09 Real Deal College Football Discussion/No Homers - Lets geh geh GET IT!

[eneyekayee]

This I can vouch. I've heard this numerous places. I believe Pierre Woods committed to Michigan right before Tressel was hired. It would be a major coup for Michigan to get a Glenville player...you wanna see Ohio State's message boards go in meltdown mode?...if/when a Glenville player commits to Michigan...grab the popcorn.
Thank you for being honest.

If he lost a major Glenville player to Michigan...the torches and pitchforks would be out.

...

Glenville is basically tOSU's developmental school right now and it has been for years. It's just an All Starteam consisted of Cleveland's best African American players poached from almost every city school in the area.

 

[champcruthik]

Tech's President is an Alabama alum, and feels like Kirby Smart is the guy for the job...I don't see Kirby Smart having much interest in the Tech job at all, but whatever.

The guy behind McNeill supposedly doesn't have enough political pull with the other boosters to make McNeill the top candidate.

It's just a big circus up there right now...no telling what's gonna end up happening. (And Tech isn't my team, by the way.)
I don't know if Smart is HC material, definitely not over the likes of Charlie Strong or Will Muschamp IMO.

And don't you have to consider - if Tech goes with a coach that's defensive minded like a Tuberville or Smart, isn't that a direct slap in the faceto Ruffin McNeill? I'm not sure if he would wanna come back as DC even if the players/new coach wanted him to.

My fault, A&M right?? If so you're probably very fond of Tommy Tuberville's year of work as DC at A&M circa '94.

 

[tmay407]

Originally Posted by ChampCruThik

And don't you have to consider - if Tech goes with a coach that's defensive minded like a Tuberville or Smart, isn't that a direct slap in the face to Ruffin McNeill? I'm not sure if he would wanna come back as DC even if the players/new coach wanted him to.

My fault, A&M right?? If so you're probably very fond of Tommy Tuberville's year of work as DC at A&M circa '94.

Tuberville was on Randy Galloway's radio show today, and he seems to feel pretty good about getting the job. He said someone should be hiredaround this time tomorrow. He claimed that he would try to keep the staff together if possible, but that's probably just coachspeak. He also said that hewould try to keep the same style of offense, just with more of a rushing attack added.

He had a 7 hour interview with the Tech folks, so that's probably a good thing in his favor. I was kinda wanting Tuberville when we hired Sherman. Itcertainly will be interesting to see how Tuberville's coaching works in the Big 12 if he's hired.

 

[iye2]

Glenville is basically tOSU's developmental school right now and it has been for years. It's just an All Star team consisted of Cleveland's best African American players poached from almost every city school in the area.

That goes on the players and the player's parents more so than Glenville/Coach Ginn. They see an opportunity for their children to have more exposure and abetter opportunity and jump at the thought. You cant fault them for that, especially if they have their kids best interest in mind. The rules are broken thenno doubt, like you were saying - its not clean. But in reality you can say the same thing about St Iggy's, Massillon, St E's.

Its certainly a pipeline, but I think thats because Ohio State is the local school that these kids grow up on. You combine that with the fact they have someonewho has the ability to put players into that program, of course the perception will be he pushes his players there. He doesnt do this, trust me. He'sbetter suited personally to have as many kids go elsewhere as possible.

Im from Ohio bro I know all about his recognition there, I meant more of a nat'l scale.

 

[gunna get it]

Tubby is giving the impression there will be a coaching decision at tex tech by tomorrow afternoon.

better hope they dont lose Kadron Boone in the turnover

 

[tmay407]

There are rumors that Tim DeRuyter (DC from Air Force) was in College Station today.

That's the man I hope we get right there...

Also, it's very possible that if we end up with a guy like DeRuyter as the DC, Phil Bennett (DC from Pitt) could join the staff as a position coach. Hisfamily still lives in College Station, and supposedly he's coming back with or without a job. There are rumors that he wouldn't mind taking a positioncoach job at A&M...

 

[fear the ibis]

Randy Shannon is not a good recruiter. I'm about to watch the game so i'm not even going to get into it. But people need to stop perpetuating thatmyth.


Only people I know who still believe he is are looking at things through orange and green glasses. Take a step back and look at things from an objectivestandpoint.


Yeah I'd like to believe he is and he's going to bring us back. But the reality is to be an elite team you need to sign elite players. When you'reletting elite players in your own backyard go to other schools you're not going anywhere.

Miami fans can come up with all the excuses they want about the players we're signing and why we're not getting such and such etc.


Go read some of Manny Navaro's (UM beat writer) thoughts on our recruiting. Our read what Mike Bakas has to say. These are people who are close to theprogram and actually speak to the coaches and players we recruit on a regular basis. People who actually have a clue and have been following this program foryears.

Q: With J12 having a rough stretch, hampered by injury no less and only 2 years left, why arent't we pursuing any top tier QBs? I don't see a shot at the NC next year, do you think we have what it takes for an ACC title?
ANSWERED 01/05/10 15:21:11 BY MANNY NAVARRO
A: I'll start with your last question. The ACC has and always be a conference for the taking. There are no powers in this conference. Georgia Tech should be the favorite next year -- especially if Jonathan Dwyer returns. North Carolina and Virginia Tech will once again be formidable and I expect Florida State to return to form. Does Miami have enough in the tank to beat all four and win the conference? I don't know. I also feel the same way about a national title. We have to see mega improvement from UM if 2010 is going to be their year. As for the QB situation, Miami tried to get some quarterbacks. They simply failed to get them. The U isn't what used to be. And sooner or later I hope UM coaches realize they have to work just as hard as coaches from other schools to nab recruits. You can't just have the attitude if you don't want to come to The U we don't want you. Only teams that win conference titles and national championships can have that attitude. But even still, ask Urban Meyer at Florida or Jim Tressell at Ohio State if they have that attitude. They don't. That's why they are still relevant in the college football landscape.

Q: Manny, Any advice for The U to get more top talented football players from Tampa Bay area high schools? Armwood, Plant High, etc...
Answered 01/05/10 14:26:37 by Manny Navarro
A: Go there and recruit their butts off. One thing I've heard constantly from recruits is that UM makes less contact with them than any other school. I think its time for the Canes to enter the 21st century when it comes to recruiting and work just as hard on kids as Tennessee, Ohio State and Florida do.

 

[eneyekayee]

That goes on the players and the player's parents more so than Glenville/Coach Ginn. They see an opportunity for their children to have more exposure and a better opportunity and jump at the thought. You cant fault them for that, especially if they have their kids best interest in mind. The rules are broken then no doubt, like you were saying - its not clean.
Yeah, I can definitely see your point and I'll agree with you. But I've heard from multiple different sources who have told me what heactually says to these players to get them (assistant coaches, teachers, and players from schools that got burned that didn't leave). I don't know ifit's true or not. And I'm not going to post it on here because it's not factual as far as I'm concerned. Also, Coach Chuck Kyle has a lot ofrespect for him and they are good friends. So I don't know how true his actual approach is. Coach Chuck Kyle is as respected/honorable as a high schoolfootball coach can be, not only in OH, but in the nation. So I'll have to take his word/side.

But in reality you can say the same thing about St Iggy's, Massillon, St E's.
See, I disagree with this statement right here. At least on St. Ignatius' part (I'm only going to speak on what I know as FACT). 95% of St. Ignatius' players are Catholic and from CYO football programs (Catholic grade schools). Ignatius as aschool also doesn't allow ANY student to transfer INTO the school after their sophomore year no matter what (because of the sophomore serviceprogram/requirement). I'm not going to sit here and act like we don't have a major advantage as far as recruiting goes (just like every otherparochial school) because I have witnessed it first hand with my brother and myself. But, Coach Kyle doesn't recruit a kid/call their home unless the kidshows interest in the school FIRST (for example applying to the school by taking the entrance exam or attending thesummer sports camps). I know this for a fact. This is where it's very different regarding the advantage of St. Ignatius and Glenville. In fact, the ONLYtransfer into St. Ignatius that made an impact for Coach Kyle was John Kerr who started on varsity as a sophomore (you obviously know of him).

Its certainly a pipeline, but I think thats because Ohio State is the local school that these kids grow up on. You combine that with the fact they have someone who has the ability to put players into that program, of course the perception will be he pushes his players there. He doesnt do this, trust me. He's better suited personally to have as many kids go elsewhere as possible.
I believe you, but there's no denying that he tries to keep his players away from Michigan at all costs.

Im from Ohio bro I know all about his recognition there, I meant more of a nat'l scale.
I completely agree. But I think that will unfortunately come with eventually winning a State Title(s). And it's a damn shame too, becausethey could easily have 3-4 titles by now with the talent they have had.

 

[gunna get it]

Originally Posted by Fear The Ibis

Randy Shannon is not a good recruiter. I'm about to watch the game so i'm not even going to get into it. But people need to stop perpetuating that myth.


Only people I know who still believe he is are looking at things through orange and green glasses. Take a step back and look at things from an objective standpoint.


Yeah I'd like to believe he is and he's going to bring us back. But the reality is to be an elite team you need to sign elite players. When you're letting elite players in your own backyard go to other schools you're not going anywhere.

Miami fans can come up with all the excuses they want about the players we're signing and why we're not getting such and such etc.


Go read some of Manny Navaro's (UM beat writer) thoughts on our recruiting. Our read what Mike Bakas has to say. These are people who are close to the program and actually speak to the coaches and players we recruit on a regular basis. People who actually have a clue and have been following this program for years.

Q: With J12 having a rough stretch, hampered by injury no less and only 2 years left, why arent't we pursuing any top tier QBs? I don't see a shot at the NC next year, do you think we have what it takes for an ACC title?
ANSWERED 01/05/10 15:21:11 BY MANNY NAVARRO
A: I'll start with your last question. The ACC has and always be a conference for the taking. There are no powers in this conference. Georgia Tech should be the favorite next year -- especially if Jonathan Dwyer returns. North Carolina and Virginia Tech will once again be formidable and I expect Florida State to return to form. Does Miami have enough in the tank to beat all four and win the conference? I don't know. I also feel the same way about a national title. We have to see mega improvement from UM if 2010 is going to be their year. As for the QB situation, Miami tried to get some quarterbacks. They simply failed to get them. The U isn't what used to be. And sooner or later I hope UM coaches realize they have to work just as hard as coaches from other schools to nab recruits. You can't just have the attitude if you don't want to come to The U we don't want you. Only teams that win conference titles and national championships can have that attitude. But even still, ask Urban Meyer at Florida or Jim Tressell at Ohio State if they have that attitude. They don't. That's why they are still relevant in the college football landscape.

Q: Manny, Any advice for The U to get more top talented football players from Tampa Bay area high schools? Armwood, Plant High, etc...
Answered 01/05/10 14:26:37 by Manny Navarro
A: Go there and recruit their butts off. One thing I've heard constantly from recruits is that UM makes less contact with them than any other school. I think its time for the Canes to enter the 21st century when it comes to recruiting and work just as hard on kids as Tennessee, Ohio State and Florida do.



*shrugs* thats how I see it.

 

[bigmike23]

gunna


Brandon Willis still UNC or vols?


someone said today UCLA got a chance at him

 

[gunna get it]

they sayin he goin back to Tennessee.

UCLA is out of it. no chance.

supposedly the youngins are clownin on him big time for likin UNC. he has a meeting wit Coach O and CLK. and his pops called coach.

the real reason he stopped likin UT came out. cus he fell in love with Lacey. and they were goin together. and she started seein someone else. and he caughtfeelings...

Sucker

 

[iye2]

Originally Posted by EnEyeKayEe

At least on St. Ignatius' part (I'm only going to speak on what I know as FACT). 95% of St. Ignatius' players are Catholic and from CYO football programs. Ignatius as a school also doesn't allow ANY student to transfer INTO the school after their sophomore year no matter what

Well see I was referring to guys that come from counties all over the place, which is why glenville/the ginn academy gets some bad press. Iggy has hadtheir share as well but yall are a private school. Ignatius, Glenville, St E's, are playing with different rules..they just do a good job of takingadvantage of their rules. Ginn has just found away around the administrative BS and teachers union to help the disadvantaged.

Originally Posted by EnEyeKayEe

I believe you, but there's no denying that he tries to keep his players away from Michigan at all costs.

Oh absolutely. I agree, and I cant blame him..

 

[gatorb807]

George Edwards has been hired as DC at Florida. He was the Dolphins LBer coach last 5 years.

 

[dacomeup]

Allen, Brian Kelly brought Bob Diaco with him to ND and was named DC today.

ND fans are going to absolutely hate this dude. I wonder if he's going totry the 3-4 there like he did at UC? Maybe it will be more successful at ND, but Diaco's bend but don't break defense at UC was abysmal. He wasdefinitely the worse hire that Kelly made while he was at UC. It was worse because Kelly fired Joe Tresey to bring Diaco on at UC. Soft zone D, which wasabsolutely exposed numerous times this year.

 

[tmay407]

Texas A&M may be interviewing Steve Kragthorpe for the OC position if Nolan Cromwell heads back to the NFL.

 

[eneyekayee]

Originally Posted by DaComeUP

Allen, Brian Kelly brought Bob Diaco with him to ND and was named DC today.

ND fans are going to absolutely hate this dude. I wonder if he's going to try the 3-4 there like he did at UC? Maybe it will be more successful at ND, but Diaco's bend but don't break defense at UC was abysmal. He was definitely the worse hire that Kelly made while he was at UC. It was worse because Kelly fired Joe Tresey to bring Diaco on at UC. Soft zone D, which was absolutely exposed numerous times this year.

Kelly is trying to absolutely ruin any chance he had before he even starts.

 

[MVP]

No more college football til Sept. (except for the All-Star games)

Who's your top 5 going into next year?

1. Bama
2. Oregon
3. Ohio St.
4. UF
5. Boise (you know they gonna put their #!% up there to start the year)

 

[eneyekayee]

Originally Posted by Mamba MVP

No more college football til Sept. (except for the All-Star games)

Who's your top 5 going into next year?

1. Bama
2. Oregon
3. Ohio St.
4. UF
5. Boise (you know they gonna put their #!% up there to start the year)

Boise returns like 18 starters. They might even be higher...How do you figure Oregon will be ahead of tOSU? Buckeyes aren't really losing toomuch. I can almost guarantee UF won't be in the top 5 preseason poll. WAY too many veteran losses (I don't care how much depth/young studs they goton the bench/coming in). Not to mention Urban's status...

Dion Lewis up at Pitt
Boy is a PROBLEM!

 

[jville819]

my biggest gripe of this season has been the lack of Pub given to Ryan Williams

Dude had to have the quietest +1600 yard 20td season ever. And he plays on one of the best teams in a BCS conference even though it is the ACC. but still howwas he never given recognition

and as true freshman. same goes for Dion Lewis up at Pitt.

just had to get that out

 

[gatorb807]

Top 5 for next year

Bama
O$U
Boise St
V. Tech
UF *If Urban is coaching

Heisman Candidates
Ingram
Kellen Moore
Ryan Williams
Dion Lewis
Landry Jones
LaMichael James

 

[bigmike23]

kelly been bringing in D2 coachs to fill his staff also right?

 

[39478]

Originally Posted by gatorb807

Top 5 for next year

Bama
O$U
Boise St
V. Tech Oregon
UF *If Urban is coaching

Heisman Candidates
Ingram
Kellen Moore
Ryan Williams
Dion Lewis
Landry Jones
LaMichael James

 

[bigmike23]

oregon top 5


BLHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAHA

 

[chester the cheetah]

No Miami in the top 5?

 

[eneyekayee]

Originally Posted by Chester the Cheetah

No Miami in the top 5?

...next year honestly looks WIDE OPEN.

Alabama's ground game is going to be unfair though.

(how manylineman do they got returning?)

And can someone PLEASE answer this question:

Supposedly McElroy hasn't lost a football game since 8th grade.

Who the hell did he have playing around him in HS?!/or was he really playing THAT bad ofcompetition in Texas?!

Dirk? tmay?