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2013-2014 NBA Thread - IND @ WAS and OKC @ LAC on ESPN
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was this posted up? the sixers/devils "major announcement"...a new sponsor, meh
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/1...ey-devils-sign-online-gaming-sponsorship-deal
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NBA's Most Fined Players Ever..no surprises here
7. Metta World Peace
Someone who does make the list, though, is Metta World Peace, formerly known as Ron Artest. He picked up four fines from 2003 to this April, amounting to fees totaling $75,000.
6. Kevin Garnett
Next is Kevin Garnett, another highly fined athlete who notched five penalties from 2003 to April 2013, totaling a combined $85,000.
5. Kenyon Martin
Kenyon Martin takes the No. 5 spot with five fines in a 10-year period. The New York Knicks forward has incurred the same number of fines as Garnett, but his fees total $107,500, compared to Garnett’s $85,000.
4. Allen Iverson
Coming in fourth is Allen Iverson, thanks to the six fines he collected from 2003 to this April. Iverson has paid the NBA $87,500 for his unruly behavior.
3. Shaquille O’Neal
Getting closer to the top of the mountain, we come to Shaquille O’Neal, a retired superstar who racked up the same amount of fines, six, as Iverson, but paid a higher price for them — $145,000, in fact.
2. Stephen Jackson
Jackson comes in second place with his own six fines, but he takes O’Neal’s $145,000 and raises him $35,000, to $180,000.
1. Rasheed Wallace
Last — but unfortunately for him, definitely not least — is Rasheed Wallace. He rang up a solid eight fines for $205,000 during the 2003 to April 2013 period, and the now-retired pro baller has two significantly high fines to thank for contributing to that total. One such penalty came in April 2010, when Wallace was fined $35,000 for criticizing officials.
http://wallstcheatsheet.com/stocks/nbas-7-most-fined-players.html/?a=viewall
The title of that article is misleading and that information is incomplete
I found a better site that has fines and suspensions dating back to the 1994-1995 season:
http://www.eskimo.com/~pbender/fines.html
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So he was sippin' on grandpa's old cough medicine.
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Wow @ Bron already being the best player on the Cavs court as a HS junior
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That's when he allegedly banged on Chris mihm backwards
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Bron was just a freak man 
The Jordan of prospects
The Jordan of prospects
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This is not possible. An amnestied player can not return to the team that amnestied him for the duration of the existing contract, in a situation where its the final year of the contract, then its July 1st.
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I agree with this.
When Chase and Turiaf went down I never felt like I wasw watching this team at full strength. Yeah they've had some good wins and close games. But I think with Chase and Turiaf the bench is a lot better and it would give Rick a little more flexibility at the end of games. And I think Flip traded Dwill at the wrong time. I like Luc I understand more defense but he's a limited scorer.
It'll be interesting to seee how they play going in to all-star weekend. But they have to stop losing to teams that are also battling for position in the West. I'm pretty sure if we miss it regardless Love will talk a lot in the off-season.
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Anyone believe that the 2003 draft was not fixed?
Had Bron practicing with the damn team while he was still in HS
Had Bron practicing with the damn team while he was still in HS
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I wouldn't be surprised, same goes for Derrick Rose. All for the money, draft the hometown hero and market the hell out of it.Anyone believe that the 2003 draft was not fixed?
Had Bron practicing with the damn team while he was still in HS
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Not to give em an excuse but they've been terrible in ATL for a few years now. Just some buildings. Think in the regular season it's been 12 in a row.
BTW, this will surely rustle some feathers.
Top 10 point guards for 2013-14.
Top 10 point guards for 2013-14.
Who would we pick if we were choosing up sides on the playground for a game today? Our midseason update of player rankings continues to address that question with the league's most loaded position: point guards. It's been written many times, but the way the professional game is played now, teams can't win without a capable offensive initiator. The defensive rules that open the floor and limit handchecking led to an explosion of pick-and-roll play. The proliferation of floor-spacing deep shooters has given the quick ball handlers working off all those ball screens room to operate.
Gradually, the pace of play has increased and lineups have gotten smaller. Teams began to seek smaller, quicker players who were as much of a scoring threat as they were a playmaker. Finally we reached a juncture where point guard became the most important position on the floor, even if you're a team that uses a non-traditional lead guard to run the offense. This season, once again teams are getting more value out of the point guard position than any other spot on the floor. (See chart.)
TrueWARP by position
Position Pct.
PG 30.7
PF 22.4
C 22.3
SG 12.9
SF 11.7
As a result, it's harder to crack the top tier of a rankings system like this if you're classified as a point guard. Because there are five positions on the floor, only 50 players can be named as top-10 players at their spot in this rankings series. Currently, 17 point guards rank among the top 50 in TrueWARP.
The summer's point guard rankings can be found here. Each player's "TrueWARP" calculation -- a blend of a player's preseason baseline forecast and his 2013-14 results -- is noted, along with each player's 2013-14 WARP and league-wide rank in WARP for the season to date. Because we're extrapolating from a half-season of real results, the methodology was a little bit different from our forecast-based summer rankings. See the explainer at the end of the article for how these rankings were derived.
Paul
1. Chris Paul | Los Angeles Clippers
TrueWARP: 18.9 | 2013-14 WARP: 8.6 | Overall rank: 3
Early in the season, it looked like Paul was headed for a historically great season. He fell off a bit after that, and now he's on the shelf for three to five weeks with a shoulder separation. Still, he's done more than enough to maintain his top spot from the summer. Everything Paul has done is right smack on target with his lofty career standards.
Curry
2. Stephen Curry | Golden State Warriors
TrueWARP: 17.0 | 2013-14 WARP: 7.5 | Overall rank: 5
The game's most explosive shooter has jumped two spots in the ratings by honing his playmaking skills. Curry's shot has actually been off this season, at least for him. A career 43.8 percent 3-point shooter, Curry is at 39.6 percent this season, no small decline for a player averaging eight 3-point attempts per game. However, his PER is still at a career-best 22.3 thanks to his assist rate. Before this season, Curry's highest average of assists per 36 minutes was 6.8; this season, he's at 9.1.
Westbrook
3. Russell Westbrook | Oklahoma City Thunder
TrueWARP: 12.9 | 2013-14 WARP: 3.9 | Overall rank: 22
Westbrook's first injury didn't affect his projection since all the games he missed were in the playoffs. This season, Westbrook was right on target before being injured. His projected individual winning percentage was .646, and at the time he went down last month, he was at .642. Westbrook's shooting percentages hadn't completely recovered from his layoff, but he made up for that with a bigger effort on the boards, where he was averaging six caroms per contest.
Lowry
4. Kyle Lowry | Toronto Raptors
TrueWARP: 12.2 | 2013-14 WARP: 5.5 | Overall rank: 9
It's tempting to type an appeal for people to just recognize that Lowry is pretty good, but he remains the subject of numerous trade rumors, which kind of undermines that sentiment. Lowry was a controversial pick as the No. 8 point guard in the summer rankings. Since then, he's gone out and played even better than his ATH forecast, and at present ranks ninth in the league in WARP. There have been two primary areas of improvement: Lowry is taking and making more 3s than ever before, and he's posting the lowest turnover rate of his career.
Lillard
5. Damian Lillard | Portland Trail Blazers
TrueWARP: 11.3 | 2013-14 WARP: 5.0 | Overall rank: 12
With a better roster around him, Lillard has taken a big step forward from his Rookie of the Year 2012-13 campaign. He's become more of a scorer than a passer, and more of his possessions are terminating in 3-point shots and free throws, while fewer of them are chalked up to turnovers. He's improved from a league-average 3-point shooter to a knockdown, 45-percent marksman. Simply put, Lillard has played like an All-Star.
Wall
6. John Wall | Washington Wizards
TrueWARP: 10.9 | 2013-14 WARP: 4.2 | Overall rank: 19
We figured the Wizards' fortunes were tied directly to Wall's hoped-for improvement, and the former top pick has come through with a breakout season. He's still not a great shooter, but he's been more selective and thus has reduced his frequency of negative plays. The improvements to Wall's personal stat line are subtle, but the breakout can be found in this fact: Washington is on target to make the postseason for the first time in six seasons.
Irving
7. Kyrie Irving | Cleveland Cavaliers
TrueWARP: 10.9 | 2013-14 WARP: 3.7 | Overall rank: 28
Irving has fallen four spots since the summer as he's struggled to acclimate to the system installed by new coach Mike Brown. Irving has shot worse inside the arc, outside the arc and from the foul line. Not a good combination. However, Irving's true shooting percentage regressed to his career norm during December, and he started January with his most efficient game of the season.
Thomas
8. Isaiah Thomas | Sacramento Kings
TrueWARP: 10.5 | 2013-14 WARP: 4.5 | Overall rank: 16
Thomas has been a per-minute star ever since entering the league, and now he's getting big minutes as the Kings' starting point guard. He's been fantastic. Thomas is shooting a career-best 42.2 percent from deep, and his foul-drawing rate inside the arc ranks 10th among qualifying point guards. Meanwhile, he's handing out assists at a career-best rate. As a result, the revamped Kings have a clear-cut big three on the offensive end in Thomas, DeMarcus Cousins and Rudy Gay.
Lawson
9. Ty Lawson | Denver Nuggets
TrueWARP: 9.7 | 2013-14 WARP: 3.7 | Overall rank: 26
Lawson holds steady as the No. 9 point guard, but he has taken a different route to get there. Playing for the first time in a non-George Karl offense, Lawson has become even more of a driver, and is getting to the line with a career-high frequency. He's kicking out more, as well, and his assist rate is a career best. The trade-off has been a lower shooting percentage and more turnovers. What hasn't changed is that Lawson is Denver's most valuable commodity.
Conley
10. Mike Conley | Memphis Grizzlies
TrueWARP: 9.7 | 2013-14 WARP: 3.8 | Overall rank: 23
Conley's offensive contribution is at a career peak. His WARP indicators are undermined by Memphis' precipitous drop on the defensive end. The Grizzlies have slipped from second to 24th on defense, with a drop from third to 21st in forcing turnovers. That's reflected directly in Conley's defensive rating. That might be unfair, but in a statistical sense you've got to penalize the players on the court even when the real culprit might be standing on the sidelines. (And that refers to Marc Gasol's absence as much as it does to first-time coach Dave Joerger.)
Next five: Goran Dragic, Phoenix Suns; Kemba Walker, Charlotte Bobcats; Michael Carter-Williams, Philadelphia 76ers; Derrick Rose, Chicago Bulls; Eric Bledsoe, Phoenix Suns.
Suns coach Jeff Hornacek has managed the minutes of his two best players -- both point guards -- so well, both Dragic and Bledsoe have played the majority of their minutes at point guard even though they share the floor much of the time. Dragic is the 2-guard in those lineups, but Hornacek has given him plenty of chances to run the show. Carter-Williams is a runaway pick for Rookie of the Year, and his emergence as a top-15 point guard statistically is especially impressive given the number of games he missed, and because his college translations weren't particularly favorable. As for Rose, my system still gives him some love from his former brilliance, but with each new injury, he slips farther and farther back into the pack.
Also notable: 16. Deron Williams, Brooklyn Nets; 17. Brandon Jennings, Detroit Pistons; 18. Jose Calderon, Dallas Mavericks; 19. Tony Parker, San Antonio Spurs; 20. Ricky Rubio, Minnesota Timberwolves; 21. Jrue Holiday, New Orleans Pelicans; 22. Mario Chalmers, Miami Heat; 23. George Hill, Indiana Pacers; 24. Jeff Teague, Atlanta Hawks; 25. Jeremy Lin, Houston Rockets; 26. Patrick Beverley, Houston Rockets.
Parker's No. 13 ranking was the most controversial of any player's rating from the summer series, so I don't expect many warm sentiments stemming from Parker's six-place tumble in the update. The summer ranking wasn't really that bad. As mentioned in the intro, with the NBA being so point guard-heavy, the 13th-ranked point guard is still a top-25 player overall. The earlier rankings were based on a forecast, and the ATH system decided Parker had reached an age when players like him begin to lose value. In the real world, would I have taken 12 point guards before Parker? No -- I watched the Finals just like everybody else.
Parker has done little to boost his rating so far this season. In fact, he currently ranks 81st in the league in 2013-14 WARP. Much of that is by design, and Parker's numbers will probably go up as we near the postseason. He's shooting the 3-ball at a career-best clip, but he's getting to the line less frequently than he has in 10 years. Perhaps because of that more passive approach, Parker's drive-and-kick game has not been as prolific, and his assist rate has dropped to its lowest level in a decade. His minutes are also down. Can he do more? Sure. Will he? Almost certainly. But we can only measure what he has done, not what he's capable of doing.
Gradually, the pace of play has increased and lineups have gotten smaller. Teams began to seek smaller, quicker players who were as much of a scoring threat as they were a playmaker. Finally we reached a juncture where point guard became the most important position on the floor, even if you're a team that uses a non-traditional lead guard to run the offense. This season, once again teams are getting more value out of the point guard position than any other spot on the floor. (See chart.)
TrueWARP by position
Position Pct.
PG 30.7
PF 22.4
C 22.3
SG 12.9
SF 11.7
As a result, it's harder to crack the top tier of a rankings system like this if you're classified as a point guard. Because there are five positions on the floor, only 50 players can be named as top-10 players at their spot in this rankings series. Currently, 17 point guards rank among the top 50 in TrueWARP.
The summer's point guard rankings can be found here. Each player's "TrueWARP" calculation -- a blend of a player's preseason baseline forecast and his 2013-14 results -- is noted, along with each player's 2013-14 WARP and league-wide rank in WARP for the season to date. Because we're extrapolating from a half-season of real results, the methodology was a little bit different from our forecast-based summer rankings. See the explainer at the end of the article for how these rankings were derived.
Paul
1. Chris Paul | Los Angeles Clippers
TrueWARP: 18.9 | 2013-14 WARP: 8.6 | Overall rank: 3
Early in the season, it looked like Paul was headed for a historically great season. He fell off a bit after that, and now he's on the shelf for three to five weeks with a shoulder separation. Still, he's done more than enough to maintain his top spot from the summer. Everything Paul has done is right smack on target with his lofty career standards.
Curry
2. Stephen Curry | Golden State Warriors
TrueWARP: 17.0 | 2013-14 WARP: 7.5 | Overall rank: 5
The game's most explosive shooter has jumped two spots in the ratings by honing his playmaking skills. Curry's shot has actually been off this season, at least for him. A career 43.8 percent 3-point shooter, Curry is at 39.6 percent this season, no small decline for a player averaging eight 3-point attempts per game. However, his PER is still at a career-best 22.3 thanks to his assist rate. Before this season, Curry's highest average of assists per 36 minutes was 6.8; this season, he's at 9.1.
Westbrook
3. Russell Westbrook | Oklahoma City Thunder
TrueWARP: 12.9 | 2013-14 WARP: 3.9 | Overall rank: 22
Westbrook's first injury didn't affect his projection since all the games he missed were in the playoffs. This season, Westbrook was right on target before being injured. His projected individual winning percentage was .646, and at the time he went down last month, he was at .642. Westbrook's shooting percentages hadn't completely recovered from his layoff, but he made up for that with a bigger effort on the boards, where he was averaging six caroms per contest.
Lowry
4. Kyle Lowry | Toronto Raptors
TrueWARP: 12.2 | 2013-14 WARP: 5.5 | Overall rank: 9
It's tempting to type an appeal for people to just recognize that Lowry is pretty good, but he remains the subject of numerous trade rumors, which kind of undermines that sentiment. Lowry was a controversial pick as the No. 8 point guard in the summer rankings. Since then, he's gone out and played even better than his ATH forecast, and at present ranks ninth in the league in WARP. There have been two primary areas of improvement: Lowry is taking and making more 3s than ever before, and he's posting the lowest turnover rate of his career.
Lillard
5. Damian Lillard | Portland Trail Blazers
TrueWARP: 11.3 | 2013-14 WARP: 5.0 | Overall rank: 12
With a better roster around him, Lillard has taken a big step forward from his Rookie of the Year 2012-13 campaign. He's become more of a scorer than a passer, and more of his possessions are terminating in 3-point shots and free throws, while fewer of them are chalked up to turnovers. He's improved from a league-average 3-point shooter to a knockdown, 45-percent marksman. Simply put, Lillard has played like an All-Star.
Wall
6. John Wall | Washington Wizards
TrueWARP: 10.9 | 2013-14 WARP: 4.2 | Overall rank: 19
We figured the Wizards' fortunes were tied directly to Wall's hoped-for improvement, and the former top pick has come through with a breakout season. He's still not a great shooter, but he's been more selective and thus has reduced his frequency of negative plays. The improvements to Wall's personal stat line are subtle, but the breakout can be found in this fact: Washington is on target to make the postseason for the first time in six seasons.
Irving
7. Kyrie Irving | Cleveland Cavaliers
TrueWARP: 10.9 | 2013-14 WARP: 3.7 | Overall rank: 28
Irving has fallen four spots since the summer as he's struggled to acclimate to the system installed by new coach Mike Brown. Irving has shot worse inside the arc, outside the arc and from the foul line. Not a good combination. However, Irving's true shooting percentage regressed to his career norm during December, and he started January with his most efficient game of the season.
Thomas
8. Isaiah Thomas | Sacramento Kings
TrueWARP: 10.5 | 2013-14 WARP: 4.5 | Overall rank: 16
Thomas has been a per-minute star ever since entering the league, and now he's getting big minutes as the Kings' starting point guard. He's been fantastic. Thomas is shooting a career-best 42.2 percent from deep, and his foul-drawing rate inside the arc ranks 10th among qualifying point guards. Meanwhile, he's handing out assists at a career-best rate. As a result, the revamped Kings have a clear-cut big three on the offensive end in Thomas, DeMarcus Cousins and Rudy Gay.
Lawson
9. Ty Lawson | Denver Nuggets
TrueWARP: 9.7 | 2013-14 WARP: 3.7 | Overall rank: 26
Lawson holds steady as the No. 9 point guard, but he has taken a different route to get there. Playing for the first time in a non-George Karl offense, Lawson has become even more of a driver, and is getting to the line with a career-high frequency. He's kicking out more, as well, and his assist rate is a career best. The trade-off has been a lower shooting percentage and more turnovers. What hasn't changed is that Lawson is Denver's most valuable commodity.
Conley
10. Mike Conley | Memphis Grizzlies
TrueWARP: 9.7 | 2013-14 WARP: 3.8 | Overall rank: 23
Conley's offensive contribution is at a career peak. His WARP indicators are undermined by Memphis' precipitous drop on the defensive end. The Grizzlies have slipped from second to 24th on defense, with a drop from third to 21st in forcing turnovers. That's reflected directly in Conley's defensive rating. That might be unfair, but in a statistical sense you've got to penalize the players on the court even when the real culprit might be standing on the sidelines. (And that refers to Marc Gasol's absence as much as it does to first-time coach Dave Joerger.)
Next five: Goran Dragic, Phoenix Suns; Kemba Walker, Charlotte Bobcats; Michael Carter-Williams, Philadelphia 76ers; Derrick Rose, Chicago Bulls; Eric Bledsoe, Phoenix Suns.
Suns coach Jeff Hornacek has managed the minutes of his two best players -- both point guards -- so well, both Dragic and Bledsoe have played the majority of their minutes at point guard even though they share the floor much of the time. Dragic is the 2-guard in those lineups, but Hornacek has given him plenty of chances to run the show. Carter-Williams is a runaway pick for Rookie of the Year, and his emergence as a top-15 point guard statistically is especially impressive given the number of games he missed, and because his college translations weren't particularly favorable. As for Rose, my system still gives him some love from his former brilliance, but with each new injury, he slips farther and farther back into the pack.
Also notable: 16. Deron Williams, Brooklyn Nets; 17. Brandon Jennings, Detroit Pistons; 18. Jose Calderon, Dallas Mavericks; 19. Tony Parker, San Antonio Spurs; 20. Ricky Rubio, Minnesota Timberwolves; 21. Jrue Holiday, New Orleans Pelicans; 22. Mario Chalmers, Miami Heat; 23. George Hill, Indiana Pacers; 24. Jeff Teague, Atlanta Hawks; 25. Jeremy Lin, Houston Rockets; 26. Patrick Beverley, Houston Rockets.
Parker's No. 13 ranking was the most controversial of any player's rating from the summer series, so I don't expect many warm sentiments stemming from Parker's six-place tumble in the update. The summer ranking wasn't really that bad. As mentioned in the intro, with the NBA being so point guard-heavy, the 13th-ranked point guard is still a top-25 player overall. The earlier rankings were based on a forecast, and the ATH system decided Parker had reached an age when players like him begin to lose value. In the real world, would I have taken 12 point guards before Parker? No -- I watched the Finals just like everybody else.
Parker has done little to boost his rating so far this season. In fact, he currently ranks 81st in the league in 2013-14 WARP. Much of that is by design, and Parker's numbers will probably go up as we near the postseason. He's shooting the 3-ball at a career-best clip, but he's getting to the line less frequently than he has in 10 years. Perhaps because of that more passive approach, Parker's drive-and-kick game has not been as prolific, and his assist rate has dropped to its lowest level in a decade. His minutes are also down. Can he do more? Sure. Will he? Almost certainly. But we can only measure what he has done, not what he's capable of doing.
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It doesn't look too off to me, but you about to have some people in here with rustled jimmies with Kyrie at 7 and behind Wall
Lowry at 4 over Lillard/Wall/Kyrie was interesting also but they are all ballin this year.
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I personally have Curry at one but two was expected. No Tony Parker Lol
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I remember how many ppl was on him cuz of summer league ...gotta luv the summer league predictionsKelly
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I'm not even a huge Parker fan, but the guy really doesn't get the credit he deserves. Forever underappreciated.
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