  He could squash someone for his first match back.
I know WWE wants him to be a heel, so we'll see how they book him because at least initially, he's going to be cheered every time he comes out, just like Jericho.  Maybe they should have him lay out Daniel Bryan....

 

[yardfather]

4w I agree with pretty much everything you're saying in regards to Sting and the biggest Wrestlemania matches and whatnot.

But Starrcade 97 did the highest buyrate of any WCW PPV ever, so how is it fair to say Sting never drew money?

 

[Case]

Originally Posted by 4wrestling

Originally Posted by casekicks

I just don't see it the way you do 4w..I don't see how you can use age against a Sting/Taker match when Taker/HHH's combined age is 90..And you can't tell me that Sting never drew crowds or made money..When NWO came into WCW there were 2 questions that were asked every single week on-air..And those were "Who's going to join the NWO next?" and "Where is Sting/What is Sting going to do"..During WCWs biggest run, when they were beating WWF in the ratings, the 2 biggest guys in the promotion were Sting and Goldberg (and of course you can make the arguement that the NWO was bigger, which may be true, but as a group and not as individuals)..And I never understood how people like pro wrestling writers can judge whether a wrestler was a good draw or not..There are so many factors that could influence ticket/ppv sales, like economy/war/unemployment/ticket and ppv prices..It's just too easy to say, "Well Bash at the Beach did worse than last year and Sting was in the main event so its his fault" when the fact could be that the year Sting headlined the rest of card was garbage compared to the previous year that could have been loaded top to bottom..No matter what, if you could bring him in for a Taker match at WM it would be so huge it's not even funny..You guys remember when those mystery spots with the date were being advertised on Raw and people thought it would be Sting and how everyone was going nuts and getting hyped thinking it would be?..

I'm sorry, but it was Internet fans going nuts with speculation, and a fact that cannot be argued is that "smart" internet wrestling fans make up a minuscule portion of WWE's business.  There have been many times the internet is buzzing over something and there is little to no change in actual business.  Perfect example... Raw ratings and MITB buyrate after CM Punk's "shoot" last year.
Taker and HHH being 90 is different because they are cornerstones of WWE for the past 15 years.  They are WWE legends.  Sting is not a WWE legend.  Now when I say this next part, you must remember I am talking about WWE's audience, not hardcore pro wrestling fans.  The vast majority of WWE's audience either thinks Sting has been retired for 10+ years since WCW went out of business, or they have no idea who he is at all.  Bringing in an essentially "retired guy off the street" is not going to pop WWE's business.  It's not what WWE's audience wants to see.

Again I have to disagree..You're talking about Internet fans like thats a small portion of fans, when in fact it's the opposite..Don't you remember how each week you'd see more and more sting posters in the crowd and you'd see more and more wrestling news outlets talking about whether it was Sting or not in the vignettes?..And using the CM Punk "shoot" is a bad example because that caused news in mainstream media and wasn't just an "internet buzz" thing..

Taker and HHH's age isn't different..Your the one who said YOU wouldn't want to see it because of Sting/UT's combined age..Then I came back with UT/HHH's age is only about 10 yrs younger..Now you're trying to take the age thing in a different direction by using their age and their WWE seniority to help your argument..And I don't think you could be further from the truth when talking about WWE's audience..With the inflated costs of tickets, parking, snacks/drinks, and merchandise, do you really think the people filling the seats and buying ppv's are just some random halfassed wrestling fan that has very little clue as to whats going on?..No it's not..It's people that are into wrestling(granted not nearly at the level most of us are) and have knowledge of whats going on and get on the internet from time to time and see whats going on in the world of wrestling..You can't tell me that the majority of WWE audience is people that are just clueless when it comes to wrestling and have zero clue who Sting is..Cause for every young Cena fan in crowd crying cause he got F5'ed, *cough* 4w *cough*, there is a parent in their 20's/30's/early 40's who is bringing them there to the arena, and showing them old DVD's, and telling them stories..

  

 

[Case]

BREAKING NEWS..Former WWE wrestler Maven has been arrested in Florida for "doctor shopping"..Maven had several scripts for Percocet and Vicodin filled over the course of 2 weeks and cops say he scored more than 1,000 pills..SMH..

 

[agthekid]

Originally Posted by casekicks

BREAKING NEWS..Former WWE wrestler Maven has been arrested in Florida for "doctor shopping"..Maven had several scripts for Percocet and Vicodin filled over the course of 2 weeks and cops say he scored more than 1,000 pills..SMH..

Damn never would have guessed

 

[grizzly hebert]

Guess those Home Shopping Network checks weren't cutting it.

 

[Peep Game]

Originally Posted by MoodMuzik75

Originally Posted by 6 rings MJ

The people I want to see Lesnar wrestle is:
-Cena
-Undertaker
-Orton
-HHH
-CM Punk

That would be an aaaaaawful match. Orton can't wrestle for *%%* dudes dull as hell. Plus orton is dull , legend killer was better . Face orton sucks

I wouldn't mind Orton taking 10 F-5's in a row.

 

[captain charisma85]

A thought I had, and I hate to beat a dead horse, but I think WWE is really pushing it when it comes to these Wrestlemania main events. How long can they depend on this formula of bringing people back to get their Super Bowl over? Don't get me wrong, I am on board for Brock and he's an exception cause he'll be around longer than just the one match, but again we revert back to the "when will they create new stars" issue.
Of the 4 main events at this year's Wrestlemania I would say only Daniel Bryan and Sheamus was the only match that had WWE's future involved and look what they did with that... 18 freaking seconds. John Cena faced off against a returning Rock, CM Punk faced off against basically a returning Chris Jericho, and Triple H and Undertaker won't be around much longer. Now we are talking about Brock vs. Rock and the (pure speculation/fantasy) possibility of HHH/HBK and perhaps Steve Austin being thrown into the mix. I just don't think this is a good strategy for future guys. Let's take last year's Wrestlemania it was basically composed of current roster talent, and it was terrible. Outside of HBK/Undertaker 2, Wrestlemania XXVI, was pretty lack luster too (and I was there). The same can pretty much be said for Wrestlemania's 23-27 that's half a decades worth. WWE's future is guys like Orton, Punk, Bryan, Del Rio, Miz, Ziggler, among a few others and (with the exception of Punk and Orton) a majority of times, these guys have been made out to look weak, even when they have had championship gold.

Now, I know every Wrestlemania can't be a home run, and it is cool to have some nostalgia at these events, but it just worries me that with wild rumors of Rob Van Dam or even to a lesser extent the Dudley Boyz talking about coming back, WWE is more concerned of who they can bring back as opposed to developing their own corps. 

As for the topic of Sting/Undertaker, no, it would only please "smart marks" (and honestly even I have no interest in that), and 4w is right, Sting is way overrated. He had his moments in WCW no doubt but I guarantee if WWE tried to build a Wrestlemania around that, buyrates would be awful.

 

[Mcflyy]

Originally Posted by 4wrestling

Originally Posted by ShaunHillFTW49

Originally Posted by theDEEK

The thought of the match is insane though. Two guys who left WWE to persue other things and had success in other careers, come back after so long to headline Wrestlemania for the WWE championship.

feud built with two guys that have  minimal commitment to live shows?

Brock will be working approximately 2 dates per month.
This is speculation...

His time during 2012 will be spent being re-established as a monster, destroying most of WWE's top guys.  Rock will be back around Rumble to win the WWE Title.  Rock will then be there plenty leading up to WM to build there match.

I've even read speculation that Brock wins the World Title, and it's a unification match at WM29.

I was saying that some pages back, I think that would be a great way to bring the Era of brand separation to an end just how this WM brought the end of 2 GM's (side-note, is Johnny Ace now the permanent GM of is he still interim of both shows now?).
I'd have Brock win the WHC at Survivor Series, defend it all the way to EC and start the 2 month long feud with Rock after he defends the WWE title at EC but that's just imo.

 

[jdcurt2]

Apparently the Ambrose/Foley video was setup and there was even an agent there taking notes. Hopefully this leads to a feud between the two of them. 

It wouldn't surprise me one bit if they did Cena/Brock at Extreme Rules given how the WWE always rushes storylines. I'm hoping when Cena calls out Brock on Raw this Monday, Batista comes out instead and Cena and Batista can have a program until Cena/Brock. 

 

[Peep Game]

Originally Posted by Captain Charisma85

A thought I had, and I hate to beat a dead horse, but I think WWE is really pushing it when it comes to these Wrestlemania main events. How long can they depend on this formula of bringing people back to get their Super Bowl over? Don't get me wrong, I am on board for Brock and he's an exception cause he'll be around longer than just the one match, but again we revert back to the "when will they create new stars" issue.

You pretty much answered it right there. Until they focus on bringing in competent writers and start truly developing characters for people to actually connect with, they'll have to 
keep doing that until they gas out and end up having Tyler Reks vs Yoshi Tatsu at Wrestlemania (an exaggeration but not too much). The WWE has been very satisfied with instant

gratification, and never really plan for the future. For so long they have done things just for a quick pop or swerve/surprise for the crowd, but it ends up meaning nothing not too long

after that. And creating new stars doesn't mean shoving guys who obviously aren't ready on tv, pushing them to the moon, and getting mad when they don't fail or connect. They have 

to learn to build and sustain guys. HHH is attempting that plan right now, we just have to see how well it works. 

 

[100proof]

Originally Posted by jdcurt2


Apparently the Ambrose/Foley video was setup and there was even an agent there taking notes. Hopefully this leads to a feud between the two of them. 

It wouldn't surprise me one bit if they did Cena/Brock at Extreme Rules given how the WWE always rushes storylines. I'm hoping when Cena calls out Brock on Raw this Monday, Batista comes out instead and Cena and Batista can have a program until Cena/Brock. 

Did I miss something? where'd this talk of batista coming back come from?

 

[4wrestling]

 

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[scott frost]

Originally Posted by 100PROOF

Originally Posted by jdcurt2


Apparently the Ambrose/Foley video was setup and there was even an agent there taking notes. Hopefully this leads to a feud between the two of them. 

It wouldn't surprise me one bit if they did Cena/Brock at Extreme Rules given how the WWE always rushes storylines. I'm hoping when Cena calls out Brock on Raw this Monday, Batista comes out instead and Cena and Batista can have a program until Cena/Brock. 

Did I miss something? where'd this talk of batista coming back come from?

He was either rumored to be or was in Miami during WM weekend. 
  

 

[elchapulincolorado]

Originally Posted by 4wrestling

Originally Posted by ELCHAPULINCOLORADO

Originally Posted by 4wrestling

Case and Gunna, I respect your opinions but again I have to disagree.
My first argument... At WM 29, Taker will be 48, Sting will be 54.  I'm sorry, but you cannot sell me on a dream match where the combined age of the wrestlers are over 100.




Secondly, what track record does WWE have of initially pushing any wrestler that they didn't create (from the 90's on)?  Goldberg, Jericho, RVD, DDP, Taz, Vader, Flair (92 run), Booker T, everyone else in the Invasion, and many international stars.  Yes, some of these guys were pushed after years of being in WWE, but initially, all were mishandled.  What makes you think Vince would bring in Sting for a short-term deal and push him as a star?




Do you really think that Vince is going to show tape libraries of Sting from the 80s and 90s on Raw to get him over as a star?  Vince has done everything possible to distance himself from professional wrestling of the past.  When was the last time you saw WWE acknowledge anything from the past?  If it hasn't happened in the past 365 days, it never happened in the WWE Universe.




Many fans turned on The Undertaker this year during the build to the match.  The segments were saved by HHH and Shawn Michaels.  You really think the WWE audience is going to give two old guys, one that 95% of the audience have ZERO connection with, a chance?  I'm sorry, but Sting is not the star that everyone makes him out to be.

And finally to follow up on my last point, Sting NEVER drew when he was put in the role as top star.  I hate to reference Meltzer and Bruce Mitchell because I'll get crap from some of you, but listen to them or read their stuff.  When Sting was the top star of WCW, ticket sales were down, PPV buyrates were down.  He did not draw well in WCW's stronghold areas in South East and Mid-Atlantic in the late 80's.  There is a reason that Sting isn't in the Observer Hall of Fame (someone objectively chosen by wrestling media and peers, not by Meltzer himself).  Sting was never a big business draw.

like it or not

sting is and always will be a legend. everybody that follows wrestling knows who sting is.

you dont think vkm will want to make as much money as possible if he singns a short term deal?

Don't ever disrespect me again by crossing out the FACTS that I have written, no less by following it up with an ignorant statement that your underdeveloped brain has failed to make an actual argument for.

   wah wah wah.
im done with your threads.
talk about being worst than the bleacher report.

 

[3dgarfly23]

Originally Posted by 4wrestling

lmaooo  

yo I might use this as my new avy 

edit nvm someone beat me to it 

 

[Peep Game]

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[gregzzy23]

4W, you feel like NINETY FIVE percent of WWE's audience wont connect with Taker/Sting? I'm not saying you're wrong but thats a huge number, I hope theres more than 5% of us out there.

I think theres noooo doubt whatsoever a Sting/Taker WM can be pulled off as they're both in solid shape for 50 year olds and WWE owns WCW libraries. BUT Vince doesnt need Sting, Sting doesnt need or need WWE and its a damn shame.

 

[3dgarfly23]

so mania did 1.9 million pay-per-view buys hmmmmmmm

 

[yardfather]

Originally Posted by chillainvillain

So I hear Wrestlemania did 1.9 million buys?

source?

 

[100proof]

Originally Posted by 3dgarfly23

Originally Posted by 4wrestling

lmaooo  

yo I might use this as my new avy 

edit nvm someone beat me to it 

go head and use it, I jacked it from another board anyway

 

[3dgarfly23]

Originally Posted by YardFather

Originally Posted by chillainvillain

So I hear Wrestlemania did 1.9 million buys?

source?

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