After digesting MCHG, I'm saying Nas > Jay as an artist

[Hahahaha]

So all that NaS had to do is say he was the best rapper alive and then say he was retiring with one album left and the world would have ate it up............because that's what happened. Reasonable Doubt became a well known classic once Jay called himself the best and said he was retiring.



Jay's production and name has carried him throughout the second half of his career. See all the big name producers with his last few albums and average lyrics.

 

[mastamind033]

Man I am DEAD over here.

My man really let Mr. Chrome CDubbz,no timeouts left but i'm gonna call one ANYWAY get burn on his LP.

I'm still not over that one man.

I haven't purchased a Nas LP since HHID (no joke).

Webber produced "Surviving the Times" though and that's a great tune

 

[girthbrooks]

Nas is broke, dog.

and his discography is incredibly boring.

i respect him as an all-time great lyricist

but when was the last time anyone really anticipated a Nas LP?

 

[niquefreak94]

Nas has pushed the Art more than Jay-z. Jay-z has pushed the commercial and appeal of it.

*clears throat*

say what's yo priiiiice
just to back it uuuuuup
you can hold my iiiiice
now let's say you ooooowwwweeeee me something

 

[deuce king]

So all that NaS had to do is say he was the best rapper alive and then say he was retiring with one album left and the world would have ate it up............because that's what happened. Reasonable Doubt became a well known classic once Jay called himself the best and said he was retiring.



Jay's production and name has carried him throughout the second half of his career. See all the big name producers with his last few albums and average lyrics.

Yet another excuse that Nas fans say as a coping mechanism to help ease the pain of the lack of attention/success that Nas doesn't have in comparison to others.  It's not production or his name soley that has carried Jay throughout his career/let alone the second half of his career.  It's the PEOPLE that have carried Jay, which is why he and his album alone can crash a website as fans/the people attempt to download the album late into the night.  It's the people that can have Jay and his album as a trending topic on Twitter for example even days or weeks before his album releases and the same apply even after the album releases. It's the people that can help Jay's concert tickets sell out within minutes, even for an arena or a football stadium.  It's the people that flood to into a building with late notification that Jay is performing as an art display at an art gallery in New York just last week.  The resounding theme in all the statements that I just said champ is the PEOPLE...............  

 

[dt43]

As an artist you want your work to be viewed, discussed and or listened to.  In the case of these two rappers Jay and Nas, as of today and as it appears to be in the future, Jay's work will be talked about more often and listened to more than Nas's.  If you got outside right now and get away from behind your computer, your most likely going to hear a Jay song before a Nas song, if you hear a Nas song at all  I like Nas myself, but as an artist which encompasses EVERYTHING, which includes the culture that they are in, the clear cut winner is Jay Z and it's not even close.     

Also, I hear the argument from Nas fans that Nas created Illmatic and no Jay album touches Illmatic.  Illmatic is a great album and some even consider it to the greatest hip hop album of all-time, but that was damn near 20 years ago, that's almost 2 decades.  What has he done since then in comparison, has he lead the charge since then, did he create another Illmatic since then, what ways has he lead or has he lead from that point at all??  Again, just to bring this back to the original point, as an artist or an artist that is in business which these two rappers are you want your work listened to as much as possible as that is one of the ways you will be remembered long after you are gone.  Jay is currently ahead of Nas in that regard.  

Nas will always be synonymous with hip hop. He has Ivy League professors writing books and teaching classes on his lyrics.

If you went outside you would hear a Lil Wayne song before you hear a Nas song too, that doesn't play into my assessment of them as artists.

 

[ill legal operation]

GKMC>>>>>>LIS+MCHG

I'm sayin'...

...we got KD and Bron on the court, and Ns still arguing Jordan and Bird.

 

[certifiedflyboi23]

GKMC>>>>>>LIS+MCHG

But...

Jesus Piece > GKMC

 

[the natural mystic]

If you want to have a debate or a conversation about Nas being one of the most versatile rappers since 94, then sure champ, I guess we can have that discussion.  He would be somewhere on the list.  If you were to say Nas is THE most versatile rapper since 94 then you my friend would be in a bit of trouble IMO.    




Nas TRIED to push the commercial and appeal of it but failed.  So with that being said, some ****** do what they want (Jay Z) other ****** do what they can (Nas).  Certain Nas fans always try to play the "oh Nas cares more about the art" sympathy angle, blah blah blah.  He gets paid for his music/work just like everyone else so of course he wants to have his records sell and be spun which then helps with tours and other promotion opportunities.  He's just not able to do so in the same manner that Jay Z is able to so that leaves Nas fans to play the "Nas pushes the art more card", probably because it's the only card in the pack that they have.  

First of all, I wouldn't be in trouble at all to say that Nas is one if not the most versatile rapper since 94.

As far as the mic goes, Nas can do everything Jay can and more.

You care about how he sells records. I don't give a damn about that. That doesn't mean a damn thing about the art. Illmatic took forever to go Platinum but it's still regarded as the best album in hip hop. Nas has had success. Just because he didn't succeed to the same level and go as commercial as Jay doesn't mean he failed. (what do you consider a failure anyways?) Nas didn't want sponsors and all that garbage to expand his brand for a while. Watch that old show on MTV diary around when stillmatic came out. He has been successful as far as commercial goes but his music suffered. So he started doing things his way and started making quality music.

Look at the singles that Nas has released in the last 20 years or so and then look at Jays. They are going in different directions as far as subject matter. This is not to say whose singles are better but it tells you a story and backs up my point. Look at the versatility alone on the singles.

Halftime
It aint hard to tell
If I ruled the world
Nas is like
Nastraudamus :x
you owe me
Hate me now
Got yourself a gun
One mic
Made you look
I can
get down
hip-hop is dead
theifes theme
just a moment
daughters
and so on

when you release songs like these, i think you are more concerned about the music than the amount of records you are gonna sell. The only time the music suffered was when he was at his peak as far as popularity goes but then he went back to doing what he wanted.



You're focused on that ******** and think it forces us to play the art card? when we pull up the art card, you pull up the britney spears selling records card.

I give Jay credit every chance that I can for becoming a successful mogul. It's awesome but that doesn't mean he is a better rapper.

and you want to talk about the people? Who buys record albums? You think those same people want to hear an album like UNTITLED(we all know the real title)

You think the same people want to hear a black man talking about his daughter or injecting the youth with "I can"?

 

[bleek gilliam]

Man I am DEAD over here.

My man really let Mr. Chrome CDubbz,no timeouts left but i'm gonna call one ANYWAY get burn on his LP.

I'm still not over that one man.

I haven't purchased a Nas LP since HHID (no joke).

I still purchase his albums though

.............

 

[bleek gilliam]

Webber produced "Surviving the Times" though and that's a great tune

Now this is a dope song

..............

 

[certifiedflyboi23]

This guy Nas had an identity crisis. 1st he was QB hip hop Nas, then he tried to be Mafioso Casino Nas, then You Owe Me Nas, then preaching kufi Nas. Lmfao I mean c'mon

 

[Hahahaha]

*clears throat*

say what's yo priiiiice
just to back it uuuuuup
you can hold my iiiiice
now let's say you ooooowwwweeeee me something

What's your point? Everyone has commercial songs. Biggie, Pac, Em, DMX, Cam and every other rapper.

NaS has commercial songs, Jay has commercial ALBUMS. That's the difference.

 

[ruxxx]

*clears throat*

say what's yo priiiiice
just to back it uuuuuup
you can hold my iiiiice
now let's say you ooooowwwweeeee me something

You thought you were gonna shut **** down with this didn't you?

Webber produced "Surviving the Times" though and that's a great tune

He did both though.

 

[the natural mystic]

double

 

[Hahahaha]

Yet another excuse that Nas fans say as a coping mechanism to help ease the pain of the lack of attention/success that Nas doesn't have in comparison to others.  It's not production or his name soley that has carried Jay throughout his career/let alone the second half of his career.  It's the PEOPLE that have carried Jay, which is why he and his album alone can crash a website as fans/the people attempt to download the album late into the night.  It's the people that can have Jay and his album as a trending topic on Twitter for example even days or weeks before his album releases and the same apply even after the album releases. It's the people that can help Jay's concert tickets sell out within minutes, even for an arena or a football stadium.  It's the people that flood to into a building with late notification that Jay is performing as an art display at an art gallery in New York just last week.  The resounding theme in all the statements that I just said champ is the PEOPLE...............  

A coping mechanism to ease the pain? I could give a damn about NaS' sales or attention. One of my favorite current rappers is Killer Mike, his last three albums have sold a total of 50K combined. I wasn't even interested in Life is Good because he's getting older and I figured why bother. On his record, he actually had something to say. Kids could learn from that album. While Jay's last release is going to have kids missing their rent to buy some Tom Ford clothing and talk about Miley Cyrus twerking. I have been listening to Jay since Vol. 1, been a fan. It was over night, he called himself the best and no one disputed it. You would have to be deaf or a moron to act like Kingdom Come, Blueprint 3 and MCHG aren't damn near the same ******g album. Lyrics, topics and producers

 

[dt43]

Just saw this


Nas Honored As The “Nasir Jones Hip-Hop Fellowship" Is Established At Harvard University.


Coming from someone who once rapped "My people be, projects or jail never Harvard or Yale"

This is a man who has championed hip-hop culture in every way. Salute him.

 

[the natural mystic]

Just saw this


Nas Honored As The “Nasir Jones Hip-Hop Fellowship" Is Established At Harvard University.


Coming from someone who once rapped "My people be, projects or jail never Harvard or Yale"

This is a man who has championed hip-hop culture in every way. Salute him.

"I would be Ivy League if America played fair"

 

[bleek gilliam]

The Natural Mystic I see you homie 

.............

 

[niquefreak94]

You thought you were gonna shut **** down with this didn't you?
He did both though.

not at all

see i don't care about anything in this thread or on this forum enough to get my panties in a bunch i was just saying that you can't say this man cares soooo much about just the art and not the commercial appeal when he clearly tried for it when he thought it would work. he's no different. if it would have worked for him he might have ran with it. no need to make assumptions. you can just ask me why i put that [deuce king] champ. [/deuce king voice]

 

[deuce king]

Yet another excuse that Nas fans say as a coping mechanism to help ease the pain of the lack of attention/success that Nas doesn't have in comparison to others.  It's not production or his name soley that has carried Jay throughout his career/let alone the second half of his career.  It's the PEOPLE that have carried Jay, which is why he and his album alone can crash a website as fans/the people attempt to download the album late into the night.  It's the people that can have Jay and his album as a trending topic on Twitter for example even days or weeks before his album releases and the same apply even after the album releases. It's the people that can help Jay's concert tickets sell out within minutes, even for an arena or a football stadium.  It's the people that flood to into a building with late notification that Jay is performing as an art display at an art gallery in New York just last week.  The resounding theme in all the statements that I just said champ is the PEOPLE...............  
 

A coping mechanism to ease the pain? I could give a damn about NaS' sales or attention. One of my favorite current rappers is Killer Mike, his last three albums have sold a total of 50K combined. I wasn't even interested in Life is Good because he's getting older and I figured why bother. On his record, he actually had something to say. Kids could learn from that album. While Jay's last release is going to have kids missing their rent to buy some Tom Ford clothing and talk about Miley Cyrus twerking. 

One of the last things any Nas fan should do is talk about a certain rapper advocating missing payments or having money issues as a talking point in their lyrics for a discussion, particularly given Nas's recent troubles with the IRS and he himself OWING money to the federal government since he in fact missed payments.  

With that being said, Ballerific703 you and I both ride motorcycles which means you and I share a common bond, we're actually in a botherhood so to speak.  That being said champ, because you and I share the same interest I'm going to give you time to edit your post and present a better argument, or at the least remove that statement from your post as to make the proper correction going forward.  Anybody else I probably wouldn't have been as lenient with, but since you like two wheels like me, I figure why not extend a friendly hand.     

 

[Hahahaha]

^ timeout, I've seen you in the motorcycle thread and we don't live far from each other so we're good.


As for NaS owing money and missing payments, he talks about it on Life is Good. Hopefully that message will get across to kids. As for Jay, is a materialistic song like Tom Ford necessary? I like the song but it's so Jay. It's what he does now.

 

[gllahone84]

the way i see it, these dudes have taken turns @ being better than each other throughout the course of their careers.

@ times jay has been superior, there have been time when NaS has had the edge and theres also been times when they've been equ@ the top of their game and choosing the better of the 2 simply boiled down to preference.

all that bein said, CURRENTLY jay > nas imo b/c MCHG > LIG.

nas was gettin off on LIG but the music just wasnt there for me.

lil too much fluff. waaaaay too much kelis...

too much Kelis...

 

[mjsaver]

But it's all perspective , again Its the same cycle between Nas and jay fans

Peep how ballerific will pick two random topics Tom ford and Miley Cyrus and act as if that's a fair representation of the entire album

When you totally ignore all the other topics he talk about it shows you aren't really listening, or you don't really like Jay like that.

It's been like that for 90% of his albums though, dudes act like he's Flo-Rida just making club bangers but the the jewels have always been there y'all probly weren't listening.

 

[Hahahaha]

too much Kelis...

too much Beyonce on MCHG