Yooo, Kanye on Sway in the Morning. (updated)

no where did i say kanye was the first to mention high end fashion. thats obvious. you obviously dense.

but he is the first to design for high end fashion, bringing the hip hop culture to Louis Vuitton. He named a shoe, the Louis Vuitton Don.

There's hip hop culture in that.

what else you got?

So it doesn't matter that Run DMC? LL? Jay-Z? 50? Nelly? Pharrell? blah blah

All had sneakers...Kanye is special because he worked with some company he's crying over.

And hasn't Puff designed his OWN high end fashion? Since he sells everything from t-shirts to tuxedos.
 
So it doesn't matter that Run DMC? LL? Jay-Z? 50? Nelly? Pharrell? blah blah

All had sneakers...Kanye is special because he worked with some company he's crying over.

And hasn't Puff designed his OWN high end fashion? Since he sells everything from t-shirts to tuxedos.


you just compared Sean John, which is only carried by Macys, to Louis Vuitton. (there's levels to fashion, and Macy's isn't high end fashion)
You probably think, that Puff designs the clothes too lol. puff runs the business, there's a difference.


and all those rappers you mentioned, pharrell had the 2nd best shoe to Kanye...this is what it looked like View media item 678769
and you're comparing the level of design and quality to kanyes

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Kanye's design had all original ideas, while Pharrel put a brain on the side of the shoe. dope.

you don't know what your talking about man. understand the conversation before you start putting out :{
 
I don't know what I'm talking about :lol

You don't even know what your argument is and what you're trying to say. Much less your knowledge or hip hop.

That's why you're continuously trying to lower the bar from your original statement. Now it's what sneaker the hypebeast likes best?

Kanye doesn't even write much of his own lyrics or do his own beats at this point, but you think he's designing his own footwear and clothing :lol Oh yeah I forgot, he designed the sole for the Yeezy I and 2. :lol

Kanye wishes he could be sold in Macy's.

Pull your skirt down b, your Kanye underoos are showing.
 
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not only did Nelly talk about selling drugs, smoking weed and bustin gats, but he was always heavily criticized in the hip hop community for his music...not to mention, his window only lasted about 5 years and faded

Ye never talked about any of that stuff, is an critically acclaimed artist and is still the most talked about person in the industry (as seen in this 42 page thread)...

nice try tho

:eek

I read this while I was listening to "addiction"

:rollin
 
KANYE’S FRANTZ FANON COMPLEX

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Frantz Fannon




I recently wrote an article called, “Harry Belafonte Was Right About Jay-Z.” The article went viral, generating a huge response from the Black community and beyond. A few readers were puzzled when I stated, “Kanye West…often laments about racism but strives to uphold the same materialistic values that help drive economic disparities.” Now, I will explore this more thoroughly.

There is no denying that Kanye West has had a tremendous impact on the music industry and pop culture. From the beginning of his mainstream career, Kanye has been critical of issues dealing with racism and the structures within it. His infamous, “George Bush doesn’t care about Black people,” statement caused a media frenzy and solidified the general sentiments of the Black community during the Hurricane Katrina tragedy.

Yet it seems with more fame and popularity, Kanye’s commentary has shifted from calling out racism because it’s wrong, to calling out racism because he didn’t get a seat at the table. This is the bigger issue.


The distinguished psychiatrist Frantz Fanon addressed this line of thinking in his 1961 classic Wretched of the Earth. In this literary masterpiece, Fanon deconstructed the colonized mind.

“The gaze that the colonized subject casts at the colonist’s sector is a look of lust, a look of envy. Dreams of possession. Every type of possession; of sitting at the colonist’s table and sleeping in his bed, preferably with his wife. The colonized man is an envious man.”
One cannot deny the lasting effects that slavery and colonialism has had on African Americans and people of African descent around the world. In a recent interview, Kanye vehemently states, “We’re all slaves!” I understand him to a certain extent. Indeed, there is a systematic glass ceiling that prevents people of African descent and people from low economic classes from upward mobility. Even when some rise up the ranks, there are still many barriers that prevent them from attaining certain goals because they do not come from a certain class (the old money class). This is where I understand Kanye on the fashion industry. They don’t want him and they never will. He will forever be categorized as “urban,” a description he is desperately running away from because he knows that this is another way of being pigeonholed and prevented from making a significant impact (beyond blackness and urbanism) in the fashion industry.


In some ways it coincides with W.E.B Du Bois’ description of double consciousness:

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W.E.B. Dubois

It is a peculiar sensation, this double-consciousness, this sense of always looking at one’s self through the eyes of others, of measuring one’s soul by the tape of a world that looks on in amused contempt and pity. One ever feels his two-ness,—an American, a Negro; two souls, two thoughts, two unreconciled strivings; two warring ideals in one dark body, whose dogged strength alone keeps it from being torn asunder.
However, Kanye has time and time again demonstrated that he is displeased with the system solely based on the fact that he wants a seat at the table. His anger is steeped in envy rather than reform. And this is dangerous because we get away from transforming these hierarchical structures, to unknowingly reinforcing them.

For example, this is evident in his almost complete dismissal of Black models for his runway shows in Paris. He doesn’t seem too concerned about the pains of racism unless it’s affecting his own progress. Instead, he went with the flow and continued to allow for Black models to be denied a chance at equality. He also cheers on fashion brands that are known for their lack of diversity. The fashion brand Céline, was recently boycotted by the supermodel Iman, because of their refusal to hire Black models. Meanwhile Kanye West orders full wardrobes of Céline clothing, attends their shows and sports their brand.

Furthermore, he has a lack of respect for African American history. Much like the N-Word, no matter what way you look at it, the Confederate flag represents the deep rooted oppression of African Americans. In fact, it was used as a tool to remind us of our “place.” After the Brown v. Board of Education desegregation ruling, the state of Georgia started using the Confederate flag as a sign of the good ole’ days.


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The painful past associated with the symbolism surrounding the flag and what it represents is no laughing or fashion forward matter. According to the Southern Poverty Law Center, about 500 extremist groups still use the cross on the Confederate Flag as a symbol of white superiority. This example is tired and old but I can’t imagine someone wearing a Swastika for fashion. I wonder if Kanye will start wearing symbols promoting the South African apartheid era next.

When Kanye speaks about racism or slavery, he’s not doing it for the ordinary people, but instead for sensationalism. He is using the Confederate flag to generate buzz, no matter how hurtful it may be.

He also has an incessant belief that Paris is the only fashion mecca and it has to let him in. Kanye recently wanted to help the Louis Vuitton brand with his “influence.” They promptly rejected the offer.

Kanye has an obsession with getting acceptance, but not the “colored” kind. When the radio host Sway tried to encourage him to maybe create his own way, Kanye gave the now Twitter famous reply, “ You ain’t got the answers Sway.”

Indeed none of us may have the complete answers to racism and upward mobility. However, given his track record and current behavior, Kanye simply can’t be taken seriously on racism. With every new Kanye rant we are witnessing a public display of internal conflict consisting of Fanon’s “dreams of possession” and Dubois’ double consciousness. Ultimately, he cares more about having a seat at the table with the same people he accuses of racism and classism, than bringing about change.


http://ourlegaci.com/2013/12/02/kanyes-frantz-fanon-complex/

that is a great article, with some thoughtful analysis though i'm not sure i'd agree in totality with the conclusion. i think it is fairly obvious kanye is salty (lawry's!) about his acceptance (or lack thereof) in the world of high end fashion, but i'm willing to take him at his word when he says he is trying to build, create, and be involved with things at/of a certain quality that (rightly or wrongly) he believes he NEEDS the infrastructure that world would provide, at least that is how i understand much of his hard to follow rationale. while race almost undoubtedly plays a factor, i do think his (kanye's) inclusion of it in his argument obscures the issue, mostly because the 'glass ceiling' he's trying to 'break' would likely be just as hard to overcome were he not black.

this isn't to say things he talking about in regards to the idea of 'new slaves' aren't true in many ways, i think it is just seems contradictory coming from the 'louis vuitton don' (something that doesn't seem to be lost on kanye) but i think we'd do well not to discount/ignore the message due to the messenger; after all contradiction is quite a human endeavor. it isn't really the conflict of ideas that is important to note but how we deal with it...

(definition) pioneer- a person who is among the first to explore or settle a new country or area.

have you seen anyone in hip hop explore high end fashion, music, and concerts like kanye has?

you talk like you're a hip-hop historian. enlighten me.

I'm really wondering what is hip hop about this, but I'll play along anyway. :{

So Kanye was the first to mention high end fashion in hip hop?

So what exactly were Kim, Fox and Eve talking about?

He was doing it before Jay? Biggie?

So Tupac really didn't model at a Versace fashion show?

Kanye stans man :{

i don't really think it is really even arguable to say that kanye has been influential & maybe is one of the more accomplished personalities in hip-hop/music culture and maybe you could even say one of the more artistic/experimental/exploratory too. but to say he was any kind of pioneer is a really huge REEEEAAAACH. what kanye has done is sort of improve (debatable) on the formula, synthesize/distill many influences/inspirations relevant to popular culture & parlay that into some commercial success(es) not so much that he is treading onto areas before unknown.

and in this his frustration makes sense, because the ground he is trying to get to is all that unfamiliar. the distinction, with maybe the exception of pharrell, is that those that came before seemed to be much more concerned with the business than the art, i believe kanye wants to do more than affix his name to a product; there an irony in that it seems, superficially, that he is sort of just wants to be aligned with those established brands so that he can affix his name to their product...
 
I don't know what I'm talking about :lol

You don't even know what your argument is and what you're trying to say. Much less your knowledge or hip hop.

That's why you're continuously trying to lower the bar from your original statement. Now it's what sneaker the hypebeast likes best?

Kanye doesn't even write much of his own lyrics or do his own beats at this point, but you think he's designing his own footwear and clothing :lol Oh yeah I forgot, he designed the sole for the Yeezy I and 2. :lol

Kanye wishes he could be sold in Macy's.

Pull your skirt down b, your Kanye underoos are showing.



ok. you clearly don't know what you're talking about.

you said a whole bunch of nothing b.

and yet you sitll haven't proved you know anything about hip hop. i'll add some :smokin :lol to keep it interesting.
 
Kanye designed the yeezys?

I thought it was clear that those were just a mash up of a bunch of different older shoes?

And aesthetics is clearly objective...

But do you really think the shoe is that fly? I mean... If ye didn't have his name behind them...

Would they RTV'd... Sent back to Nike for their outlet stores...?

I think so.
 
So are the adidas gonna go with a whole new design? Or will they take off the nike swoosh and put the adidas pyramid on
 
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Now that the Adidas deal is official...

I'm waiting for Nike to release the Yeezys under a different name and mass produced then watch all the idiots who paid thousands on Yeezys scramble to get something for them on eBay
 
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that is a great article, with some thoughtful analysis though i'm not sure i'd agree in totality with the conclusion. i think it is fairly obvious kanye is salty (lawry's!) about his acceptance (or lack thereof) in the world of high end fashion, but i'm willing to take him at his word when he says he is trying to build, create, and be involved with things at/of a certain quality that (rightly or wrongly) he believes he NEEDS the infrastructure that world would provide, at least that is how i understand much of his hard to follow rationale. while race almost undoubtedly plays a factor, i do think his (kanye's) inclusion of it in his argument obscures the issue, mostly because the 'glass ceiling' he's trying to 'break' would likely be just as hard to overcome were he not black.

this isn't to say things he talking about in regards to the idea of 'new slaves' aren't true in many ways, i think it is just seems contradictory coming from the 'louis vuitton don' (something that doesn't seem to be lost on kanye) but i think we'd do well not to discount/ignore the message due to the messenger; after all contradiction is quite a human endeavor. it isn't really the conflict of ideas that is important to note but how we deal with it...
i don't really think it is really even arguable to say that kanye has been influential & maybe is one of the more accomplished personalities in hip-hop/music culture and maybe you could even say one of the more artistic/experimental/exploratory too. but to say he was any kind of pioneer is a really huge REEEEAAAACH. what kanye has done is sort of improve (debatable) on the formula, synthesize/distill many influences/inspirations relevant to popular culture & parlay that into some commercial success(es) not so much that he is treading onto areas before unknown.

and in this his frustration makes sense, because the ground he is trying to get to is all that unfamiliar. the distinction, with maybe the exception of pharrell, is that those that came before seemed to be much more concerned with the business than the art, i believe kanye wants to do more than affix his name to a product; there an irony in that it seems, superficially, that he is sort of just wants to be aligned with those established brands so that he can affix his name to their product...

I agree. I also mostly agree with the article that you posted. A very good article at that.
 
 
Pretty sure Nelly was a non violent mainstream rapper

Brainwashed
not only did Nelly talk about selling drugs, smoking weed and bustin gats, but he was always heavily criticized in the hip hop community for his music...not to mention, his window only lasted about 5 years and faded

Ye never talked about any of that stuff, is an critically acclaimed artist and is still the most talked about person in the industry (as seen in this 42 page thread)...

nice try tho
One neck two chains, one waist two gats...
 
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