2017 NBA FINALS THREAD. PART III

Who Will Win the 2017 NBA Finals?

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junglejim said:
I think people are mainly saying that if you lose before the finals, you still lost.

When you say the record out loud yeah it sounds worse and it will always be a knock against him, but it is kind of dumb.

But on the flip side people use how many times he has been to the finals as an indicator of greatness.  

In the end though, its better to lose in the finals than earlier.  At least at that point you can get there an have a shot at winning the whole thing.  Nobody outside of a few hopeful cavs fans had the Cavs winning last year.  The opportunity to have the chance is always greater than the opportunity to not.
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Sorry but it doesn't or hasn't worked like that. Especially in Bron's case where everybody recognizes the talent gap within his own conference. It's akin to Magic in the 80s somewhat. He wasn't elevated cause he went to 9 finals in 12 seasons, it's cause he won 5 by beating some all time great talent from the superior conference. We just can't willy nilly change everything for LeBron.
 
I agree that not making it to the finals is worse than making it and losing...but that argument of "lebrons been to the finals 8 years in a row" is null when you look at the finals record. The 8 year streak isn't even a factor in the debate of why he's one of the GOATS. Rings debate is damn near invalid because you got Robert Horry with 7 rings. Stats we all know how lebron gets down with those so thats void. What do you have left?
 
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Sorry but it doesn't or hasn't worked like that. Especially in Bron's case where everybody recognizes the talent gap within his own conference. It's akin to Magic in the 80s somewhat. He wasn't elevated cause he went to 9 finals in 12 seasons, it's cause he won 5 by beating some all time great talent from the superior conference. We just can't willy nilly change everything for LeBron.
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I dont even understand what argument you are trying to make right now.  Are you trying to imply that Lebron never beat any great teams?  He still beat San Antonio, a Warriors team who had won more games than another other team in NBA history.

Finals appearances have always been used as a pro and a knock for lebron, but at the end of the day, it is always better to make the finals than to not.  If the Cavs don't pull off game 7 vs. the Pacers then they dont even have a shot at a title vs. the Spurs and only walk away with two.  Same thing with the Celtics in game 7, they lose both of them and they go from having 3 titles to having 1.  It may sounds better on paper to have lose prior to the finals, but its not like the dude can foresee which finals he is going to win and which ones he is going to lose in.  You never know how the ball is going to bounce and having the opportunity for it to bounce your way is always greater than to not have the chance.  
 
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junglejim said:
I dont even understand what argument you are trying to make right now.  Are you trying to imply that Lebron never beat any great teams?  He still beat San Antonio, a Warriors team who had won more games than another other team in NBA history.

Finals appearances have always been used as a pro and a knock for lebron, but at the end of the day, it is always better to make the finals than to not.  If the Cavs don't pull off game 7 vs. the Pacers then they dont even have a shot at a title vs. the Spurs and only walk away with two.  Same thing with the Celtics in game 7, they lose both of them and they go from having 3 titles to having 1.  It may sounds better on paper to have lose prior to the finals, but its not like the dude can foresee which finals he is going to win and which ones he is going to lose in.  You never know how the ball is going to bounce and having the opportunity for it to bounce your way is always greater than to not have the chance.  
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It was making a comparison to how the talent disparity in the 80s West vs 80s East and the 10s East vs 10s West.

Of course Bron wants to make the Finals as many times as possible, but he himself also recognizes what losing on that stage means to your legacy in the macro sense. But for some reason only with him is just getting there seemingly on par with winning even though EVERYONE knows he has but far the best talent in the conference.
 
Bron beat them in 12 when they were older but he also needed a superteam to do so.
 
lebron get a free pass to the finals every year doh you can't tell me Duncan or Kobe got free passes ....put Kobe or Duncan in the east and they are going to the finals at the same rate lebron has
 
this will not end for LeCrip and the Calfs...

I can see them going down 30+ at halftime in Game 3.

Lebron feigns an injury word to A.C.-Gate in San Antoinio and sits the second half.

Lebron wears Derrick Rose's playoff uniform for game 4.
 
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