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Zyzz, if you do not work with Jay and his operation, there is no way that you can say with 100% certainty that this is an isolated incident.
Air Jordan XI Retro - White/Concord/Black - CONFIRMED - Holiday 2011
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http://sneakerape.com/pro...l.php?prod=airjordanmars LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL
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And they don't sell fakes right
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damn he admitted to selling fake shoes.
spacejams 2009 0 hole in insole
concords 2010 +1 hole in insole
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=equals spacejams 2011 (sds) 1 hole in insole
is that what i read?
spacejams 2009 0 hole in insole
concords 2010 +1 hole in insole
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=equals spacejams 2011 (sds) 1 hole in insole
is that what i read?
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How do we know they are made in Nike factories? What if I were to fly to China, steal a Jordan mold, the materials, and then fly back to America and make you a pair of Space Jams in my basement? Are these authentic? Better yet, what if the materials aren't coming directly from Nike? What if they know the exact place the materials came from and placed an order for the materials completely outside of any Nike factory, and made the shoes in some random warehouse with a mold they stole?
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puaahahhahha oh man...
and I don't think that first picture is the same shoe as the bottom 3.
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My first and last experience with SDS have been less than satisfactory. His reputation will no longer be the same. Concord release was the make or break for him and all resellers, and unfortunately for him due to the space jam incident, this was the BREAK.
No one in their right mind will ever buy sneakers from them. Fake, Remake, whatever they are, Reputation is ruined. Memphis said he learned his lesson when buying early and said he had a
expression whenever he looked at his early pairs. Atleast now we can agree with him.
No one in their right mind will ever buy sneakers from them. Fake, Remake, whatever they are, Reputation is ruined. Memphis said he learned his lesson when buying early and said he had a
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There are a few points.
1. Asian Products are all tagged and their products are not. How would they receive US product if the pairs they were selling were Asian retail pairs? Chinese sneaker heads no longer buy pairs with US price MSRP tags on them because they have known that these are not legit products. The prices for the early release pairs and retail pairs on Taobao(chinese ebay) are significantly different (the retail product being a couple hundred more RMB) however people still choose to buy the products that are Chinese retail pairs. Its no coincidence they choose to pay more for the retail product.
The majority of shoes that early release sites get do not come from store in China, I think 99% of us already know that, your point is invalid.
2. The early release sites prices are TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE. 150 for True Blues, 160 for Flint 13, 245 for SpaceJam, 245 for Concords, 165 for Cement III. These shoes are all significantly worth more than they are selling them for.
Why do you only bring up the real popular shoes, why not mention 185 for Stealth 3s, 190 for Hoya 14s, 220 for Last Shots, are these shoes worth more too? Old shoes cost less to get than early releases, simple as that, because the ones leftover are the LEFTOVERS, real but there's a minor minor flaw on the shoe (real, regardless)
3. The prices even get better for wholesale buying. They offer many of the shoes for less than US retail and offer them early. I can let you know from a business prospective IF I had the ability to get the shoes early there is no way I would sell them for less than US retail. No one with legit products would.
Wrong, don't you think the factory people who leak the shoes know how limited a shoe are? You think factory bosses let Concords go for $175? You act like they get paid 10 USD an hour working there.
4. The quantity of the shoes they are selling is way too much for them to be authentic pairs. 500 pairs of Concord XI in one weekend? If they were stealing authentic product out of the factory it will be almost impossible to steal that sort of quantity without getting caught. This is only considering the amount sold by one website. The only way to supply enough quantity for all the early release sellers are if they are producing themselves.
You do know that there's around 1,300,000 real pairs being made right? More than the Cool Greys.
The situation at the factory I will not address. Majority of the pairs out right now are fakes, but when the real ones kicks in, we are talking about 300 pairs a day coming out.
Your point is actually semi-valid here.
5. If the boxes and accessories are not authentic then why would the shoes be authentic? If the shoes truly were authentic then there would be no need to provide a box and accessories unless they wanted to make buyers believe they are something they are not.
You obviously didn't read the posts, boxes do not matter at all, we went over this.
6. They have had shoes that are super limited and nearly impossible to get in the US. For example, Ray Allen 13, Entourage Dunk SB, Doernbecher 3, BHM III. Most of these limited shoes are US only releases such as the doernbecher 3. The doernbecher 3 was released only to Nike Stores in the US, so how would an asian seller have their hands on multiple pairs?
LOLWUT?
7. They have been producing pairs using leftover materials to replicate Nike products. If they don't have enough material to create the shoe, they have substituted other material in place of the authentic material. A 99% authentic shoe is still a FAKE
LOLWUT again, so if they had enough leftover material, then it's a real shoe?
Bottom line, These early release sellers have damaged sneaker collecting and sneaker retail industry. Customers now expect to pay less for items because of the pricing of these early release shoes. Collectors have been tricked into thinking that these products are the same products that retail products are. The easiest way to tell that these are not legit is the pricing. Their prices are low not because they like "hooking" their customers up. It is because they are receiving this inventory significantly cheaper than anyone else can.
Take it for what its worth. I know there will still be a large mass of people supporting that these shoes are authentic, and they are terribly mistaken. If a shoe is not authentic, it is fake.
^ Stop making up your own theories.
1. Asian Products are all tagged and their products are not. How would they receive US product if the pairs they were selling were Asian retail pairs? Chinese sneaker heads no longer buy pairs with US price MSRP tags on them because they have known that these are not legit products. The prices for the early release pairs and retail pairs on Taobao(chinese ebay) are significantly different (the retail product being a couple hundred more RMB) however people still choose to buy the products that are Chinese retail pairs. Its no coincidence they choose to pay more for the retail product.
The majority of shoes that early release sites get do not come from store in China, I think 99% of us already know that, your point is invalid.
2. The early release sites prices are TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE. 150 for True Blues, 160 for Flint 13, 245 for SpaceJam, 245 for Concords, 165 for Cement III. These shoes are all significantly worth more than they are selling them for.
Why do you only bring up the real popular shoes, why not mention 185 for Stealth 3s, 190 for Hoya 14s, 220 for Last Shots, are these shoes worth more too? Old shoes cost less to get than early releases, simple as that, because the ones leftover are the LEFTOVERS, real but there's a minor minor flaw on the shoe (real, regardless)
3. The prices even get better for wholesale buying. They offer many of the shoes for less than US retail and offer them early. I can let you know from a business prospective IF I had the ability to get the shoes early there is no way I would sell them for less than US retail. No one with legit products would.
Wrong, don't you think the factory people who leak the shoes know how limited a shoe are? You think factory bosses let Concords go for $175? You act like they get paid 10 USD an hour working there.
4. The quantity of the shoes they are selling is way too much for them to be authentic pairs. 500 pairs of Concord XI in one weekend? If they were stealing authentic product out of the factory it will be almost impossible to steal that sort of quantity without getting caught. This is only considering the amount sold by one website. The only way to supply enough quantity for all the early release sellers are if they are producing themselves.
You do know that there's around 1,300,000 real pairs being made right? More than the Cool Greys.
The situation at the factory I will not address. Majority of the pairs out right now are fakes, but when the real ones kicks in, we are talking about 300 pairs a day coming out.
Your point is actually semi-valid here.
5. If the boxes and accessories are not authentic then why would the shoes be authentic? If the shoes truly were authentic then there would be no need to provide a box and accessories unless they wanted to make buyers believe they are something they are not.
You obviously didn't read the posts, boxes do not matter at all, we went over this.
6. They have had shoes that are super limited and nearly impossible to get in the US. For example, Ray Allen 13, Entourage Dunk SB, Doernbecher 3, BHM III. Most of these limited shoes are US only releases such as the doernbecher 3. The doernbecher 3 was released only to Nike Stores in the US, so how would an asian seller have their hands on multiple pairs?
LOLWUT?
7. They have been producing pairs using leftover materials to replicate Nike products. If they don't have enough material to create the shoe, they have substituted other material in place of the authentic material. A 99% authentic shoe is still a FAKE
LOLWUT again, so if they had enough leftover material, then it's a real shoe?
Bottom line, These early release sellers have damaged sneaker collecting and sneaker retail industry. Customers now expect to pay less for items because of the pricing of these early release shoes. Collectors have been tricked into thinking that these products are the same products that retail products are. The easiest way to tell that these are not legit is the pricing. Their prices are low not because they like "hooking" their customers up. It is because they are receiving this inventory significantly cheaper than anyone else can.
Take it for what its worth. I know there will still be a large mass of people supporting that these shoes are authentic, and they are terribly mistaken. If a shoe is not authentic, it is fake.
^ Stop making up your own theories.
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This all depends on what your own interpretation is of the word "fake". Same materials, but made by someone else to the exact same specs?
In the end, everyone here has to do their own due diligence and make their own decisions based on the evidence presented in front of them.
Some here think those SJams are fake. Others actually want to ask if they can make up some columbias/breds
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What I do know, is that this will definitely change the way alot of people buy off of websites. I really thought that these early websites were starting to hit an all time high in terms of orders/popularity with sneaker blogs and well known sneaker guys endorsing these sites.
But now.... looks like alot of people have been turned off.
In the end, everyone here has to do their own due diligence and make their own decisions based on the evidence presented in front of them.
Some here think those SJams are fake. Others actually want to ask if they can make up some columbias/breds
What I do know, is that this will definitely change the way alot of people buy off of websites. I really thought that these early websites were starting to hit an all time high in terms of orders/popularity with sneaker blogs and well known sneaker guys endorsing these sites.
But now.... looks like alot of people have been turned off.
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1.3 mil is a lot of shoes.
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FINALLY ADMITS IT. SMH.
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Yay, maybe my mall can finally get more than 20 pairs of XI's per release.
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Something big like that, I heard it once and never cared for it, ball park number.
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I can't wait until the reals drop. It's gonna be stupid trying to get a pair.
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Yea stupid easy
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nooblee knows this business and i got a lot of respect for him
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noob...when will you drop your next bombshell? lol
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Yeah and blurry pictures, smh
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Even with all the info that has come out. I'm not touching the buy/sell forum when the Concords drop
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^^ What are ya'll talking about? Yes, he dropped bombs on these early Asian retailers, but now he defends them. I think RareAir made some very good points and NoobLee answers weren't very helpful and were also kinda smug. I think he is just another rep for another retailer, who eventually will get 'duped' by his supplier like all of the foreign retailers. Just wait another month or two and pre-order a pair locally.
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yup... im not buyin a sjam unless the soles are yellow myself.
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just putting this out there. read first tweet:
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Why don't we all end this talk about fake or not fakes right now and just wait until AR and SDS XI's arrive to those who ordered. It's really dumb how we're all pointing fingers like little kids at each other for saying this or that. We're on 300+ pgs already and we're not even close to December yet.
But idk, that's just me. Let's be more realistic and just wait it out, maybe once December comes by and we get more XI's from store and site retailers then we'll all compare, milky toes, insoles, whatever. For now let's just talk about the hype of this shoe and not talk about other people and their bible stories.
I've ordered from SDS when he first got his Jams stock back in Oct/Nov of 2009 and they came with everything included, I never went onto doing detective work and finding out whether this was authentic or if it had a hole inside the shoe. As soon as RD came around December 2009 and got my 2nd pair of Jams, I compared both shoes, boxes, shoe trees, carbon fiber, soles, laces, etc...everything seemed exact. Yes shipping was a bit slow but I received them ahead of time, and ever since then I've worn the same shoes that ordered from SDS, and by the looks of it shoe store employees from FTL, FNL, Champs, and peeps on the street still give me compliments even though I got them from SDS. Btw I even wore them on RD when Jams came out and people in line were asking questions and didn't notice anything wrong.
So all in all, I think SDS is legit. AR's shoes I wouldn't know because I've never ordered from him but people say he's legit, if that's the case then so be it. I'm not here to point fingers and look at them suspicious and argue over authentic shoes. For those who ordered from SDS, AR, VMVinc, etc...enjoy your shoes, wear them, stock them, do whatever you wan't with them. Just don't blame others, at the end the decision to purchase was ALL YOU. No one else.
But idk, that's just me. Let's be more realistic and just wait it out, maybe once December comes by and we get more XI's from store and site retailers then we'll all compare, milky toes, insoles, whatever. For now let's just talk about the hype of this shoe and not talk about other people and their bible stories.
I've ordered from SDS when he first got his Jams stock back in Oct/Nov of 2009 and they came with everything included, I never went onto doing detective work and finding out whether this was authentic or if it had a hole inside the shoe. As soon as RD came around December 2009 and got my 2nd pair of Jams, I compared both shoes, boxes, shoe trees, carbon fiber, soles, laces, etc...everything seemed exact. Yes shipping was a bit slow but I received them ahead of time, and ever since then I've worn the same shoes that ordered from SDS, and by the looks of it shoe store employees from FTL, FNL, Champs, and peeps on the street still give me compliments even though I got them from SDS. Btw I even wore them on RD when Jams came out and people in line were asking questions and didn't notice anything wrong.
So all in all, I think SDS is legit. AR's shoes I wouldn't know because I've never ordered from him but people say he's legit, if that's the case then so be it. I'm not here to point fingers and look at them suspicious and argue over authentic shoes. For those who ordered from SDS, AR, VMVinc, etc...enjoy your shoes, wear them, stock them, do whatever you wan't with them. Just don't blame others, at the end the decision to purchase was ALL YOU. No one else.
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QFT
Alot of PE and Celebrity request shoes are produced on the fly, using leftover parts and come with no box(IE: Warren Sapps '01/'02 Blk.red XIs with clear sole from red XI lows). Are these fake now too... Hell No.
As long as all of the materials used are produced by Nike and they have Air-Sole units manufactured by Nike the actual shoes themselves are "real". They may not be "certified" by Nike, but just because a massive corporation dosent put their final stamp of approval on a shoe does not make the shoe "fake". It just means they were not "certified" authentic.
People seem more concerned about the box than the shoes!!! That definitley says somthing about the high quality of the shoes in question.
