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[lawdog1]

phil has always been so effortless in his greatness

pop had to make up that stupid be rude to reporters gimmick because without that no one would pay any attention to the spurs 

Yeah, not sure I agree with that. Phil seems to try pretty hard to make people think he's smarter than he actually is. I've noticed over the years that he's pretty good at throwing out a lot of big words, but not using them quite right.

Don't get me wrong, he is smart and probably the best coach of all time. But I definitely think he believes he's smarter than he is.

 

[HIM]

Phil is in a lonely stratosphere. He is so ridiculously great, he's underrated even being called the best.  

Come on, man. 

 

[CP1708]

Phil is in a lonely stratosphere. He is so ridiculously great, he's underrated even being called the best. 

Come on, man. 

It's true. People try to skip over him out of boredom or something. His record is so insane, they pretend he doesn't exist to pick the next name. Pop, Riley, Red, etc.

 

[Kaleo15]

3 of Pop's titles came while Phil wasn't coaching. 99, 05, 14.

Phil beat Pop 4 outta 5 times. The one Pop win came after the Lakers reached 3 consecutive Finals.

Phil:
91 title
92 title
93 title
94 lost
95 lost
96 title
97 title
98 title
00 title
01 title
02 title
03 lost
04 lost Finals
06 lost
07 lost
08 lost Finals
09 title
10 title
11 lost

13 Finals in 19 seasons, 11 titles, 3 3-peats + 1 repeat. Swept once, his final series, coming off 3 straight Finals runs. Went to 3 straight Finals FOUR times in 19 years.

Numbers you will never see again from any other coach.

The 2nd best coach you can name, coaching multiple HOFers together for over a decade has zero repeats, ever. Only reached back to back Finals 1 time. And been swept multiple times. Not off multiple Finals runs.

Phil dealt with nut job physcopath primma Donna's, players gambling all night, retiring, rape cases, bickering, bad FO's, and huge market media frenzy's.

Pop dealt with entire teams taking paycuts and opting out for lesser contracts in a ZERO market.

It's really not even close. Pop just the more well liked narrative.

Well damn CP.... you didn't have to do them like that!

Case closed! The Zen Master >>>>>> Gregory

 

[antidope]

Phil Jackson is absolutely a pseudo intellectual. Its funny watching this dude talk as if he's just enlightening everyone around him.

 

[darthska]

[quote name="CP1708"]Pop is a GREAT coach. Absolutely GREAT.

But Phil is in a lonely stratosphere. He is so ridiculously great, he's underrated even being called the best. He consistently got clutch plays from his role guys, let them get thru runs on their own, always adjusted game to game to exploit you, managed minutes perfectly. He just obliterates all other coaches with his ridiculous track record.[/quote]/discussion

That's the only type of opinion I can take seriously on the matter, tbh.

Anyone who says Pop is buns, I can't get with that.

Anyone who says Phil is garbage and was just lucky to have MJ, Pip, Kobe, Shaq, Gasol, I can't get with that.

Pop is phenomenal, and definitely belongs near the top of any conversation of all-time great coaches.

But Phil IS the top.

 

[Mr.Guy]

/discussion

That's the only type of opinion I can take seriously on the matter, tbh.

Anyone who says Pap is buns, I can't get with that.

Anyone who says Phil is garbage and was just lucky to have MJ, Pip, Kobe, Shaq, Gasol, I can't get with that.

Pop is phenomenal, and definitely belongs at the very top of any conversation of all-time great coaches.

But Phil IS the top.

True

 

[mister friendly]

I'm not a fan of the ring argument with Pop and Phil. It's a flawed and narrow minded way to look at an ability to coach. There's different cards being dealt to each person. Who was able to get more out each individual under different circumstances they were dealt is the question. Phil was dealt with alot of players that were going to be great with or without Phil IMO. Jordan, Shaq, Kobe, maybe Pippen. How much that was Jordan making him better or Phil who knows.

Pop had Duncan and thats pretty much it when it comes to someone who was gonna be great regardless. There likely is no Parker as we know him without Pop. Same with Manu. Same with Kawhi. Pop scouts these players from all around the globe, coaches them up and develops them. To recognize potential and know how to develop it is some serious friggin coaching ability. I watched a Spurs bench of these handpicked international players slaughter Miami's starters. A team that was on the verge of being a dyantasy in the Finals. I never saw anything like it. They had no answer for a Patty Mills lol. Not Jordan, Pippen, Shaq, Kobe.

Of course when you have Michael Jordan and Shaq happily flying to LA to join you and Kobe you're gonna win alot lol. That doesnt mean you're a better coach. I definitely tend to think what I just said about Pop that there was a whole lot more coaching going on.

Yep

Phil is great coach but he's been incredibly fortunate in terms of having talented players to coach.

 

[sea manup]

People think beating a lefraud led Miami team in the Finals is impressive?

We giving props for beating a guy who is best known for losing in the finals now?

 

[pmatic]

Oops. Wrong thread.

 

[hoopcoach]

Did MJ or Shaq win a ring before Phil coached them ..no they didnt..just saying

 

[darthska]

[quote name="sea manup"]People think beating a lefraud led Miami team in the Finals is impressive?

We giving props for beating a guy who is best known for losing in the finals now?[/quote]Yes.

Mostly because it's not like the season just ended and they played the Heatles.

There was a bracket that year, like every year.

Other Western teams could have played that Miami team, but the Spurs came out of the bracket on that side.

And Miami on the other side.

Maybe if Pop has a choice, he would have chosen the 96 Bulls, or maybe even the Eastern All Stars.

That's not how it works, though. He played who the bracket gave him.

 

[Clyde Frog]

3 of Pop's titles came while Phil wasn't coaching. 99, 05, 14.

Phil beat Pop 4 outta 5 times. The one Pop win came after the Lakers reached 3 consecutive Finals.

Phil:
91 title
92 title
93 title
94 lost
95 lost
96 title
97 title
98 title
00 title
01 title
02 title
03 lost
04 lost Finals
06 lost
07 lost
08 lost Finals
09 title
10 title
11 lost

13 Finals in 19 seasons, 11 titles, 3 3-peats + 1 repeat. Swept once, his final series, coming off 3 straight Finals runs. Went to 3 straight Finals FOUR times in 19 years.

Numbers you will never see again from any other coach.

The 2nd best coach you can name, coaching multiple HOFers together for over a decade has zero repeats, ever. Only reached back to back Finals 1 time. And been swept multiple times. Not off multiple Finals runs.

Phil dealt with nut job physcopath primma Donna's, players gambling all night, retiring, rape cases, bickering, bad FO's, and huge market media frenzy's.

Pop dealt with entire teams taking paycuts and opting out for lesser contracts in a ZERO market.

It's really not even close. Pop just the more well liked narrative.

Personally I think there's a difference between greatness and talent/ability. If we don't agree on that then we wont agree on this.

It's actually why i've agreed with your views on quarterbacks. Like Pop and Phil each QB is dealt with different cards. Just because you're the most talented QB doesn't mean you'll win the most championships. With my stance on there being a difference between greatness and talent I would never argue against Phil being "greater" than Pop. But I do think Pop has a better ability to coach.

 

[mister friendly]

Did Lebron win a ring before Spolestra coached him..no he didn't.

Did Hakeem win a ring before Rudy coached him..no he didn't.

Did KG win a ring before Doc coached him..no he didn't.

Did Dirk win a ring before Rick coached him..no he didn't.

 

[darthska]

^ Those relationships were symbiotic, though.

Doc, Rudy, Spo, Rick... no championships without Garnett, Hakeem, James, Dirk.

Phil won without Mike. Sure it was with Kobe and Shaq, but still, that's not Mike. And he won without Shaq and Kobe, with Kobe and Pau.

 

[pmatic]

Where does Pop's influences come into the discussion? Emphasis on corner threes (offense and defense), resting players, international scouting, etc.

 

[thirdtimearound]

Where does Pop's influences come into the discussion? Emphasis on corner threes (offense and defense), resting players, international scouting, etc.

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[mister friendly]

Did Bob Petit win a ring before Alex Hannum coached him..no he didn't.

Did Wilt Chamberlain win a ring before Alex Hannum coached him..no he didn't.

Did Rick Barry win a ring before Alex Hannum coached him..no he didn't.

 

[CP1708]

3 of Pop's titles came while Phil wasn't coaching. 99, 05, 14.

Phil beat Pop 4 outta 5 times. The one Pop win came after the Lakers reached 3 consecutive Finals.

Phil:
91 title
92 title
93 title
94 lost
95 lost
96 title
97 title
98 title
00 title
01 title
02 title
03 lost
04 lost Finals
06 lost
07 lost
08 lost Finals
09 title
10 title
11 lost

13 Finals in 19 seasons, 11 titles, 3 3-peats + 1 repeat. Swept once, his final series, coming off 3 straight Finals runs. Went to 3 straight Finals FOUR times in 19 years.

Numbers you will never see again from any other coach.

The 2nd best coach you can name, coaching multiple HOFers together for over a decade has zero repeats, ever. Only reached back to back Finals 1 time. And been swept multiple times. Not off multiple Finals runs.

Phil dealt with nut job physcopath primma Donna's, players gambling all night, retiring, rape cases, bickering, bad FO's, and huge market media frenzy's.

Pop dealt with entire teams taking paycuts and opting out for lesser contracts in a ZERO market.

It's really not even close. Pop just the more well liked narrative.

Personally I think there's a difference between greatness and talent/ability. If we don't agree on that then we wont agree on this.

It's actually why i've agreed with your views on quarterbacks. Like Pop and Phil each QB is dealt with different cards. Just because you're the most talented QB doesn't mean you'll win the most championships. With my stance on there being a difference between greatness and talent I would never argue against Phil being "greater" than Pop. But I do think Pop has a better ability to coach.

Certainly interesting to dig into. But I'm not sure how we'd be able to dissect it, ya know?

 

[CP1708]

Where does Pop's influences come into the discussion? Emphasis on corner threes (offense and defense), resting players, international scouting, etc.

Resting players is meaningless. He been doin it since like 08-09, only one year did it lead to the prize.

And he adopted his offense from MDA.

But scouting and D, he surely deserves credit for those influences. 100%.

 

[noblekane]

Do bees do has had it

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also with phil being the best coach ever you cannot forget who is number 2 and if you are a celtic fan you should be ashamed for not mentioning this but red auerbach is number 2 goat

i hate the celtics and red is a hater hating on phil all the time but he no doubt is number 2

 

[mr jordan04]

Charles asking the rockets to tweet him again tonight

 

[pmatic]

Where does Pop's influences come into the discussion? Emphasis on corner threes (offense and defense), resting players, international scouting, etc.

Resting players is meaningless. He been doin it since like 08-09, only one year did it lead to the prize.

And he adopted his offense from MDA.

But scouting and D, he surely deserves credit for those influences. 100%.

Pretty sure Bowen was relevant before D'Antoni.

 

[mister friendly]

Red never won without Bill.

After Red retired Bill played and coached the team and still won rings.

 

[CP1708]

Where does Pop's influences come into the discussion? Emphasis on corner threes (offense and defense), resting players, international scouting, etc.

Resting players is meaningless. He been doin it since like 08-09, only one year did it lead to the prize.

And he adopted his offense from MDA.

But scouting and D, he surely deserves credit for those influences. 100%.

Pretty sure Bowen was relevant before D'Antoni.

Huh? I'm not following.