2011 NBA MVP Thread

[goldenarmz97]

 

[goldenarmz97]

 

[yoppa guevara]

Originally Posted by goldenarmz97

THIS... sneaking up there he is
  

 

[yoppa guevara]

Originally Posted by goldenarmz97

THIS... sneaking up there he is
  

 

[bhzmafia14]

Well, I've basically stayed out of this thread til' the talks got really good.

At this point....

1 ) Rose
2 ) Dwight
2b ) Lebron

No one else matters at this point.

If you were to tell me that the Bulls would have their current record with Boozer and Noah missing a big number of games, I would laugh. Its amazing what this guy is doing. Not to mention that his team is basically owning the other two top candidates teams during the season.

Around Christmas, I had Lebron as the clear cut winner. So, I decided to wait til' around March to see how things played out. Lebron is basically giving you what he's been doing for his entire career. That's not a bad thing, but his team also is struggling. He's missing big shot after big shot and he's not winning close games for his team. Rose is putting up career numbers in every major statistical category.

I didn't really mention Dwight that much, I'm tired of typing. I'm sure ya'll get the point though. No disrespect to any of the other players in the running for MVP, but you got to give it to Rose. You can throw out his FG% and he doesn't go to the FT line enough mess. The guy is flat out playing great basketball.

 

[bhzmafia14]

Well, I've basically stayed out of this thread til' the talks got really good.

At this point....

1 ) Rose
2 ) Dwight
2b ) Lebron

No one else matters at this point.

If you were to tell me that the Bulls would have their current record with Boozer and Noah missing a big number of games, I would laugh. Its amazing what this guy is doing. Not to mention that his team is basically owning the other two top candidates teams during the season.

Around Christmas, I had Lebron as the clear cut winner. So, I decided to wait til' around March to see how things played out. Lebron is basically giving you what he's been doing for his entire career. That's not a bad thing, but his team also is struggling. He's missing big shot after big shot and he's not winning close games for his team. Rose is putting up career numbers in every major statistical category.

I didn't really mention Dwight that much, I'm tired of typing. I'm sure ya'll get the point though. No disrespect to any of the other players in the running for MVP, but you got to give it to Rose. You can throw out his FG% and he doesn't go to the FT line enough mess. The guy is flat out playing great basketball.

 

[CP1708]

Stat fans are absolutely gripping right now with Rose gaining all this momentum to the award. 

The bottom line is that your calculators and computers can't tell you a damn thing about leadership, toughness, plays made in big moments, none of it. 

There were a lot of people starting the talk back in December that he had "the look", the eyeball test of an MVP.  The Hollinger club couldn't figure it out on their monitors.  And now here we are, in March, and the sounds are getting louder and louder about Rose being the MVP. 

Stats don't give you the whole picture gentlemen.  Come up with all the formulas and computations you want, D-Rose has been the most valuable player in the NBA this year.  Barring a momumental collapse from him in the next 5 weeks, it's his award.  Dwight second, Bron third. 

 

[CP1708]

Stat fans are absolutely gripping right now with Rose gaining all this momentum to the award. 

The bottom line is that your calculators and computers can't tell you a damn thing about leadership, toughness, plays made in big moments, none of it. 

There were a lot of people starting the talk back in December that he had "the look", the eyeball test of an MVP.  The Hollinger club couldn't figure it out on their monitors.  And now here we are, in March, and the sounds are getting louder and louder about Rose being the MVP. 

Stats don't give you the whole picture gentlemen.  Come up with all the formulas and computations you want, D-Rose has been the most valuable player in the NBA this year.  Barring a momumental collapse from him in the next 5 weeks, it's his award.  Dwight second, Bron third. 

 

[arstyle27]

Originally Posted by CP1708

Stat fans are absolutely gripping right now with Rose gaining all this momentum to the award. 

The bottom line is that your calculators and computers can't tell you a damn thing about leadership, toughness, plays made in big moments, none of it. 

There were a lot of people starting the talk back in December that he had "the look", the eyeball test of an MVP.  The Hollinger club couldn't figure it out on their monitors.  And now here we are, in March, and the sounds are getting louder and louder about Rose being the MVP. 

Stats don't give you the whole picture gentlemen.  Come up with all the formulas and computations you want, D-Rose has been the most valuable player in the NBA this year.  Barring a momumental collapse from him in the next 5 weeks, it's his award.  Dwight second, Bron third. 

My man CP making an excellent basketball observation

 

[arstyle27]

Originally Posted by CP1708

Stat fans are absolutely gripping right now with Rose gaining all this momentum to the award. 

The bottom line is that your calculators and computers can't tell you a damn thing about leadership, toughness, plays made in big moments, none of it. 

There were a lot of people starting the talk back in December that he had "the look", the eyeball test of an MVP.  The Hollinger club couldn't figure it out on their monitors.  And now here we are, in March, and the sounds are getting louder and louder about Rose being the MVP. 

Stats don't give you the whole picture gentlemen.  Come up with all the formulas and computations you want, D-Rose has been the most valuable player in the NBA this year.  Barring a momumental collapse from him in the next 5 weeks, it's his award.  Dwight second, Bron third. 

My man CP making an excellent basketball observation

 

[abovelegit1]

Originally Posted by CP1708

Stat fans are absolutely gripping right now with Rose gaining all this momentum to the award. 

The bottom line is that your calculators and computers can't tell you a damn thing about leadership, toughness, plays made in big moments, none of it. 

There were a lot of people starting the talk back in December that he had "the look", the eyeball test of an MVP.  The Hollinger club couldn't figure it out on their monitors.  And now here we are, in March, and the sounds are getting louder and louder about Rose being the MVP. 

Stats don't give you the whole picture gentlemen.  Come up with all the formulas and computations you want, D-Rose has been the most valuable player in the NBA this year.  Barring a momumental collapse from him in the next 5 weeks, it's his award.  Dwight second, Bron third. 

Not only are you ill-informed, but you're condescending to boot. What is a "stat fan," exactly? Someone who uses all available information/evidence to make an informed decision?

What do you know about Rose's leadership? You in the locker room with the rest of the team? How do you know he's tough? Has he played through an injury I'm not aware of? Couldn't you say the same thing for Dwight or a bunch of other star players? Plays made in big-moments? Here you go: http://www.82games.com/1011/CSORT11.HTM

When the score differential is not more than 5, and there is less than 5 minutes to go, Derrick Rose has shot 37% from the field, and 25% from three. Per 48 minute of crunch time he records 9.7 assists to go along with 5.8 turnovers.

And I couldn't care less about what the masses and media think about who should win the award. This MVP race reminds me of the NL MVP race in 2006 when Ryan Howard took home the award over Albert Pujols, who was clearly the superior player to anyone with cognitive function. Fortunately, progress has been made, and the MLB writers are starting to make better decisions, what with Felix and Lincecum recently winning the Cy. Sooner or later, the NBA media will get a clue as well. I'm sure you're someone who's still stuck on wins and RBI, though.

And I actually like Derrick Rose. Humble and soft spoken kid playing great basketball for the hometown team, and representing Chi well. MVP, though? No. Deserves mentioning? Sure.

 

[abovelegit1]

Originally Posted by CP1708

Stat fans are absolutely gripping right now with Rose gaining all this momentum to the award. 

The bottom line is that your calculators and computers can't tell you a damn thing about leadership, toughness, plays made in big moments, none of it. 

There were a lot of people starting the talk back in December that he had "the look", the eyeball test of an MVP.  The Hollinger club couldn't figure it out on their monitors.  And now here we are, in March, and the sounds are getting louder and louder about Rose being the MVP. 

Stats don't give you the whole picture gentlemen.  Come up with all the formulas and computations you want, D-Rose has been the most valuable player in the NBA this year.  Barring a momumental collapse from him in the next 5 weeks, it's his award.  Dwight second, Bron third. 

Not only are you ill-informed, but you're condescending to boot. What is a "stat fan," exactly? Someone who uses all available information/evidence to make an informed decision?

What do you know about Rose's leadership? You in the locker room with the rest of the team? How do you know he's tough? Has he played through an injury I'm not aware of? Couldn't you say the same thing for Dwight or a bunch of other star players? Plays made in big-moments? Here you go: http://www.82games.com/1011/CSORT11.HTM

When the score differential is not more than 5, and there is less than 5 minutes to go, Derrick Rose has shot 37% from the field, and 25% from three. Per 48 minute of crunch time he records 9.7 assists to go along with 5.8 turnovers.

And I couldn't care less about what the masses and media think about who should win the award. This MVP race reminds me of the NL MVP race in 2006 when Ryan Howard took home the award over Albert Pujols, who was clearly the superior player to anyone with cognitive function. Fortunately, progress has been made, and the MLB writers are starting to make better decisions, what with Felix and Lincecum recently winning the Cy. Sooner or later, the NBA media will get a clue as well. I'm sure you're someone who's still stuck on wins and RBI, though.

And I actually like Derrick Rose. Humble and soft spoken kid playing great basketball for the hometown team, and representing Chi well. MVP, though? No. Deserves mentioning? Sure.

 

[proshares]

Originally Posted by goldenarmz97

Gets me every time.

 

[proshares]

Originally Posted by goldenarmz97

Gets me every time.

 

[dland24]

Originally Posted by abovelegit1

Originally Posted by CP1708

Stat fans are absolutely gripping right now with Rose gaining all this momentum to the award. 

The bottom line is that your calculators and computers can't tell you a damn thing about leadership, toughness, plays made in big moments, none of it. 

There were a lot of people starting the talk back in December that he had "the look", the eyeball test of an MVP.  The Hollinger club couldn't figure it out on their monitors.  And now here we are, in March, and the sounds are getting louder and louder about Rose being the MVP. 

Stats don't give you the whole picture gentlemen.  Come up with all the formulas and computations you want, D-Rose has been the most valuable player in the NBA this year.  Barring a momumental collapse from him in the next 5 weeks, it's his award.  Dwight second, Bron third. 

Not only are you ill-informed, but you're condescending to boot. What is a "stat fan," exactly? Someone who uses all available information/evidence to make an informed decision?

What do you know about Rose's leadership? You in the locker room with the rest of the team? How do you know he's tough? Has he played through an injury I'm not aware of? Couldn't you say the same thing for Dwight or a bunch of other star players? Plays made in big-moments? Here you go: http://www.82games.com/1011/CSORT11.HTM

When the score differential is not more than 5, and there is less than 5 minutes to go, Derrick Rose has shot 37% from the field, and 25% from three. Per 48 minute of crunch time he records 9.7 assists to go along with 5.8 turnovers.

And I couldn't care less about what the masses and media think about who should win the award. This MVP race reminds me of the NL MVP race in 2006 when Ryan Howard took home the award over Albert Pujols, who was clearly the superior player to anyone with cognitive function. Fortunately, progress has been made, and the MLB writers are starting to make better decisions, what with Felix and Lincecum recently winning the Cy. Sooner or later, the NBA media will get a clue as well. I'm sure you're someone who's still stuck on wins and RBI, though.

And I actually like Derrick Rose. Humble and soft spoken kid playing great basketball for the hometown team, and representing Chi well. MVP, though? No. Deserves mentioning? Sure.

Sorry arstyle27.....but CP's "excellent basketball observation" was just obliterated by this rebuttal.  

 

[dland24]

Originally Posted by abovelegit1

Originally Posted by CP1708

Stat fans are absolutely gripping right now with Rose gaining all this momentum to the award. 

The bottom line is that your calculators and computers can't tell you a damn thing about leadership, toughness, plays made in big moments, none of it. 

There were a lot of people starting the talk back in December that he had "the look", the eyeball test of an MVP.  The Hollinger club couldn't figure it out on their monitors.  And now here we are, in March, and the sounds are getting louder and louder about Rose being the MVP. 

Stats don't give you the whole picture gentlemen.  Come up with all the formulas and computations you want, D-Rose has been the most valuable player in the NBA this year.  Barring a momumental collapse from him in the next 5 weeks, it's his award.  Dwight second, Bron third. 

Not only are you ill-informed, but you're condescending to boot. What is a "stat fan," exactly? Someone who uses all available information/evidence to make an informed decision?

What do you know about Rose's leadership? You in the locker room with the rest of the team? How do you know he's tough? Has he played through an injury I'm not aware of? Couldn't you say the same thing for Dwight or a bunch of other star players? Plays made in big-moments? Here you go: http://www.82games.com/1011/CSORT11.HTM

When the score differential is not more than 5, and there is less than 5 minutes to go, Derrick Rose has shot 37% from the field, and 25% from three. Per 48 minute of crunch time he records 9.7 assists to go along with 5.8 turnovers.

And I couldn't care less about what the masses and media think about who should win the award. This MVP race reminds me of the NL MVP race in 2006 when Ryan Howard took home the award over Albert Pujols, who was clearly the superior player to anyone with cognitive function. Fortunately, progress has been made, and the MLB writers are starting to make better decisions, what with Felix and Lincecum recently winning the Cy. Sooner or later, the NBA media will get a clue as well. I'm sure you're someone who's still stuck on wins and RBI, though.

And I actually like Derrick Rose. Humble and soft spoken kid playing great basketball for the hometown team, and representing Chi well. MVP, though? No. Deserves mentioning? Sure.

Sorry arstyle27.....but CP's "excellent basketball observation" was just obliterated by this rebuttal.  

 

[TheGodFresco]

Originally Posted by Proshares

Originally Posted by goldenarmz97

Gets me every time.

 

[TheGodFresco]

Originally Posted by Proshares

Originally Posted by goldenarmz97

Gets me every time.

 

[nicedudewithnicedreams]

Originally Posted by dland24

Originally Posted by abovelegit1

Originally Posted by CP1708

Stat fans are absolutely gripping right now with Rose gaining all this momentum to the award. 

The bottom line is that your calculators and computers can't tell you a damn thing about leadership, toughness, plays made in big moments, none of it. 

There were a lot of people starting the talk back in December that he had "the look", the eyeball test of an MVP.  The Hollinger club couldn't figure it out on their monitors.  And now here we are, in March, and the sounds are getting louder and louder about Rose being the MVP. 

Stats don't give you the whole picture gentlemen.  Come up with all the formulas and computations you want, D-Rose has been the most valuable player in the NBA this year.  Barring a momumental collapse from him in the next 5 weeks, it's his award.  Dwight second, Bron third. 

Not only are you ill-informed, but you're condescending to boot. What is a "stat fan," exactly? Someone who uses all available information/evidence to make an informed decision?

What do you know about Rose's leadership? You in the locker room with the rest of the team? How do you know he's tough? Has he played through an injury I'm not aware of? Couldn't you say the same thing for Dwight or a bunch of other star players? Plays made in big-moments? Here you go: http://www.82games.com/1011/CSORT11.HTM

When the score differential is not more than 5, and there is less than 5 minutes to go, Derrick Rose has shot 37% from the field, and 25% from three. Per 48 minute of crunch time he records 9.7 assists to go along with 5.8 turnovers.

And I couldn't care less about what the masses and media think about who should win the award. This MVP race reminds me of the NL MVP race in 2006 when Ryan Howard took home the award over Albert Pujols, who was clearly the superior player to anyone with cognitive function. Fortunately, progress has been made, and the MLB writers are starting to make better decisions, what with Felix and Lincecum recently winning the Cy. Sooner or later, the NBA media will get a clue as well. I'm sure you're someone who's still stuck on wins and RBI, though.

And I actually like Derrick Rose. Humble and soft spoken kid playing great basketball for the hometown team, and representing Chi well. MVP, though? No. Deserves mentioning? Sure.

Sorry arstyle27.....but CP's "excellent basketball observation" was just obliterated by this rebuttal.  

Popcorn gif time?

 

[nicedudewithnicedreams]

Originally Posted by dland24

Originally Posted by abovelegit1

Originally Posted by CP1708

Stat fans are absolutely gripping right now with Rose gaining all this momentum to the award. 

The bottom line is that your calculators and computers can't tell you a damn thing about leadership, toughness, plays made in big moments, none of it. 

There were a lot of people starting the talk back in December that he had "the look", the eyeball test of an MVP.  The Hollinger club couldn't figure it out on their monitors.  And now here we are, in March, and the sounds are getting louder and louder about Rose being the MVP. 

Stats don't give you the whole picture gentlemen.  Come up with all the formulas and computations you want, D-Rose has been the most valuable player in the NBA this year.  Barring a momumental collapse from him in the next 5 weeks, it's his award.  Dwight second, Bron third. 

Not only are you ill-informed, but you're condescending to boot. What is a "stat fan," exactly? Someone who uses all available information/evidence to make an informed decision?

What do you know about Rose's leadership? You in the locker room with the rest of the team? How do you know he's tough? Has he played through an injury I'm not aware of? Couldn't you say the same thing for Dwight or a bunch of other star players? Plays made in big-moments? Here you go: http://www.82games.com/1011/CSORT11.HTM

When the score differential is not more than 5, and there is less than 5 minutes to go, Derrick Rose has shot 37% from the field, and 25% from three. Per 48 minute of crunch time he records 9.7 assists to go along with 5.8 turnovers.

And I couldn't care less about what the masses and media think about who should win the award. This MVP race reminds me of the NL MVP race in 2006 when Ryan Howard took home the award over Albert Pujols, who was clearly the superior player to anyone with cognitive function. Fortunately, progress has been made, and the MLB writers are starting to make better decisions, what with Felix and Lincecum recently winning the Cy. Sooner or later, the NBA media will get a clue as well. I'm sure you're someone who's still stuck on wins and RBI, though.

And I actually like Derrick Rose. Humble and soft spoken kid playing great basketball for the hometown team, and representing Chi well. MVP, though? No. Deserves mentioning? Sure.

Sorry arstyle27.....but CP's "excellent basketball observation" was just obliterated by this rebuttal.  

Popcorn gif time?

 

[presequel]

Originally Posted by nicedudewithnicedreams

Originally Posted by dland24

Originally Posted by abovelegit1

Originally Posted by CP1708

Stat fans are absolutely gripping right now with Rose gaining all this momentum to the award. 

The bottom line is that your calculators and computers can't tell you a damn thing about leadership, toughness, plays made in big moments, none of it. 

There were a lot of people starting the talk back in December that he had "the look", the eyeball test of an MVP.  The Hollinger club couldn't figure it out on their monitors.  And now here we are, in March, and the sounds are getting louder and louder about Rose being the MVP. 

Stats don't give you the whole picture gentlemen.  Come up with all the formulas and computations you want, D-Rose has been the most valuable player in the NBA this year.  Barring a momumental collapse from him in the next 5 weeks, it's his award.  Dwight second, Bron third. 

Not only are you ill-informed, but you're condescending to boot. What is a "stat fan," exactly? Someone who uses all available information/evidence to make an informed decision?

What do you know about Rose's leadership? You in the locker room with the rest of the team? How do you know he's tough? Has he played through an injury I'm not aware of? Couldn't you say the same thing for Dwight or a bunch of other star players? Plays made in big-moments? Here you go: http://www.82games.com/1011/CSORT11.HTM

When the score differential is not more than 5, and there is less than 5 minutes to go, Derrick Rose has shot 37% from the field, and 25% from three. Per 48 minute of crunch time he records 9.7 assists to go along with 5.8 turnovers.

And I couldn't care less about what the masses and media think about who should win the award. This MVP race reminds me of the NL MVP race in 2006 when Ryan Howard took home the award over Albert Pujols, who was clearly the superior player to anyone with cognitive function. Fortunately, progress has been made, and the MLB writers are starting to make better decisions, what with Felix and Lincecum recently winning the Cy. Sooner or later, the NBA media will get a clue as well. I'm sure you're someone who's still stuck on wins and RBI, though.

And I actually like Derrick Rose. Humble and soft spoken kid playing great basketball for the hometown team, and representing Chi well. MVP, though? No. Deserves mentioning? Sure.

Sorry arstyle27.....but CP's "excellent basketball observation" was just obliterated by this rebuttal.  

Popcorn gif time?

Well, if we want to talk stats, how many times has a player with the 4th best record in his own conference won MVP? I think only once. 


Individual stats matter, but bein on a top 3 team seems to be the criteria as well. 

 

[presequel]

Originally Posted by nicedudewithnicedreams

Originally Posted by dland24

Originally Posted by abovelegit1

Originally Posted by CP1708

Stat fans are absolutely gripping right now with Rose gaining all this momentum to the award. 

The bottom line is that your calculators and computers can't tell you a damn thing about leadership, toughness, plays made in big moments, none of it. 

There were a lot of people starting the talk back in December that he had "the look", the eyeball test of an MVP.  The Hollinger club couldn't figure it out on their monitors.  And now here we are, in March, and the sounds are getting louder and louder about Rose being the MVP. 

Stats don't give you the whole picture gentlemen.  Come up with all the formulas and computations you want, D-Rose has been the most valuable player in the NBA this year.  Barring a momumental collapse from him in the next 5 weeks, it's his award.  Dwight second, Bron third. 

Not only are you ill-informed, but you're condescending to boot. What is a "stat fan," exactly? Someone who uses all available information/evidence to make an informed decision?

What do you know about Rose's leadership? You in the locker room with the rest of the team? How do you know he's tough? Has he played through an injury I'm not aware of? Couldn't you say the same thing for Dwight or a bunch of other star players? Plays made in big-moments? Here you go: http://www.82games.com/1011/CSORT11.HTM

When the score differential is not more than 5, and there is less than 5 minutes to go, Derrick Rose has shot 37% from the field, and 25% from three. Per 48 minute of crunch time he records 9.7 assists to go along with 5.8 turnovers.

And I couldn't care less about what the masses and media think about who should win the award. This MVP race reminds me of the NL MVP race in 2006 when Ryan Howard took home the award over Albert Pujols, who was clearly the superior player to anyone with cognitive function. Fortunately, progress has been made, and the MLB writers are starting to make better decisions, what with Felix and Lincecum recently winning the Cy. Sooner or later, the NBA media will get a clue as well. I'm sure you're someone who's still stuck on wins and RBI, though.

And I actually like Derrick Rose. Humble and soft spoken kid playing great basketball for the hometown team, and representing Chi well. MVP, though? No. Deserves mentioning? Sure.

Sorry arstyle27.....but CP's "excellent basketball observation" was just obliterated by this rebuttal.  

Popcorn gif time?

Well, if we want to talk stats, how many times has a player with the 4th best record in his own conference won MVP? I think only once. 


Individual stats matter, but bein on a top 3 team seems to be the criteria as well. 

 

[CP1708]

dland24 wrote:

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abovelegit1 wrote:

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CP1708 wrote:

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Stat fans are absolutely gripping right now with Rose gaining all this momentum to the award. 

The bottom line is that your calculators and computers can't tell you a damn thing about leadership, toughness, plays made in big moments, none of it. 

There were a lot of people starting the talk back in December that he had "the look", the eyeball test of an MVP.  The Hollinger club couldn't figure it out on their monitors.  And now here we are, in March, and the sounds are getting louder and louder about Rose being the MVP. 

Stats don't give you the whole picture gentlemen.  Come up with all the formulas and computations you want, D-Rose has been the most valuable player in the NBA this year.  Barring a momumental collapse from him in the next 5 weeks, it's his award.  Dwight second, Bron third. 

Not only are you ill-informed, but you're condescending to boot. What is a "stat fan," exactly? Someone who uses all available information/evidence to make an informed decision?

What do you know about Rose's leadership? You in the locker room with the rest of the team? How do you know he's tough? Has he played through an injury I'm not aware of? Couldn't you say the same thing for Dwight or a bunch of other star players? Plays made in big-moments? Here you go: httphttp://www.82games.com/1011/CSORT11.HTM://www.82games.com/1011/CSORT11.HTM

When the score differential is not more than 5, and there is less than 5 minutes to go, Derrick Rose has shot 37% from the field, and 25% from three. Per 48 minute of crunch time he records 9.7 assists to go along with 5.8 turnovers.

And I couldn't care less about what the masses and media think about who should win the award. This MVP race reminds me of the NL MVP race in 2006 when Ryan Howard took home the award over Albert Pujols, who was clearly the superior player to anyone with cognitive function. Fortunately, progress has been made, and the MLB writers are starting to make better decisions, what with Felix and Lincecum recently winning the Cy. Sooner or later, the NBA media will get a clue as well. I'm sure you're someone who's still stuck on wins and RBI, though.

And I actually like Derrick Rose. Humble and soft spoken kid playing great basketball for the hometown team, and representing Chi well. MVP, though? No. Deserves mentioning? Sure.


Sorry arstyle27.....but CP's "excellent basketball observation" was just obliterated by this rebuttal.  



Oh? 

Aye, was Steve Nash a better basketball player than Kobe 4 years ago? 

 

No? 

Well which one won the MVP? 

Oh, that's right.  The guy that was on the 2 seed won.  I see. 

What part of your stats do you not understand DON'T MATTER?  Why do you keep doing When the score differential is not more than 5, and there is less than 5 minutes to go, Derrick Rose has shot 37% from the field, and 25% from three. Per 48 minute of crunch time he records 9.7 assists to go along with 5.8 turnovers. 

What the hell does any of that @#$% matter?  No really, why do you keep coming up with cool lookin formulas to talk about a game that is not played on a damn laptop?  Forgive me for this, but I didn't see Lebron out there defending people with a pencil and a pair of glasses on.  The stuff that happens on a court got NOTHING to do with stats and equations. 

Miami is 1-18 in the final shot type situations, that mean the Bulls could just send in 5 bench guys to handle the last stop then? 

Team X is 40-0 when leading after the first quarter, they lead after the first quarter tomorrow, should team Y stop playing the last 3 quarters and hit the showers early? 

You guys want to compute everything, and things just do not work that way.  Do numbers have value, and/or merit?  YES.  YES, ABSOLUTELY.   But is there not part of the game that is NOT EASILY BROKEN DOWN INTO FORMULAS?  Yes, there is.  And right now, the whole damn country is seeing it.  The swell for Rose for MVP is growing by the game.  He's been 1-2 in MVP on most sites for months, and it's only heating up now.  And when I say that, you come at me with When the score differential is not more than 5, and there is less than 5 minutes to go, Derrick Rose has shot 37% from the field, and 25% from three. Per 48 minute of crunch time he records 9.7 assists to go along with 5.8 turnovers. 

Bottom line, Bron is now out of the running for this fact.  The league, and the voters, have seen the Heat beat all the nobody teams,and lose to the big dogs.  Nobody is going to give the MVP to a guy that loses every "big" game there is.  (I'm not one for "big" regular season games, but we're talking about mass opinion here)  I would hope that you would see and agree with that.  You can't go 0fer vs Boston, Chicago, SA, Dallas and be the MVP, it's not possible. 
Dwight has been GREAT this season.  And his team surely needs him to be.  But his team is in 4th, they should likely finish in that spot, maybe they inch up, maybe they inch down, but I think 4 is about where they land.  Him finishing second is not a crime.  Do his numbers show that he "should" be the most valuable?  Probably.  Is he doing better then Shaq was doing in his prime?  I don't think so.  How many MVP's did Shaq get in his career?  Oh, 1.  When he was "the best player" more then 1 year of his life, correct? 

There are just things that you can not type into a spreadsheet and make it make sense.  I wish you guys would see that and understand it.  You guys keep using words like Empirical evidence, and stats don't lie and blah blah blah.  But games/seasons/championships etc are not won that way.  There is no way to figure out hustle, desire, heart, toughness, leadership, NONE of that.  There's no way to define it or smell it or any of that.  But you can watch it, over the course of 6 months, and you can look at a guy and a team that many had in the 4-5 range before the season, see their second best player get hurt, miss 25 games or whatever, get that guy back, and then their third best guy goes down for another 25 games right after #2 comes back.  And all the while, that team goes above and beyond, and goes into the 2 seed out East, maintained by a kid having a great year, who goes in and beats on Chris Paul, then Deron Willaims, then the best record Spurs on national TV, then beats Bron, Dwight, and Bron again.  Nobody saw that coming.  Maybe that helps him "earn" the pub he's getting.  Don't know for sure.  But the bottom line is, THIS is how MVP's are won and lost.   Not by any of your fantastic stats.  So please, put them away.  You can say that other players were "better" then D Rose this year, that is fine, and your stats can back you up, but they can not tell you who is most valuable to his team.  You need your eyes for that.  If stats were the only thing that mattered, then we wouldn't need to watch games to vote, we could just enter the numbers into a spreadsheet, hit enter, and our MVP would be awarded.  But that's not the way it works.  Their is so much more to the game then ratio's and percentages and formulas.  Sooner you guys understand that, the better off we'll all be.  It's not all stats, it's not all heart.  It's a combo of BOTH. 

 

[CP1708]

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Stat fans are absolutely gripping right now with Rose gaining all this momentum to the award. 

The bottom line is that your calculators and computers can't tell you a damn thing about leadership, toughness, plays made in big moments, none of it. 

There were a lot of people starting the talk back in December that he had "the look", the eyeball test of an MVP.  The Hollinger club couldn't figure it out on their monitors.  And now here we are, in March, and the sounds are getting louder and louder about Rose being the MVP. 

Stats don't give you the whole picture gentlemen.  Come up with all the formulas and computations you want, D-Rose has been the most valuable player in the NBA this year.  Barring a momumental collapse from him in the next 5 weeks, it's his award.  Dwight second, Bron third. 

Not only are you ill-informed, but you're condescending to boot. What is a "stat fan," exactly? Someone who uses all available information/evidence to make an informed decision?

What do you know about Rose's leadership? You in the locker room with the rest of the team? How do you know he's tough? Has he played through an injury I'm not aware of? Couldn't you say the same thing for Dwight or a bunch of other star players? Plays made in big-moments? Here you go: httphttp://www.82games.com/1011/CSORT11.HTM://www.82games.com/1011/CSORT11.HTM

When the score differential is not more than 5, and there is less than 5 minutes to go, Derrick Rose has shot 37% from the field, and 25% from three. Per 48 minute of crunch time he records 9.7 assists to go along with 5.8 turnovers.

And I couldn't care less about what the masses and media think about who should win the award. This MVP race reminds me of the NL MVP race in 2006 when Ryan Howard took home the award over Albert Pujols, who was clearly the superior player to anyone with cognitive function. Fortunately, progress has been made, and the MLB writers are starting to make better decisions, what with Felix and Lincecum recently winning the Cy. Sooner or later, the NBA media will get a clue as well. I'm sure you're someone who's still stuck on wins and RBI, though.

And I actually like Derrick Rose. Humble and soft spoken kid playing great basketball for the hometown team, and representing Chi well. MVP, though? No. Deserves mentioning? Sure.


Sorry arstyle27.....but CP's "excellent basketball observation" was just obliterated by this rebuttal.  



Oh? 

Aye, was Steve Nash a better basketball player than Kobe 4 years ago? 

 

No? 

Well which one won the MVP? 

Oh, that's right.  The guy that was on the 2 seed won.  I see. 

What part of your stats do you not understand DON'T MATTER?  Why do you keep doing When the score differential is not more than 5, and there is less than 5 minutes to go, Derrick Rose has shot 37% from the field, and 25% from three. Per 48 minute of crunch time he records 9.7 assists to go along with 5.8 turnovers. 

What the hell does any of that @#$% matter?  No really, why do you keep coming up with cool lookin formulas to talk about a game that is not played on a damn laptop?  Forgive me for this, but I didn't see Lebron out there defending people with a pencil and a pair of glasses on.  The stuff that happens on a court got NOTHING to do with stats and equations. 

Miami is 1-18 in the final shot type situations, that mean the Bulls could just send in 5 bench guys to handle the last stop then? 

Team X is 40-0 when leading after the first quarter, they lead after the first quarter tomorrow, should team Y stop playing the last 3 quarters and hit the showers early? 

You guys want to compute everything, and things just do not work that way.  Do numbers have value, and/or merit?  YES.  YES, ABSOLUTELY.   But is there not part of the game that is NOT EASILY BROKEN DOWN INTO FORMULAS?  Yes, there is.  And right now, the whole damn country is seeing it.  The swell for Rose for MVP is growing by the game.  He's been 1-2 in MVP on most sites for months, and it's only heating up now.  And when I say that, you come at me with When the score differential is not more than 5, and there is less than 5 minutes to go, Derrick Rose has shot 37% from the field, and 25% from three. Per 48 minute of crunch time he records 9.7 assists to go along with 5.8 turnovers. 

Bottom line, Bron is now out of the running for this fact.  The league, and the voters, have seen the Heat beat all the nobody teams,and lose to the big dogs.  Nobody is going to give the MVP to a guy that loses every "big" game there is.  (I'm not one for "big" regular season games, but we're talking about mass opinion here)  I would hope that you would see and agree with that.  You can't go 0fer vs Boston, Chicago, SA, Dallas and be the MVP, it's not possible. 
Dwight has been GREAT this season.  And his team surely needs him to be.  But his team is in 4th, they should likely finish in that spot, maybe they inch up, maybe they inch down, but I think 4 is about where they land.  Him finishing second is not a crime.  Do his numbers show that he "should" be the most valuable?  Probably.  Is he doing better then Shaq was doing in his prime?  I don't think so.  How many MVP's did Shaq get in his career?  Oh, 1.  When he was "the best player" more then 1 year of his life, correct? 

There are just things that you can not type into a spreadsheet and make it make sense.  I wish you guys would see that and understand it.  You guys keep using words like Empirical evidence, and stats don't lie and blah blah blah.  But games/seasons/championships etc are not won that way.  There is no way to figure out hustle, desire, heart, toughness, leadership, NONE of that.  There's no way to define it or smell it or any of that.  But you can watch it, over the course of 6 months, and you can look at a guy and a team that many had in the 4-5 range before the season, see their second best player get hurt, miss 25 games or whatever, get that guy back, and then their third best guy goes down for another 25 games right after #2 comes back.  And all the while, that team goes above and beyond, and goes into the 2 seed out East, maintained by a kid having a great year, who goes in and beats on Chris Paul, then Deron Willaims, then the best record Spurs on national TV, then beats Bron, Dwight, and Bron again.  Nobody saw that coming.  Maybe that helps him "earn" the pub he's getting.  Don't know for sure.  But the bottom line is, THIS is how MVP's are won and lost.   Not by any of your fantastic stats.  So please, put them away.  You can say that other players were "better" then D Rose this year, that is fine, and your stats can back you up, but they can not tell you who is most valuable to his team.  You need your eyes for that.  If stats were the only thing that mattered, then we wouldn't need to watch games to vote, we could just enter the numbers into a spreadsheet, hit enter, and our MVP would be awarded.  But that's not the way it works.  Their is so much more to the game then ratio's and percentages and formulas.  Sooner you guys understand that, the better off we'll all be.  It's not all stats, it's not all heart.  It's a combo of BOTH. 

 

[larrydavidswag]

omg, it's back to the "he cant win the big one" argument?


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when they smash teams, yall gon be the same dudes saying "man, they have wade and bron...waaaaah"

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the tears will be delicious.

(what "big game" has d rose won? i wait...)