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In all fairness those drafts were some of the deepest running back classes ever. Not all drafts are like that. For every phillip lindsay or jordan Howard, there are 5 Joe Williams that flame out after a year
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In all fairness those drafts were some of the deepest running back classes ever. Not all drafts are like that. For every phillip lindsay or jordan Howard, there are 5 Joe Williams that flame out after a year
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all i know is every Sunday i have to listen to Giants fans ***** about the OL (for the last three years, at least). but hey, take that RB!
or trade back, grab an extra pick, and an OL
or trade back, grab an extra pick, and an OL
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We can play ridiculous hypotheticals all day long lol
The cowboys need secondary help and a better QB for the long term, what if they traded up to take wentz or goff, or just drafted Ramsey instead of zeke how good would they be?
The panthers desperately need a #1 corner, they should've taken lattimore over CMC!
Rams don't even need gurley, they could've waited and taken Ajayi in the 5th and been perfectly fine
so dumb man
The cowboys need secondary help and a better QB for the long term, what if they traded up to take wentz or goff, or just drafted Ramsey instead of zeke how good would they be?
The panthers desperately need a #1 corner, they should've taken lattimore over CMC!
Rams don't even need gurley, they could've waited and taken Ajayi in the 5th and been perfectly fine
so dumb man
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#GenerationalTalent tho
We can play ridiculous hypotheticals all day long lol
The cowboys need secondary help and a better QB for the long term, what if they traded up to take wentz or goff, or just drafted Ramsey instead of zeke how good would they be?
The panthers desperately need a #1 corner, they should've taken lattimore over CMC!
Rams don't even need gurley, they could've waited and taken Ajayi in the 5th and been perfectly fine
so dumb man
The Jets needed a QB last year. Could have had Mahomes or Watson. Instead went safeties b2b rounds to open up their draft.
There will always be the narrative that "yea but both QB's wouldn't succeed in NY because of coaching" and while that is likely true, one of them should have been taken over Jamal Adams. And I LOVE Adams.
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Yea.. agreed.. I wouldnt bank on 3rd or later landing
But 2nd and 3rd have been solid for finding very good TBs.. chubb being the latest one
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It's a gamble at every position.
In this years draft the Jets and maybe the Cards also spent high picks on QB's with huge red flags outta desperation and they might be stuck with them for years and years going nowhwere. Matthew Stafford is a super talented QB and he hasn't done anything to help the Lions franchise. The Dolphins reached for Tannehill and what has he done?
In this years draft the Jets and maybe the Cards also spent high picks on QB's with huge red flags outta desperation and they might be stuck with them for years and years going nowhwere. Matthew Stafford is a super talented QB and he hasn't done anything to help the Lions franchise. The Dolphins reached for Tannehill and what has he done?
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Three (3) 1,000 yard rushers in this decade for the jets.
When your own team can't support the narrative that you (
nick.
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Three (3) 1,000 yard rushers in this decade for the jets.
When your own team can't support the narrative that you (
Oh I'm not arguing for or against a first-round RB. I'm just saying whenever you get @ a Giants fan for taking Barkley (for arguments sake), that is their go-to line.
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The Bears will more than likely come to a mutual decision with J Howard to go separate ways this off season.
He just doesn't fit with Nagys system and Cohen is having a great year doing the things Nagy likes to do. Getting Cohen the ball in the open field with a LB on him.
I wonder if the Bears can get a 4th - 5th for Howard (he was a 5th) and then draft another back in the 3rd round.
I wonder what the market would be for Howard. He's improved his pass catching skills this year but he's not that back. He's more of a traditional ground and pound RB.
With the way the league is going now, what team would he be a fit with?
He just doesn't fit with Nagys system and Cohen is having a great year doing the things Nagy likes to do. Getting Cohen the ball in the open field with a LB on him.
I wonder if the Bears can get a 4th - 5th for Howard (he was a 5th) and then draft another back in the 3rd round.
I wonder what the market would be for Howard. He's improved his pass catching skills this year but he's not that back. He's more of a traditional ground and pound RB.
With the way the league is going now, what team would he be a fit with?
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I'm not a giants fan nor hater, but I do appreciate the moving goal posts and changing narrative surrounding the Saquon barkley pick.
First it was the Giants are out of their mind for not taking darnold or Rosen. I'm not writing either player off, but now that both look like dog****, the narrative has changed to the Giants should have taken Quenton Nelson instead after seeing that he may be the best guard in the NFL right now.
Then on top of that people are now saying they should have waited and taken a running back in later rounds because it's so easy to find a 1,000 yard rusher after the first round like they hadn't drafted this **** for the last 5 years:
2013 - michael cox
2014 - andre Williams
2016 - paul perkins
2017 - wayne gallman
But let's continue to act like the giants didnt already try doing what y'all were saying to do. Giants tried to find 4th and 5th round gems for years before they drafted maybe the most gifted athlete we have ever seen in the NFL. The flip side of the argument is maybe the giants could have use those wasted picks to fill out starters on their team.
Saying teams should ignore a position in the first round because phillip lindsay was taken in the 6th is the equivalent of saying taking a QB in the first round is a waste of a pick because drew brees, tom Brady, and Russell wilson werent taken in the first round. Its disingenuous as hell
First it was the Giants are out of their mind for not taking darnold or Rosen. I'm not writing either player off, but now that both look like dog****, the narrative has changed to the Giants should have taken Quenton Nelson instead after seeing that he may be the best guard in the NFL right now.
Then on top of that people are now saying they should have waited and taken a running back in later rounds because it's so easy to find a 1,000 yard rusher after the first round like they hadn't drafted this **** for the last 5 years:
2013 - michael cox
2014 - andre Williams
2016 - paul perkins
2017 - wayne gallman
But let's continue to act like the giants didnt already try doing what y'all were saying to do. Giants tried to find 4th and 5th round gems for years before they drafted maybe the most gifted athlete we have ever seen in the NFL. The flip side of the argument is maybe the giants could have use those wasted picks to fill out starters on their team.
Saying teams should ignore a position in the first round because phillip lindsay was taken in the 6th is the equivalent of saying taking a QB in the first round is a waste of a pick because drew brees, tom Brady, and Russell wilson werent taken in the first round. Its disingenuous as hell
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i don't think anyone (at least i'm not) is suggesting the above as a blanket statement. there's time when it makes sense, times when it doesn't.
i'll let
nick.
speak for himself tho
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Only reason people have devalued RBs is because it’s a passing league. Point blank period.
Out of those 5 SB champs, 2 had first round QBs. Brady and Russell Wilson were 3rd or later. If that’s the case, it’s the system that makes you good.
Out of those 5 SB champs, 2 had first round QBs. Brady and Russell Wilson were 3rd or later. If that’s the case, it’s the system that makes you good.
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My sentiments on this topic.
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More than likely no, but I do find it hilarious that people point to the exception and not the norm. Phillip lindsay is not the norm. He's an undersized running back with elite speed from a non-power house football school that many thought was too small to carry the load. Sure, I can probably find a pretty good running back in the second round. Your carlos hyde's of the world have had pretty damn good careers, but over the course of their career, more likely wont have anywhere near the same effect as your zekes, barkley's, gurley's, fournettes. I mean, you can clearly see the talent difference on the same team between a first round pick in leonard fournette and a second round pick in carlos hyde.
I get that first round running backs are more expensive than most other players and most people dont see the full benefit of the running back position, but a good running back can have a huge effect on your defense and quarterback play as well. Controlling the time of possession is a massive advantage and great running backs can help you do that.
All I'm saying is it's stupid to ignore talent because the position they play. Can you win a superbowl without a great running back? Absolutely. Can I probably say the same thing about every other position in the NFL? Absolutely.
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a team would be crazy to draft a guard with the 2nd pick in any draft.
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Super excited for this game. By far the most complete team we will have faced this season, and honestly the best team in the NFL.
I want to see where we measure up with the NFL's elite. This is going to be a good one.
Mcvay's genius vs Fangio's defensive scheme
Nagy's offensive creativity vs Wade Philips defensive scheme
Donald/Mack
Gurley
Goff/Mitch (Mitch spent the offseason with Goff in California working out together and are real good friends)
Trubisky's biggest test by far.
SNF at the crib. I'm ready for it.
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Must be nice to be excited for a game this late into the season.
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Must be nice to be excited for a game this late into the season.
Haven't been able to be this excited for a game since 2011. I deserve this.
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Must be nice to be excited for a game this late into the season.
You don't get excited to watch your team tank?
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It's inevitable that Bowles is out come Black Monday. The thing is, it should have just been done WEEKS ago, and instead I have to watch him **** this team up for four more weeks.
I tune in, but I honestly zone out/do other things around the apartment while they play. Especially the last few games with McCown.
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with the rookie contract the way they now are, i dont think any position outside of specialist should be off limits even as high as 1 (so no kickers, punters or long snappers)
buttttttttttttttttttttttt, having said that, pro bowl RBs selected outside of the 1st in each of the last couple drafts (kept it to just guys who made the pro bowls.. so no blount or dion lewis, for example):
2008: matt forte (2nd round), ray rice (2nd round), jamaal charles (3rd round), justin forsett (7th round), clifton smith (UDFA)
2009: shady (2nd round), cedric peerman (6th round), arian foster (UDFA)
2010: chris ivory (UDFA)
2011: demarco murray (3rd round)
2012: alfred morris (6th round)
2013: leveon bell (2nd round), eddie lacy (2nd round), latavius murray (6th round), cj anderson (UDFA)
2014: devonta freeman (4th round)
2015: david johnson (3rd round), jay ajayi (5th round)
2016: jordan howard (5th round)
2017: hunt and kamara (3rd round)
gotta assume lindsay and chubb got great shots at making the pro bowl from this last draft
problem with RBs, as exemplified above, they aint long for the league or that level of play even if they're good.. plus the value you can get later on.. just a rinse and repeat position
buttttttttttttttttttttttt, having said that, pro bowl RBs selected outside of the 1st in each of the last couple drafts (kept it to just guys who made the pro bowls.. so no blount or dion lewis, for example):
2008: matt forte (2nd round), ray rice (2nd round), jamaal charles (3rd round), justin forsett (7th round), clifton smith (UDFA)
2009: shady (2nd round), cedric peerman (6th round), arian foster (UDFA)
2010: chris ivory (UDFA)
2011: demarco murray (3rd round)
2012: alfred morris (6th round)
2013: leveon bell (2nd round), eddie lacy (2nd round), latavius murray (6th round), cj anderson (UDFA)
2014: devonta freeman (4th round)
2015: david johnson (3rd round), jay ajayi (5th round)
2016: jordan howard (5th round)
2017: hunt and kamara (3rd round)
gotta assume lindsay and chubb got great shots at making the pro bowl from this last draft
problem with RBs, as exemplified above, they aint long for the league or that level of play even if they're good.. plus the value you can get later on.. just a rinse and repeat position
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