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Some of those Wu-Tang and East Coast albums that have been named can be taken off the list then cuz clearly those are regional classics. Ain't nobody outside of NY checking for Ironman
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Some of those Wu-Tang and East Coast albums that have been named can be taken off the list then cuz clearly those are regional classics. Ain't nobody outside of NY checking for Ironman
fixed.Hard Knock Lifeand Vol 3are Classics idk wth y'all are talking about
I mean it is what it is. I'm not talking about your serious hip hop heads though, I'm talking about the average Joe who listens to rap and their hip hop knowledge is confined to what's hot at the time. That's a GOOD majority of hip hop fans.Born and raised in the bay area and Ironman hasn't left my car cd rotation for over 5 years. You trippin'.
3-4? There wasnt that many man. Name these songs.
any conversation regarding Vol 2: Hard Knock Life not being a classic is ludicrous.
Hard Knock Life and Vol 3 are Classics idk wth y'all are talking about
Que? Are we talking about Hard Knock Life? The biggest single of his career? One of the catchiest songs ever? Its Like That is a great song too, I dont like Foxy Brown AT ALL so I will cosign that.Title Track3-4? There wasnt that many man. Name these songs.
The song with Kid Capri
The song with Foxy Brown
Both bonus joints (I actually REALLY like "Money aint a Thing, but that had dropped on JD's album like 5 months before...By the time HKL came out, money WAS a thing and I had none left to "toss it up")
Snoopy Track was my favorite song on that album when I was a kid. Snoopy Track is fire. S.Carter was dope too,.Things That U DoHard Knock Life and Vol 3 are Classics idk wth y'all are talking about
Snoopy Track
S. Carter
Pop 4 Roc
NYMP
Are you really telling me that you like and listen to those songs when you play Vol 3?
And truthfully, I coulda/shoulda added Come and Get Me and Watch Me to that list, but I'll take those tracks over ANY and ALL of the aforementioned songs.
Keepin it 100...Vol 3 definitely one of Jay's worst (solo) albums, only trumped by Kingdom Come and Blueprint 2 (i'll take blueprint 2.1 over Vol 3 though...take out the bs filler and BP2 had some potential).
Que? Are we talking about Hard Knock Life? The biggest single of his career? One of the catchiest songs ever? Its Like That is a great song too, I dont like Foxy Brown AT ALL so I will cosign that.
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Snoopy Track was my favorite song on that album when I was a kid. Snoopy Track is fire. S.Carter was dope too,.
The only song on that list I might skip is Pop 4 ROC. I didnt like Things That You Do when I was little but it grew on me once I got older. I agree with the BP2 comment, its mostly the fault of The Gift, not the Curse. Theyre seperate albums in my book.
Volume 3 definitely is not one of his worst albums. It was the perfect blend of commercial and street rap and the only album that comes close to having that widespread appeal of his is BP3. By which I mean every song has the potential to be a single, yet still contains "real rap"
On the subject of not labling those albums classics, thats not mean to insult them. I love those albums, the Volume Series is the best rap trilogy of all time, and Volume One is without a doubt his most under rated album, but I just think there cant be more than 3 of an artists albums than can be put up for "Classic Discussion" and its obvious what his three best albums are so everything else takes a backseat. I'm only speakin in regards to the music, if we factor in things like Cultural Impact Volume 2 is taking one of those spots.
HA! Well played with the GIF (is that what you call those things?) from Street is Watching.
Yes, "Hard Knock Life" is probably Jay's biggest single, but that's because of the crossover success...Album (single) sales, and thus impact on mainstream America, has nothing to do with quality of a song or album. Usually, for me, things that do well in sales (white america buys it up) is usually garbage (Shout to Nicki Minaj, Soulja Boy, Vanilla Ice, etc). I know a lot of people love this single...that's cool...again, not knocking anyone's opinion, but I'm not a fan of that song.
We can agree to disagree about Snoopy Track...if you like that song thne you like that song...not knocking you, just not my thing
But I'm not going to put a limit on how many classic artists an emcee can make...
This is how I'm looking at it for the moment.I thought we already been thru this...
Jay-Z has 3 classics. Vol 2 is not one of them
vol 1 was PISS POOOOOR follow up to reasonable doubt.. no way itsI"m gonna hafta disagree. You can go back a few pages, we've all already had this conversation. Vol 2 isn't even the best of the In My Lifetime series...Vol 1 is better.any conversation regarding Vol 2: Hard Knock Life not being a classic is ludicrous.
I don't see how that album changed the game, what he was rapping about on that album wasn't no different than Pac,Jay,Biggie,& Snoop had already didAre there still people who don't consider GRODT a classic. Even if you don't like it you have to understand the impact and magnitude of that album and what it did for the entire Hip-Hop world and how it changed the game. It's funny to me how people are saying it should be a classic like it already isn't.
with that said it was written still sounds better to me so itsIllmatic
2014 is going to be 20 years since it dropped I believe and it still can't be touched.
It sounds better than anything that came out in the last 10 years.
But this thread is about new classics so I'm going with Scarface "The Fix".
classicWhat about ma$e Harlem world?
And this makes the album bad? How many of his albums would have been regarded as "a satisfactory follow up to Reasonable Doubt"? Three of them? This is why I say Volume One is his most under rated album, people are quick to slander it for that reason.vol 1 was PISS POOOOOR follow up to reasonable doubt.. no way itsI"m gonna hafta disagree. You can go back a few pages, we've all already had this conversation. Vol 2 isn't even the best of the In My Lifetime series...Vol 1 is better.any conversation regarding Vol 2: Hard Knock Life not being a classic is ludicrous.
classic.
vol. 2 redeemed jay-z.
Never doubt his buzz was big cause it was but i don't see how it changed the rap game
NYC was 50 cent's playground when get rich or die tryin dropped...
son was da rap lebron, son had a HUGE BUZZ and he met and EXCEEDED
expectations.
I agree with thatIdk if it changed the rap game, but he definitely took over the rap game, that's for sure