2014 NBA Draft Thread

[bonafide hustla]

as I've explained multiple times, your position is who you can guard, he played PF/C in college and he defended poorly, why would it get better in the NBA?


how many 255 pound SF's do you know?

you're reaching. first 255 was his documented weight when he "tanked" the Cleveland workout. He played at about 240 all season. He's gonna be closer to 235. 2nd, he played out of position at Duke. How many PF/C do you see leading full court breaks, triple the threat-ing from anywhere on the court. Do your Bari homework a little more. He grew up playing 2/3 and that's where his strongest skillset a lies. (primary 3 in the NBA)

3rd "you are who you defend" concept is not literal. Dudes get hidden in defenses all the time. KDs defense was bad as a freshman. Melo's, Etc. and James Harden is a first team all NBA player.

 

[osh kosh bosh]

Melo is 240....

Pierce is 235...

Kiwi is 235...

It isn't possible for Bari to drop 10-15 LBs to fit that "frame".

he's been working out all summer, why would his weight just magically start decreasing? \

he's strongly incetivised to be in the best possible shape he's was 245 at the Wasserman workout and allegedly 255 at cavs workout, you look at his body type, I think it's unlikely to expect to loose a ton of weight.

Kawhi is 225, and Peirce is a PF now, Carmelo plays mostly PF now.

 

[osh kosh bosh]

you're reaching. first 255 was his documented weight when he "tanked" the Cleveland workout. He played at about 240 all season. He's gonna be closer to 235. 2nd, he played out of position at Duke. How many PF/C do you see leading full court breaks, triple the threat-ing from anywhere on the court. Do your Bari homework a little more. He grew up playing 2/3 and that's where his strongest skillset a lies. (primary 3 in the NBA)

3rd "you are who you defend" concept is not literal. Dudes get hidden in defenses all the time. KDs defense was bad as a freshman. Melo's, Etc. and James Harden is a first team all NBA player.

yeah I watched him plenty, in college, high school, international tournaments.

but you don't have to agree with me, The Bucks do, they said he's going to play PF.

 

[buc em]

You might be the only person on earth that thinks Jabari is a power forward. Duke just legit had not a damn thing at PF or C this year so he was forced to play and defend those positions last year.

 

[osh kosh bosh]

Pierce / Melo are SF playing in small ball line ups.

Pierce because Lopez got hurt.

Melo because of stat / Tyson.

They are playing that way because in the modern NBA you have to cover more ground as a perimeter player, and the big SF is less valuable than a quick PF who can shoot.


The Nets played way better with PP at PF, hence why Jason Kidd wanted to trade Brook, Melo and Peirce are playing there because that is there most effective positions at this point in there careers. and Bari is heavier than both of them.

 

[osh kosh bosh]

You might be the only person on earth that thinks Jabari is a power forward. Duke just legit had not a damn thing at PF or C this year so he was forced to play and defend those positions last year.

The Bucks do.

 

[sohi 23]

Jabari can play stretch 4 I don't see what the big deal is..

The Cavs wanting Wiggins to play the 2 is a lot more egregious imo.

 

[osh kosh bosh]

Jabari height weight, and wingspan, all line up with the avg NBA PF, he struggled to guard perimter players when he was switched on to them.


The real question is why does anyone think he can guard a SF?

 

[osh kosh bosh]

Jabari can play stretch 4 I don't see what the big deal is..

The Cavs wanting Wiggins to play the 2 is a lot more egregious imo.

the 2-3 are interchangeable. If you can shoot 3's and guard 2's you can play either spot.

 

[osh kosh bosh]

Cavs are Cavs, no point in questioning what they do.

So Bari can't guard a Parson, Hayward, Melo, P2, PG24 at the 3?

bbq chicken.

P2 and Peirce are 4's now.

 

[bonafide hustla]

even if the bucks play him at PF it'll be as a stretch PF and the only reason is because of the Greek Freak.

it's hard to believe that you were actually watching this guy because his mold looks completely like an elite scoring 3. Basically like Melo. You're sleeping on his athleticism also. its not off the charts but it's pretty deceptive and very effective. He can get shots off like no other based on his fast twitch on offense alone. crazy step backs, finishes in traffic, etc. I'm just sitting here truly wondering if you're reading off some random scouting report o

yeah I watched him plenty, in college, high school, international tournaments.

but you don't have to agree with me, The Bucks do, they said he's going to play PF.

KD plays PF, Melo does too. Harden plays 3 in some sets for the Rockets.... pick a player. Bari is going to be a long term SF who will be relied on to score much like Melo does in the NBA now. anything else you're alluding to is a reach imo.

 

[big j 33]

I'd put Jabari at the 4 right now.

Like OKB says, it's who you can guard... I'd be more comfortable putting him against 4s than 3s.

 

[osh kosh bosh]

even if the bucks play him at PF it'll be as a stretch PF and the only reason is because of the Greek Freak.

it's hard to believe that you were actually watching this guy because his mold looks completely like an elite scoring 3. Basically like Melo. You're sleeping on his athleticism also. its not off the charts but it's pretty deceptive and very effective. He can get shots off like no other based on his fast twitch on offense alone. crazy step backs, finishes in traffic, etc. I'm just sitting here truly wondering if you're reading off some random scouting report o
KD plays PF, Melo does too. Harden plays 3 in some sets for the Rockets.... pick a player. Bari is going to be a long term SF who will be relied on to score much like Melo does in the NBA now. anything else you're alluding to is a reach imo.

Your position is primarily about who you can defend, If you can't defend the perimiter you are a 4.

all the stuff about his offensive game you keep posting is besides the point.

 

[mgrand15]

even if the bucks play him at PF it'll be as a stretch PF and the only reason is because of the Greek Freak.

it's hard to believe that you were actually watching this guy because his mold looks completely like an elite scoring 3. Basically like Melo. You're sleeping on his athleticism also. its not off the charts but it's pretty deceptive and very effective. He can get shots off like no other based on his fast twitch on offense alone. crazy step backs, finishes in traffic, etc. I'm just sitting here truly wondering if you're reading off some random scouting report o
KD plays PF, Melo does too. Harden plays 3 in some sets for the Rockets.... pick a player. Bari is going to be a long term SF who will be relied on to score much like Melo does in the NBA now. anything else you're alluding to is a reach imo.

He's not saying that he's going to be a traditional back to the basket, block shots, and grab 10 boards a game PF. All you're talking about is offense and all Osh is talking about is defense. Read what he's saying.

Jabari is big enough to play PF on defense and struggles to guard the perimeter. Having someone at PF with elite scoring SF skills is a HUGE luxury. Pierce just did it with the Nets. I saw it all year. Melo did it when the Knicks were the 3rd best team in the East. Calling Jabari a PF is just a fact - it's not a diss. It makes no sense to make him guard 3s especially when Giannis is on the team.

 

[bonafide hustla]

Your position is primarily about who you can defend, If you can't defend the perimiter you are a 4.

all the stuff about his offensive game you keep posting is besides the point.

is jabari (on defense) worse than Melo was defending on the perimeter? KD? i never got an acknowledgement of that, so I'm wondering your thoughts on their defensive transition in the nba. and James Harden. I've just picked the 3 easiest/popular guys i could think of off top

 

[osh kosh bosh]

is jabari (on defense) worse than Melo was defending on the perimeter? KD? i never got an acknowledgement of that, so I'm wondering your thoughts on their defensive transition in the nba. and James Harden. I've just picked the 3 easiest/popular guys i could think of off top

melo is playing 4 now.

Harden is a perimeter player in terms of size, you have no choice but to play him on the perimeter.

 

[trynafeelmink]

Why in the Hell wouldn't he be able to defend 3's? Outside of the Durant, Melo, Bron, PG Mold (Who honestly nobody really defends well 1 on 1). Your acting as if he's some slow footed overweight player, He has the size, length and athleticism to guard threes does he have the willingness is a whole other question.

 

[bonafide hustla]

He's not saying that he's going to be a traditional back to the basket, block shots, and grab 10 boards a game PF. All you're talking about is offense and all Osh is talking about is defense. Read what he's saying.

Jabari is big enough to play PF on defense and struggles to guard the perimeter. Having someone at PF with elite scoring SF skills is a HUGE luxury. Pierce just did it with the Nets. I saw it all year. Melo did it when the Knicks were the 3rd best team in the East. Calling Jabari a PF is just a fact - it's not a diss. It makes no sense to make him guard 3s especially when Giannis is on the team.

lol, that nullifies the whole point. if he's not talking about a traditional PF, then who the hell cares? That's like saying he's gonna be listed as PF, but play SF. Why list the negatives as they relate to playing TRADITIONAL PF if he's not gonna play traditional PF.

His statement was:

average sized PF, with average athleticism, tough to find many many top 10 players who aren't either elite athletes or have elite size for position.


what does size matter at PF if you're not playing traditional PF? He's gonna be SF tha scores, regardless of where you put him on the court on offense, and he's gonna guard 3s, regardless of what position you call him on defense.

 

[osh kosh bosh]

Why in the Hell wouldn't he be able to defend 3's? Outside of the Durant, Melo, Bron, PG Mold (Who honestly nobody really defends well 1 on 1). Your acting as if he's some slow footed overweight player, He has the size, length and athleticism to guard threes does he have the willingness is a whole other question.

he is a slow footed, over weight player, who lacks the quickness, and discipline to defend on the perimeter.

lol, that nullifies the whole point. if he's not talking about a traditional PF, then who the hell cares? That's like saying he's gonna be listed as PF, but play SF. Why list the negatives as they relate to playing TRADITIONAL PF if he's not gonna play traditional PF.

His statement was:

average sized PF, with average athleticism, tough to find many many top 10 players who aren't either elite athletes or have elite size for position.


what does size matter at PF if you're not playing traditional PF? He's gonna be SF tha scores, regardless of where you put him on the court on offense, and he's gonna guard 3s, regardless of what position you call him on defense.

it means you have to have someone who can defend sf's in the lineup, it means that he won't have a size advantage or athleticism advantage over the players that will be defending him.


Lebron James has the size advantage on any SF but that would be completely muted if he was constantly getting burned by SF's.

 

[bonafide hustla]

melo is playing 4 now.

Harden is a perimeter player in terms of size, you have no choice but to play him on the perimeter.

he's 6-5 225 and absolutely guards 3s. he guards wherever the Rockets hide him. You failed to explain why jabari can't do the same. Considering 2s are a lot more active on the perimeter than 3s....why can't jabari be in the game assigned, defensively, to a 3?

also, you never responded about KD's defensive progression. or Melo before he played PF. you skipped straight to now, and my basis of comparison was all of those guys coming out of their freshman year.

(except harden, his defense got worse when he was asked to be an offensive star)

 

[bonafide hustla]

he is a slow footed, over weight player, who lacks the quickness, and discipline to defend on the perimeter.
it means you have to have someone who can defend sf's in the lineup, it means that he won't have a size advantage or athleticism advantage over the players that will be defending him.


Lebron James has the size advantage on any SF but that would be completely muted if he was constantly getting burned by SF's.

he will give any big agility work and give any guard work on the block...same formula for the guys aforementioned. on defense, he will be hidden until he figures it out, like the aforementioned. you again sound like you've never watched jabari play.


I can't remember, but you aren't the canadian liason dude for NT are you? if so, this is all making more sense.

 

[osh kosh bosh]

he's 6-5 225 and absolutely guards 3s. he guards wherever the Rockets hide him. You failed to explain why jabari can't do the same. Considering 2s are a lot more active on the perimeter than 3s....why can't jabari guard a 3?

also, you never responded about KD's defensive progression. or Melo before he played PF. you skipped straight to now, and my basis of comparison was all of those guys coming out of their freshman year.

(except harden, his defense got worse when he was asked to be an offensive star)

1. Harden is not guarding 4's, 2-3's are interchangeable

2. Melo has been a poor defender, but was 20 pounds lighter than Jabari, KD, again lighter than Jabari and an excellent athlete you had some reason to believe that they had a chance to play 3.

 

[bonafide hustla]

^you said KD was an excellent athlete. I went to Texas with him at the same time, am a huge fan, and I laughed out loud at that. w/e though, you got your mind made up. league pass here i come

 

[osh kosh bosh]

Look I'm not going to go on and on with this.


The Bucks have him at 4, Chad Ford reported that most teams in the lottery have him as a 4, so disagree with me and the rest of the NBA if you want.

You are who you can guard, imo he can't guard the perimeter, you guys think he can, agree to disagree.

 

[bonafide hustla]

one last time, its not about what he's listed at. its about how he's used. on both sides of the ball. won't be hard for the bucks to figure out, there have been multiple guys with similar molds (on both sides of the ball) who have come into the league and turned into stars. the blueprint for how to utilize him is out there. and it's not primarily as a PF on the block...defensively or offensively