2014 NBA Draft Thread

[durantula]

 
Not trying to sound butt hurt, but how can you judge the Kings off just one year of their new structure and management?

you cant.... although they did trade for rudy gay....

all in on malone tho, he is a good coach

Rudy had a pretty good year once he was traded to the Kings.

Very true. The kid is special, but right now, wiggins>embid. Potential wise wiggins>embid. If healthy embid is damn near a sure thing for a few DPOYS. But wiggins has the potential to be a top 3 player in 3-5 years time, embid has a lot of work to do offensively.

IDK how much Embiid you've seen but I think you're misjudging him. His offensive game is actually really, really polished. He didn't score more because he was being double teamed every time he touched it. His footwork and touch is really really good. He has post moves, counter moves - he draws fouls. He can shoot short jumpers. The only work he has to do is in the weight room.

If this guy can stay healthy and bulk up enough to back down centers in the league - he's a game changer on both ends of the floor. Athletic and skilled enough to dominate in the post, protect the rim and play in this smallball/PnR era of the NBA.

The kid dropped 11 and 8. 11 ppg shows that his offensive game isnt "really, really polished." He was getting doubled in college, and will be getting doubled twice as hard in the pros. His offensive game has had its moments. But 11 ppg when youre the focal point of the offense is unacceptable. Wiggins and parker are damn near sure things who will make an impact from day 1, while embiid is looking at least 3 years to become a game changer.

Embiid was the focal point of KU's offense? When? Are we forgetting about Wiggins, Ellis, and Selden who averaged double figure points as well?

Did you watch kansas games? They had wiggins looking like a role player while swinging the ball on the perimeter so they could get it to embiid in the post.

If I didn't watch Kansas play on a regular basis I wouldn't have been able to tell that they had multiple players average double figures. Their offense wasn't centered around Embiid, their offense allowed multiple players to get involved in the offense. Embiid never took more than 9 shot attempts in any game this season. How is that the focal point of an offense?

Their whole offense revolved around getting him the ball in the post. The kids best game was 18 and 8. His defense is guaranteed if healthy, but his offense is a major project. To take him over wiggins or parker is a huge/unneccessary risk

 

[hoosierdaddy317]

Recent years like Anthony Davis, Demarcus cousins and Andre Drummond?

Obviously outside of AD, Cousins, and Drummond. Dudes like T Rob, Oden, Bennett (too soon?), Williams, Kanter, Thabeet, etc. Obviously they're not SAD but I think that a #1 player should make an immediate impact. Hell, ya never know he might be able to do just that but idk man

 

[hoosierdaddy317]

 

 

 

 
Not trying to sound butt hurt, but how can you judge the Kings off just one year of their new structure and management?

you cant.... although they did trade for rudy gay....

all in on malone tho, he is a good coach

Rudy had a pretty good year once he was traded to the Kings.
 

 

 

 

 

Very true. The kid is special, but right now, wiggins>embid. Potential wise wiggins>embid. If healthy embid is damn near a sure thing for a few DPOYS. But wiggins has the potential to be a top 3 player in 3-5 years time, embid has a lot of work to do offensively.

IDK how much Embiid you've seen but I think you're misjudging him. His offensive game is actually really, really polished. He didn't score more because he was being double teamed every time he touched it. His footwork and touch is really really good. He has post moves, counter moves - he draws fouls. He can shoot short jumpers. The only work he has to do is in the weight room.

If this guy can stay healthy and bulk up enough to back down centers in the league - he's a game changer on both ends of the floor. Athletic and skilled enough to dominate in the post, protect the rim and play in this smallball/PnR era of the NBA.

The kid dropped 11 and 8. 11 ppg shows that his offensive game isnt "really, really polished." He was getting doubled in college, and will be getting doubled twice as hard in the pros. His offensive game has had its moments. But 11 ppg when youre the focal point of the offense is unacceptable. Wiggins and parker are damn near sure things who will make an impact from day 1, while embiid is looking at least 3 years to become a game changer.

Embiid was the focal point of KU's offense? When? Are we forgetting about Wiggins, Ellis, and Selden who averaged double figure points as well?

Did you watch kansas games? They had wiggins looking like a role player while swinging the ball on the perimeter so they could get it to embiid in the post.

If I didn't watch Kansas play on a regular basis I wouldn't have been able to tell that they had multiple players average double figures. Their offense wasn't centered around Embiid, their offense allowed multiple players to get involved in the offense. Embiid never took more than 9 shot attempts in any game this season. How is that the focal point of an offense?

Their whole offense revolved around getting him the ball in the post. The kids best game was 18 and 8. His defense is guaranteed if healthy, but his offense is a major project. To take him over wiggins or parker is a huge/unneccessary risk

See I knew I wasn't the only one who sees what I'm seeing

 

[durantula]

Recent years like Anthony Davis, Demarcus cousins and Andre Drummond?

Or derrick favors, enes kenter, thabeet, and trob

 

[osh kosh bosh]

Their whole offense revolved around getting him the ball in the post. The kids best game was 18 and 8. His defense is guaranteed if healthy, but his offense is a major project. To take him over wiggins or parker is a huge/unneccessary risk

not really, it revolved around getting the ball to a big, Perry Ellis or Tarik Blak.

Not to embiid specifically.


plus you are forgetting his rate of development, no one thought he was going to be an offensive force at the begning of the seaosn.

 

[herbshuttles15]

Recent years like Anthony Davis, Demarcus cousins and Andre Drummond?

Or derrick favors, enes kenter, thabeet, and trob

Favors is putting 13 & 8
Kanter 12 & 7

Both are still developing

 

[addict4sneakers]

It's too early to call kanter a bust. He just turned 22 and put up 12/8 last season.

Now thabeet on the other hand

 

[captainsneakerhead23]

I agree, I was just saying there's a reason why he didn't have to score so much on the offensive end at KU, it wasn't expected of him.

I would take Wiggins at 1 followed by Embiid at 2.

 

[pmatic]

Kanter's problem is he just can't defend.

 

[ballinsam23]

or get any consistent playing time. I've lost hope in Favors though. Solid player though, Kanter I still believe in

 

[herbshuttles15]

Utah has always developed players well actually.

 

[durantula]

Their whole offense revolved around getting him the ball in the post. The kids best game was 18 and 8. His defense is guaranteed if healthy, but his offense is a major project. To take him over wiggins or parker is a huge/unneccessary risk

not really, it revolved around getting the ball to a big, Perry Ellis or Tarik Blak.

Not to embiid specifically.


plus you are forgetting his rate of development, no one thought he was going to be an offensive force at the begning of the seaosn.

And he wasnt an offensive force lol. If youre taking him over wiggy or parker, youre taking a huge and unnecessary risk.

 

[fourtyeight48]

Cant believe dude compard Embiid to Thomas Robinson in the NBA thread

Cavs should take Wiggins. You can't risk taking Embiid and then he turns into Bowie/Oden while Wiggins becomes the next best thing. Not saying this will happen but we've seen this story far too many times.

Stay in school son. Nobody in this thread ever compared TRob to Embiid. Read.

Thomas Robinson lol

Where so you see that?

Kill yourself. Now. Hurry up before the Heat and Pacers game start.

 

[buc em]

That Kansas offense was an ugly sight to watch last year for two "future superstars" to be playing together on.

 

[friscostylez]

Or derrick favors, enes kenter, thabeet, and trob

you guys can play this game with any position

 

[HEATHEN]

Embiid is gon be a kwame brown level bust

Quote me

you cray cray.

 

[kevi]

anyone who watch kansas this year knew that you couldnt really make a good prediction of the player wiggins or embiid will be at the nba level in that Kansas offense, It was discussed all season in the college basketball thread.We do know that their defense is on point

 

[captainsneakerhead23]

Cant believe dude compard Embiid to Thomas Robinson in the NBA thread

Cavs should take Wiggins. You can't risk taking Embiid and then he turns into Bowie/Oden while Wiggins becomes the next best thing. Not saying this will happen but we've seen this story far too many times.

Stay in school son. Nobody in this thread ever compared TRob to Embiid. Read.

Thomas Robinson lol

Where so you see that?

Kill yourself. Now. Hurry up before the Heat and Pacers game start.

How bout you go play in traffic first, youngin. If you actually read what I wrote instead of poppin off at the mouth like a wannabe tough guy, I clearly said "NBA THREAD" .. Did you say that in the NBA thread? Nope, I didnt think so. Therefore my comment wasn't directed towards you, if it was I would've quoted you. So please miss me with the BS.

 

[osh kosh bosh]

And he wasnt an offensive force lol. If youre taking him over wiggy or parker, youre taking a huge and unnecessary risk.

regardless of what you think of his offense, its not a huge risk.

there are two sides of the court.

and protecting the rim is a perquisite for winning a chip.


Jabari is way to much of a disaster on defense, IMO its an unnecessary risk to assume either Bari or Kyrie will ever be average.

 

[durantula]

Or derrick favors, enes kenter, thabeet, and trob

you guys can play this game with any position

Not really, its rare for wing players taken at the top of a draft (top 2-3) to bust. Big men is damn near 50%, maybe higher.

 

[durantula]

And he wasnt an offensive force lol. If youre taking him over wiggy or parker, youre taking a huge and unnecessary risk.

regardless of what you think of his offense, its not a huge risk.

there are two sides of the court.

and protecting the rim is a perquisite for winning a chip.


Jabari is way to much of a disaster on defense, IMO its an unnecessary risk to assume either Bari or Kyrie will ever be average.

Nobodys talking about bari or kyries defense, in the cavs position, itd be dumb to go bari over wiggy. Its a huge risk to take a 7 foot defensive player whos only been playing basketball for 2 years over 2 of the best talents the draft has seen in the last 10 years.

 

[friscostylez]

Not really, its rare for wing players taken at the top of a draft (top 2-3) to bust. Big men is damn near 50%, maybe higher.

what is your definition of bust? and the majority of players taken 1-3 are bigs but to play your game, adam morrison, marvin williams, d. miles

 

[durantula]

Not really, its rare for wing players taken at the top of a draft (top 2-3) to bust. Big men is damn near 50%, maybe higher.

what is your definition of bust? and the majority of players taken 1-3 are bigs but to play your game, adam morrison, marvin williams, d. miles

You went all the way back to 2000

And i didnt say it didnt happen, just that it was very rare. For those 2 names you mentioned I can bring up countless names who went on to be great. With bigs, not so much.

 

[eyedea]

blake griffin, dwight, yao, ant davis, shaq, duncan, the admiral, c webb, hakeem, patrick chewing

of course you have bargz, odenz, olowokandiz, and kwamez too

 

[friscostylez]

i was just looking at the drafts from 2000-2009 since those who were drafted from 2010-2013 still have potential to turn things around (potter, mkg, evan turner) but there aren't many wings that were drafted in the top 3 so i don't know what to tell you. i don't know what your definition of bust, if you gave me it, i can definitely list more players such as Ben Gordon, OJ Mayo, mike dunn