[::2009 Champion LAKERS OFF-SEASON THREAD Vol. Boring Non-News Days Causing In-Thread Tension::]

^ Ska, that 14 without him thing is a horrible argument/point. Those were COMPLETELY different cores, rosters, eras, etc. I am VERY confident that if LO walks,this Lakers core won't win another one w/o him (unless Mitch pulls another Pau deal out of his @ss).

You are either in denial or are COMPLETELY underrating LO's importance to your franchise IMO. *shrugs*
 
Irrelevant the other 14.

How do you feel watching Josh Powell in the starting lineup?

In 3 maaaaaaybe we can squeeze 4 years, we have plenty of time to suck/rebuild. We have to protect this core, this group for the next 3/4 years.

Letting Odom go for nothing is not the way to protect those years. No he's not worth it on his own. No, he's not going to make the Heat Contenders. No he doesn't make most teams contenders. But he makes this team a LOCK for conference finals, and then we just have to hope all is healthy and we candispatch the Spurs no problem and roll the dice in the finals against a STACKED Celtics team, or a STACKED Magic team.

We don't beat those teams with just Kobe/Gasol/Artest, and maybe Bynum. It don't work that way.

And if he isn't that important, why is every western GM wanting him to go to the Heat? They rooting for Riley to be good again or something?
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Originally Posted by 23ska909red02

Jay Kornegay, executive director of the Las Vegas Hilton's Race and Sports book: "Odom's a component, but he's not a star. As that team has already shown, if they lose someone, they'll find someone else."

Exactly.

Like anyone knew before the season 2 years ago that we would pick up Pau Gasol. I'm not saying we will pick someone else up if Lamar leaves, like it's a guarantee. But I am saying... we'll pick someone else up.

We'll be fine. Even if losing him prevents us from being the odds on favorite to win the championship, that doesn't matter. You don't win championships because you were the favorites to win the championship.


Ska, we were UNDER THE CAP when we got Pau. We can't just make a Pau deal anymore, we are now OVER the cap. We can only sign budget geeks, and there isa reason that they are on the scrap heap for a reason.

A deal we make would have to include taking guys off this current roster, who is that that we can trade of value? Kobe? Pau? Bynum? Artest.
Can we make a Shannon Brown type deal? Sure, nice little player to have. Does Shannon Brown type player going to push us over the Celtics team? The Magic? The Spurs? HELL NO.

But we have a guy that can do that right in our backyard, but we want to let him go for a million bucks? (a year, better clarify before I get smoked lol)
 
I dont know how ska gets so much love on here, his opinions are invalid and 100% ******ed.

Im with CP, if we lose Odom, good bye back to back championships.
 
If they took money off the table he's as good as gone. Time to move on guys and support your team..
 
Anybody blaming Buss or Mitch are idiots. They offered Odom 2 good deals and tried to bring him back. This is ALL on Lamar he's a flat out liar. I willmiss him but I don't think our championship chances are out the window either. Let's all calm down and reset the Lakers will be fine. We WILL win theWest. Bynum and Gasol WILL have injury free year. Powell WILL end up being our best bench player and Artest WILL win defensive player of the year. Scratch allthat I hope...
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Mitch better have something up his sleeve...
 
Realistically, we let Odom go, where do you guys slot us?

Orlando
Boston
San Antonio
Cleveland
LA

Is how I would have it stacked. 55 wins tops, out in the 3rd round, maybe even second depending on matchups, health, homecourt, etc etc


Whereas, if we keep Odom, then we jump ahead of all of those teams, #1, possibly #2, but still, clear cut favs in the West, with 60-62 wins in sight, and atrip to the finals where we can at least flip a coin vs whoever we face.
 
Originally Posted by Ben Roethlisberger

I dont know how ska gets so much love on here, his opinions are invalid and 100% ******ed.

Im with CP, if we lose Odom, good bye back to back championships.

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I wouldn't say that every point he makes, but most of the timeI'm just like
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Originally Posted by CP1708

Realistically, we let Odom go, where do you guys slot us?

Orlando
Boston
San Antonio
Cleveland
LA

Is how I would have it stacked. 55 wins tops, out in the 3rd round, maybe even second depending on matchups, health, homecourt, etc etc


Whereas, if we keep Odom, then we jump ahead of all of those teams, #1, possibly #2, but still, clear cut favs in the West, with 60-62 wins in sight, and a trip to the finals where we can at least flip a coin vs whoever we face.
This.

Looking at these rosters, we keep him and we stay at the #1 spot, considering no games have been played, there's no reason to rank any other team ahead ofus. He leaves, and, in my opinion, a legit argument can be made for at least two, probably three teams to be ahead of us.
 
Originally Posted by CP1708

Do you guys believe in insurance?

Because somebody PLEASE tell me how ya'll goin to feel when Bynum or Gasol gets hurt, and Josh Powell is inserted into our starting lineup to guard Duncan, Sheed, (or KG), Rashard Lewis, Lamarcus Aldrige, or K-Mart for any period of time.

Lamar protects this ENTIRE franchise from that travesty happening.

WE CAN NOT GO OUT AND GET ANYBODY ELSE OF EQUAL VALUE, THERE IS NO OTHER SOLUTION.

If we let Lamar walk over a damn million dollars extra a year, or two million, or a million and a half just over some BS belief that no player off the bench is worth 9 or 10 mil a year when chances are pretty good that that player will actually start for half a season, or in the postseason, or whenever, and will keep us protected, and among the elite for the next 2-3 years to compete for chamipionships, then I don't know what to tell you. We are no longer fighting for the second round. I do not give a @#$% about making the playoffs. If we trade Lamar for some other pieces, that's one thing. If we package him, it's one thing, if we LET HIM WALK OVER WOUNDED PRIDE IN THE NAME OF 2 MILLION DOLLARS, WE ARE STUPID!!!!!!!!

How people can sit here and say let him go, let him go, rather save a million bucks is BEYOND ME. The minute, and I MEAN MINUTE that Pau or Bynum gets hurt, what the hell are you all going to say then? "boy, wish we had that extra 2 million for Lamar"

HE HAS TO STAY. Yes, he is inconsistent. No, he probably isn't WORTH 10 million on his own, but THIS FRANCHISE, AND OUR CHAMPIONSHIP WINDOW IS WORTH 10 MILLION FIFTY TIMES OVER.

For that, give the guy his 2 million a year, or whatever. We're already over the cap, we can't simply go get another guy who is worth 8-9 million, that's not how the cap works. We can only get OUR OWN players for 8-9 million, so if it comes down to a few extra bucks, YOU SIGN THAT PLAYER AND PROTECT THE INVESTMENTS YOU HAVE ALREADY MADE.

It's that simple.

ummmm thsi team is gonna win because ourthreee star players.... and coach.... if a player goes down, oh well... thats life. just ask the celtics last year...
 
Originally Posted by CP1708



And if he isn't that important, why is every western GM wanting him to go to the Heat? They rooting for Riley to be good again or something?
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u got every top contending fans blowing up teh heat message board saying "i hope yall get odom"..especially magic fans...they thinkwithout odom, they can beat us...which is why i think odom is important
 
Originally Posted by NobleKane

Originally Posted by CP1708

Do you guys believe in insurance?

Because somebody PLEASE tell me how ya'll goin to feel when Bynum or Gasol gets hurt, and Josh Powell is inserted into our starting lineup to guard Duncan, Sheed, (or KG), Rashard Lewis, Lamarcus Aldrige, or K-Mart for any period of time.

Lamar protects this ENTIRE franchise from that travesty happening.

WE CAN NOT GO OUT AND GET ANYBODY ELSE OF EQUAL VALUE, THERE IS NO OTHER SOLUTION.

If we let Lamar walk over a damn million dollars extra a year, or two million, or a million and a half just over some BS belief that no player off the bench is worth 9 or 10 mil a year when chances are pretty good that that player will actually start for half a season, or in the postseason, or whenever, and will keep us protected, and among the elite for the next 2-3 years to compete for chamipionships, then I don't know what to tell you. We are no longer fighting for the second round. I do not give a @#$% about making the playoffs. If we trade Lamar for some other pieces, that's one thing. If we package him, it's one thing, if we LET HIM WALK OVER WOUNDED PRIDE IN THE NAME OF 2 MILLION DOLLARS, WE ARE STUPID!!!!!!!!

How people can sit here and say let him go, let him go, rather save a million bucks is BEYOND ME. The minute, and I MEAN MINUTE that Pau or Bynum gets hurt, what the hell are you all going to say then? "boy, wish we had that extra 2 million for Lamar"

HE HAS TO STAY. Yes, he is inconsistent. No, he probably isn't WORTH 10 million on his own, but THIS FRANCHISE, AND OUR CHAMPIONSHIP WINDOW IS WORTH 10 MILLION FIFTY TIMES OVER.

For that, give the guy his 2 million a year, or whatever. We're already over the cap, we can't simply go get another guy who is worth 8-9 million, that's not how the cap works. We can only get OUR OWN players for 8-9 million, so if it comes down to a few extra bucks, YOU SIGN THAT PLAYER AND PROTECT THE INVESTMENTS YOU HAVE ALREADY MADE.

It's that simple.

ummmm thsi team is gonna win because ourthreee star players.... and coach.... if a player goes down, oh well... thats life. just ask the celtics last year...
and what happend to the celtics last year?? no chip
 
Ben Roethlisberger:
I dont know how ska gets so much love on here, his opinions are invalid and 100% ******ed.
lol @ my opinion being inaccurate while yours is correct, when both of our opinions are about the UNKNOWN future
Ben Roethlisberger:
Im with CP, if we lose Odom, good bye back to back championships.
That's your opinion. My opinion is that if we lose Odom, we still have a chance. A lesser chance, but still a chance.

Guess whose opinion is the correct one?

Neither.
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Because this isn't a matter of something provable.
 
I am honestly baffled at people being ok with letting LO walk.

No joke, no lies, I am stunned.

I.......
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unreal.

All over a million to two million dollars, we have people willing to just sit back and say oh well, least we tried.

We're going to take a huge step back if this happens. Hell, forget about injuries, just foul trouble is going to stifle us. Remember how much we wore Paudown, and how many minutes he was having to carry on his shoulders, this would only INCREASE those minutes.

And yet, everyone seems good with that.

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You guys are the most pessimistic %%+!%*$@%*!%+ in the e-world
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gat damn


With or without Lamar, we are STILL the team to beat, you glum "the sky is falling" bastards
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-without him our road to winning it all is tougher, but not unattainable
-WITH him though, it almost isn't fair for the rest of the league

for the record I do want him back, but at a legitimate price


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CP1708 is absolutely right.

As someone that does not like the Lakers, I really hope Odom leaves. If odom leaves, the chances of LA repeating are slim. If the spurs are healthy, i dont seethe lakers getting past them. Theres no way they would beat a healthy Celtics team without Odom. If Odom returns, the only team that could beat the Lakers in a7 game series is a healthy Boston.

Odom takes the lakers from a very good team to a great team.
 
TH0MAS CR0WN:
With or without Lamar, we are STILL the team to beat, you glum "the sky is falling" bastards
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-without him our road to winning it all is tougher, but not unattainable
-WITH him though, it almost isn't fair for the rest of the league

for the record I do want him back, but at a legitimate price

kthxbye
All of this.
 
23ska909red02 wrote:
TH0MAS CR0WN:
With or without Lamar, we are STILL the team to beat, you glum "the sky is falling" bastards
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-without him our road to winning it all is tougher, but not unattainable
-WITH him though, it almost isn't fair for the rest of the league

for the record I do want him back, but at a legitimate price

kthxbye
All of this.

Legitimate is 9 million, but not 10?

Legitimate is 8 million, but not 9?

This is what we are arguing about. If LO asked for 2 years 153 million, I'd be right in line with you guys. He's not.

He's asking that instead of going from 14 million to 8 million, to go from 14 million to 9 mil. Or 10 mil.

Or instead of taking the less money for 3 years, to take it for 4 years.

And he went to the bench in his contract year, and did it well enough to help us win a title. And now we're asking him to take a pay cut for his efforts. Based on bench production, rather then the numbers he coulda put up as a starter instead.

But that 1-2 million dollars means more to us, then an easier path to the championship? Ok.
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CP1708:
23ska909red02:
TH0MAS CR0WN:
With or without Lamar, we are STILL the team to beat, you glum "the sky is falling" bastards
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-without him our road to winning it all is tougher, but not unattainable
-WITH him though, it almost isn't fair for the rest of the league

for the record I do want him back, but at a legitimate price

kthxbye
All of this.

Legitimate is 9 million, but not 10?

Legitimate is 8 million, but not 9?

This is what we are arguing about. If LO asked for 2 years 153 million, I'd be right in line with you guys. He's not.

He's asking that instead of going from 14 million to 8 million, to go from 14 million to 9 mil. Or 10 mil.

Or instead of taking the less money for 3 years, to take it for 4 years.

And he went to the bench in his contract year, and did it well enough to help us win a title. And now we're asking him to take a pay cut for his efforts. Based on bench production, rather then the numbers he coulda put up as a starter instead.

But that 1-2 million dollars means more to us, then an easier path to the championship? Ok.
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I can only speak for myself, but you have to understand where I'm coming from. I work in a military camp style of environment, and when myteammate and I tell the kids that the kitchen needs to be spotless by 11:30am or we're canceling the outing we had planned, and we walk in at 11:31 and acouple kids are putting the microwave back where it goes and putting the last loaves of bread in the cupboard, we're canceling the outing. We said 11:30,not 11:31.

I know not everything is black and white, but when you set a parameter that people know you don't really mean, once they know that the actual enforcementof your parameter will be 'parameter + 1 minute or dollar or whatever', you open yourself up to be taken advantage of (word to Bynum and Walton andSasha).
 
Originally Posted by CP1708

I am honestly baffled at people being ok with letting LO walk.

No joke, no lies, I am stunned.

I.......
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unreal.

All over a million to two million dollars, we have people willing to just sit back and say oh well, least we tried.

We're going to take a huge step back if this happens. Hell, forget about injuries, just foul trouble is going to stifle us. Remember how much we wore Pau down, and how many minutes he was having to carry on his shoulders, this would only INCREASE those minutes.

And yet, everyone seems good with that.

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CP, I'm with you.
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If I was a Lakers fan, I'd be just as furious. It seems that a lot of the Laker fans are showing their true colors by not really knowing much about theleague/how things work (not taking shots @ any individual)...

You guys have been so spoiled in the past, you think it's no biggie if your 3rd most valuable player IMO on a CHAMPIONSHIP team leaves town...

There is a GIANT reason the ENTIRE league & EVERY fan base wants LO to leave (& a lot of you aren't seeing it and/or don't know any better).
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I get that, I truly truly do.

But try to look at this in THIS instance.

We don't have to worry about further issues. We have everyone locked up for the next 2 years. We need to re-do Kobe and Pau when that time comes, but wehave at minimum, 2 years to work with. In that time, Fisher will drop down. Sasha's deal will drop down, Farmar, etc etc etc.

So we have the chance to LOCK up this team, title front runner and the only issue messing with it is a couple mill. (or 1 extra year, whatever is goin onthere)

Once all of this is over, Kobe is old, Pau is old, Odom is old, Fish is long gone, and so on, we start anew. We don't have to worry about players battlingus over 1 or 2 mill, we start from scratch, we re-build the team with young guys, get a free agent, and then we get back to work. Nobody will remember 5 yearsfrom now that extra mill we gave Lamar.

So yes, with kids, in the kitchen you have to be firm and show them that you mean it, but when you have a global company, worth billions of dollars, and thechance to make 50 mill per extra playoff game played, then I think it's worth paying the extra mill or two to get it done. I'm positive that it'sworth it.
 
eh hopefully it gets resolved.


championship teams retool and sometimes add new players but you don't want to tweak too much of your roster because of the chemistry the guys have.

losing odom hurts the lakers more then it would help the heat.
 
Originally Posted by TH0MAS CR0WN




You guys are the most pessimistic %%+!%*$@%*!%+ in the e-world
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gat damn


With or without Lamar, we are STILL the team to beat, you glum "the sky is falling" bastards
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-without him our road to winning it all is tougher, but not unattainable
-WITH him though, it almost isn't fair for the rest of the league

for the record I do want him back, but at a legitimate price


kthxbye

thank you. 55 wins tops w/o odom?
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I really do believe that we would have a good chance of winning the chip without him
 
Buss is getting old, what the hell is he gonna do with all that money? Luxury tax, so what, you are rich.
Pay Lamar, get a couple more rings before you die sir.

That is all, I'm out.

*Goes back to baseball mode*

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