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2021 NFL Off-Season Thread
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With Dallas & WSH, at least the product on the field is solid; especially with a healthy Dak for Dallas. Giants have nice pieces, but QB play is a huge question mark (whether fans what to admit it or not, Jones stinks).
Are we going to ignore that the Jags literally lost every game from Week 2 and on? That's why that Fowler ESPN piece when the Jets were in the drivers seat for 1st overall was such a joke.
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Dallas has drafted well, but jerruh can’t help but be jerruh
he can obviously afford to hire a GM and the team would be better off for it, but he wants credit.. keeping kellen moore is the one smart move they’ve made with the coaching staff
and he‘s still focused on why the cowboys succeeded in the 90s, not realizing a hell of lot has changed
like on their defense, byron Jones should have been a priority to resigning along with lawrence.. and dak should have been the focus over zeke, rebuilding the oline should have been the focus over zeke
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Steve Young did report The Jets are trying to recruit Zach Wilson’s family. That’s a key bit of info to follow. It’s clear they prefer the 9ers.
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And that’s ultimately on the organization for drafting him and trading up and investing the number 3 pick on him.
Yeah. Because he didn’t have the best coaching, and offensive line, and weapons he was failed. If you trade up in the draft and pick a guy to be your franchise savior, the very least you can do is make the necessary moves to put him in a position to be successful. The Jets did none of that. Yeah he ultimately needs to perform but let’s be real here.
Not all situations are the same. It’s rare a high draft pick qb walks into the best situation. But some organizations do a better job at setting their guy up for success and think long term rather than throwing them into the fire day one.
All I’m saying is this. You can call Sam Darnold a bust all day. He’s done quite a bit do justify that label. But the Jets didn’t do him any favors either. Should Darnold have stayed healthy and played better? Yeah. But let’s be here not absolve the Jets from any blame in all of this.
Anyhow, for all the Jets slander, be glad they aren’t the Texans.
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10 years agobut yeah I really don't understand how not once we've seen the Jags be ridiculed and that Trevor should avoid them at all costs.
Now bc the Jets are in front of San Fran, Wilson should avoid the Jets at all costs?
To be fair, they should be ridiculed as well. They probably get a pass from the sports media for being a smaller market with way less pressure. Hell the Jags are the second show in town compared to the Gators out that way.
A player can go through growing pains and rookie struggles in Jacksonville without the magnifying glass known as the New York media.
All that being said. If a player can’t handle the media or a large market, they were never the guy they were being hyped to be to begin with.
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If Sam Darnold showed ANYTHING at all they wouldn't be drafting another QB a month from now ...
He sucks
Like really sucks
The new regime wants nothing to do with him because of how much he sucks
ESPN hype machine literally made him a top 3 pick
And when it was time to show he was somewhat worthy he failed miserably
The whole damn football media roots for this kid and makes nothing but excuses for him and he still wasn't able to show anything to back them up
Lamar Jackson wasn't a QB and was supposed to transition to WR but SAM DARNOLD was one of greatest QB prospects in a while
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Adam Gase did nothing for Sam Darnold but he didn't help himself at all either
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If Sam Darnold showed ANYTHING at all they wouldn't be drafting another QB a month from now ...
He sucks
Like really sucks
The new regime wants nothing to do with him because of how much he sucks
ESPN hype machine literally made him a top 3 pick
And when it was time to show he was somewhat worthy he failed miserably
The whole damn football media roots for this kid and makes nothing but excuses for him and he still wasn't able to show anything to back them up
Lamar Jackson wasn't a QB and was supposed to transition to WR but SAM DARNOLD was one of greatest QB prospects in a while
And that says a lot about the prior regime if they fell for the espn hype machine when drafting someone. The current regime is within reason to not want to be tied to a guy from two coaches ago and one gm ago.
But you can say he sucks all day, the media making excuses for him etc. That doesn’t absolve the Jets from any blame in all of this. Mark Sanchez sucked too. The Jets had some decent teams around him in his earlier years and they made some playoff runs before the talent around him got depleted. Hell they went 8–8 one year with Geno Smith and he sucked also, but the talent was better.
As for Darnold. Given that he sucks so bad, what should the return be for him in a trade
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Funny how u bring up Sanchez considering he was buns but Darnold won't ever be as good as the playoff version of Sanchez
I'd be happy with a 3rd rounder
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For as trash as Sanchez was. He played decent in some of those playoff games. He made some big 3rd down throws in the New England game, the 3rd and goal to Dustin Keller in the SD game was smooth as well, granted he didn’t do much else in that Chargers game.
The Jets were getting love those years. I went to the week 1 snf game against Dallas the following season with a few heads from here. Loudest I’ve seen MetLife the 10 plus years it’s been open.
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I forgot about the BYU connection here
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To address your question ...
All 3 of these teams have been looking for stability in the QB position .. for at least 3 decades now ...
Please name all these stud QBs that have gonr to the Jets to suffer, that in Jacksonville or the 49ers would of have beed a different story.
Besides Gase and maybe loud mouth Ryan, whats the dysfunction thr Jets have had that thr Jags or 49 niners haven't?
Have the 49ers been more successful yes .. but they have had their fair amount of dysfunction and QB stability ... both the Jets and the Jags have their ups and downs....
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stated ... you spewing ESPN narratives ...There are only a hanfull of teams with stability at QB ... those QBs are first time ballot HOF.
Lastly, you can't say the Jets have not tried to build teams around QBs .... have they done a good job lately .. hell ******* no .... but that goes for a lot of teams ....
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Listen the Niners are just minding our business waiting to pick whoever the Jags and Jets don’t. We don’t want any problems.
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Put this in perspective...
Justin Fields speed and size is comparable to Adrian Peterson and Saquon Barkley. Lol AND he can sit in the pocket and throw lasers.
Justin Fields speed and size is comparable to Adrian Peterson and Saquon Barkley. Lol AND he can sit in the pocket and throw lasers.
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He will be lovely in our offense.
Zach is nice but he looks 15 and that bothers me.
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Since when do teams listen to the ESPN hype train when drafting? That’s on your scouts, player personnel dept., gm/front office making that call.
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What are you referencing with this?
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they were saying earlier today in the thread that the jets bought into the ESPN hype train when drafting Darnold. Multiple outlets and draft analysts thought he was the top QB in the draft.
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Completely agree (wasn’t just espn though, but a lot of scouts who want to stick to their evaluations). No one is asking for Darnold to win 10 games or be a pro bowler with this poor roster and coaching. But he clearly showed he isn’t a difference maker. He showed poor fundamentals that are independent of the team around him.
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When you walk in a room without throughly knowing what's going on, yet you opinionated.
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that’s what kingofnyc said but ok.
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To address your question ...
All 3 of these teams have been looking for stability in the QB position .. for at least 3 decades now ...
Please name all these stud QBs that have gonr to the Jets to suffer, that in Jacksonville or the 49ers would of have beed a different story.
Besides Gase and maybe loud mouth Ryan, whats the dysfunction thr Jets have had that thr Jags or 49 niners haven't?
Have the 49ers been more successful yes .. but they have had their fair amount of dysfunction and QB stability ... both the Jets and the Jags have their ups and downs....
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There are only a hanfull of teams with stability at QB ... those QBs are first time ballot HOF.
Lastly, you can't say the Jets have not tried to build teams around QBs .... have they done a good job lately .. hell ****ing no .... but that goes for a lot of teams ....
The Jaguars haven’t even been around 3 decades. But they had success with Mark Brunell and he was their starter for years. Steve Young played well into 1999, and the 49ers got consistent qb play from Jeff Garcia after that. Hell while we’re at it Kap > anyone the Jets have had at qb the past 2 decades or so.
Here’s my thing. The Jets issues go beyond qb. Hell the 49ers have gone to the Super Bowl with Kap and Jimmy at qb. The Jets made their afc title game runs with Mark Sanchez, so qb isn’t the end all be all. You can win without a qb.
Sanchez was considered a top prospect coming out. They traded up to draft him like he was one. Granted the team had success with him when they had a proper formula even if his performance wasn’t all that good. They used a high second rounder on Geno Smith (I’ll give him a pass because he was never expected to be that guy) and they traded up to get Darnold. Jacksonville was a mess those years. But I could’ve seen Sanchez or Geno having better careers with the Jim Harbaugh era 49ers. Sanchez may have been ruined already though as Singletary was the coach his first two seasons. Darnold would’ve been in a better situation with Shanahan and the 49ers.
I really can’t think of any dysfunction the Jags have had. They’ve just been bad. The 49ers were a mess when Chip Kelly was the coach, but it always seemed like it was something with the Jets, be it the Tebow foolishness, Geno getting punched out by his teammate, I know it’s other incidents but I’m too lazy to look them up.
Yeah, there’s only a few teams with stability at qb. But like I touched on earlier. You can win without a top qb. The 2009-10 Jets had that formula. They haven’t figured it out since.
I agree, they’ve tried to build around a qb, but they’ve failed miserably both times. It does go for a lot of teams. The browns got ****ted on all the time on here prior to last season and deservedly so. The Broncos have been a mess since Super Bowl 50, they deserve the scrutiny too. The Raiders have been a bigger mess than the Jets for almost 2 decades now, so to be fair I’m not just singling out the Jets.
In all honesty I hope they get it right with this pick. They got just under 4 weeks to do all the necessary homework to make sure they nail this pick. No excuses for them if they don’t.
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Jacksonville talk?
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Jacksonville talk?
I'm surprised people are writing paragraphs about the Jaguars, too
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