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Then not knowing bought $280 made from the same material left over?
to add insult to injury the "real ones" that come out in December will probally look worse than the early ones
this is real entertaining!
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Basically. Even if you can't do a pre-order, I'm sure if you frequent the same stores for your kicks, you can secure a pair(s) for retail and an extra $20 for your FL/Champs employee. At least that's what always works for me.Originally Posted by Gink
^^ What are ya'll talking about? Yes, he dropped bombs on these early Asian retailers, but now he defends them. I think RareAir made some very good points and NoobLee answers weren't very helpful and were also kinda smug. I think he is just another rep for another retailer, who eventually will get 'duped' by his supplier like all of the foreign retailers. Just wait another month or two and pre-order a pair locally.
Making my own theories? I think that we are on the same page, but just not understanding each others points. I agree with everything you have said but why only bring up the popular ones? Because the popular shoes are the ones that they are REPLICATING. Are you saying that factory bosses would charge more or less than 175? How do boxes not matter? If the shoes are coming in fake boxes then thats all the proof I need that the shoes themselves also are not real. Even with enough leftover material the shoe is still not "authentic". Either way I think we both agree that these shoes are not legit.Originally Posted by NoobLee
There are a few points.
1. Asian Products are all tagged and their products are not. How would they receive US product if the pairs they were selling were Asian retail pairs? Chinese sneaker heads no longer buy pairs with US price MSRP tags on them because they have known that these are not legit products. The prices for the early release pairs and retail pairs on Taobao(chinese ebay) are significantly different (the retail product being a couple hundred more RMB) however people still choose to buy the products that are Chinese retail pairs. Its no coincidence they choose to pay more for the retail product.
The majority of shoes that early release sites get do not come from store in China, I think 99% of us already know that, your point is invalid.
2. The early release sites prices are TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE. 150 for True Blues, 160 for Flint 13, 245 for SpaceJam, 245 for Concords, 165 for Cement III. These shoes are all significantly worth more than they are selling them for.
Why do you only bring up the real popular shoes, why not mention 185 for Stealth 3s, 190 for Hoya 14s, 220 for Last Shots, are these shoes worth more too? Old shoes cost less to get than early releases, simple as that, because the ones leftover are the LEFTOVERS, real but there's a minor minor flaw on the shoe (real, regardless)
3. The prices even get better for wholesale buying. They offer many of the shoes for less than US retail and offer them early. I can let you know from a business prospective IF I had the ability to get the shoes early there is no way I would sell them for less than US retail. No one with legit products would.
Wrong, don't you think the factory people who leak the shoes know how limited a shoe are? You think factory bosses let Concords go for $175? You act like they get paid 10 USD an hour working there.
4. The quantity of the shoes they are selling is way too much for them to be authentic pairs. 500 pairs of Concord XI in one weekend? If they were stealing authentic product out of the factory it will be almost impossible to steal that sort of quantity without getting caught. This is only considering the amount sold by one website. The only way to supply enough quantity for all the early release sellers are if they are producing themselves.
You do know that there's around 1,300,000 real pairs being made right? More than the Cool Greys.
The situation at the factory I will not address. Majority of the pairs out right now are fakes, but when the real ones kicks in, we are talking about 300 pairs a day coming out.
Your point is actually semi-valid here.
5. If the boxes and accessories are not authentic then why would the shoes be authentic? If the shoes truly were authentic then there would be no need to provide a box and accessories unless they wanted to make buyers believe they are something they are not.
You obviously didn't read the posts, boxes do not matter at all, we went over this.
6. They have had shoes that are super limited and nearly impossible to get in the US. For example, Ray Allen 13, Entourage Dunk SB, Doernbecher 3, BHM III. Most of these limited shoes are US only releases such as the doernbecher 3. The doernbecher 3 was released only to Nike Stores in the US, so how would an asian seller have their hands on multiple pairs?
LOLWUT?
7. They have been producing pairs using leftover materials to replicate Nike products. If they don't have enough material to create the shoe, they have substituted other material in place of the authentic material. A 99% authentic shoe is still a FAKE
LOLWUT again, so if they had enough leftover material, then it's a real shoe?
Bottom line, These early release sellers have damaged sneaker collecting and sneaker retail industry. Customers now expect to pay less for items because of the pricing of these early release shoes. Collectors have been tricked into thinking that these products are the same products that retail products are. The easiest way to tell that these are not legit is the pricing. Their prices are low not because they like "hooking" their customers up. It is because they are receiving this inventory significantly cheaper than anyone else can.
Take it for what its worth. I know there will still be a large mass of people supporting that these shoes are authentic, and they are terribly mistaken. If a shoe is not authentic, it is fake.
^ Stop making up your own theories.
agree and this is not something new... and now people call these fake all of a sudden. I guess just buy whatever you are comfortable with.Originally Posted by dankenstien88
This milky toe thing dosent have me completley sold either.
It is extremely common for manufacturers in any industry to have major variations in their first production run vs. later ones.
Anyone remember in '01 when some people bought promo pairs of white/navy Is with a full color Jumpman on the heel and others had the silver Jumpman.
How bout reverse infrareds??? Granted some (very,very few) people lucked out and got a pair from a reputable retail store but most pairs were bought pre-release.
Dont forget the DMP XIs with "Jordan" printed on the eyelits.
Originally Posted by OG2345
Why don't we all end this talk about fake or not fakes right now and just wait until AR and SDS XI's arrive to those who ordered. It's really dumb how we're all pointing fingers like little kids at each other for saying this or that. We're on 300+ pgs already and we're not even close to December yet.
But idk, that's just me. Let's be more realistic and just wait it out, maybe once December comes by and we get more XI's from store and site retailers then we'll all compare, milky toes, insoles, whatever. For now let's just talk about the hype of this shoe and not talk about other people and their bible stories.
I've ordered from SDS when he first got his Jams stock back in Oct/Nov of 2009 and they came with everything included, I never went onto doing detective work and finding out whether this was authentic or if it had a hole inside the shoe. As soon as RD came around December 2009 and got my 2nd pair of Jams, I compared both shoes, boxes, shoe trees, carbon fiber, soles, laces, etc...everything seemed exact. Yes shipping was a bit slow but I received them ahead of time, and ever since then I've worn the same shoes that ordered from SDS, and by the looks of it shoe store employees from FTL, FNL, Champs, and peeps on the street still give me compliments even though I got them from SDS. Btw I even wore them on RD when Jams came out and people in line were asking questions and didn't notice anything wrong.
So all in all, I think SDS is legit. AR's shoes I wouldn't know because I've never ordered from him but people say he's legit, if that's the case then so be it. I'm not here to point fingers and look at them suspicious and argue over authentic shoes. For those who ordered from SDS, AR, VMVinc, etc...enjoy your shoes, wear them, stock them, do whatever you wan't with them. Just don't blame others, at the end the decision to purchase was ALL YOU. No one else.
Originally Posted by ninjahood
Originally Posted by Zyzz
bottom line. these space jams are not 09 space jams, they are made with left over materials and made in 2010 or 11. now, if i were some of you guys that bought them id be pissed so i think you should get your money back. this was clearly an honest mistake in which both parties were fooled by the supplier.
the shoes are authentic but not exactly real. we will call them a remake and leave it at that.
and onto the Concords, they will be real. i already made a bet with another seller and SDS will not go and sell fake future release. the factory is making these now for everyone for the December release and thats where they are coming from.
so why are people crying right now? if they're made in real nike factories with real materials whats da big deal? hell if slam dunkspace can tell that supplier to magically remake other XI's at da snap of their fingers..wouldn't that be a good thing?
Why? I'm not here to point anyone out, I'm just giving my own opinion, which is allowed right?Originally Posted by Magic1978
Originally Posted by OG2345
Why don't we all end this talk about fake or not fakes right now and just wait until AR and SDS XI's arrive to those who ordered. It's really dumb how we're all pointing fingers like little kids at each other for saying this or that. We're on 300+ pgs already and we're not even close to December yet.
But idk, that's just me. Let's be more realistic and just wait it out, maybe once December comes by and we get more XI's from store and site retailers then we'll all compare, milky toes, insoles, whatever. For now let's just talk about the hype of this shoe and not talk about other people and their bible stories.
I've ordered from SDS when he first got his Jams stock back in Oct/Nov of 2009 and they came with everything included, I never went onto doing detective work and finding out whether this was authentic or if it had a hole inside the shoe. As soon as RD came around December 2009 and got my 2nd pair of Jams, I compared both shoes, boxes, shoe trees, carbon fiber, soles, laces, etc...everything seemed exact. Yes shipping was a bit slow but I received them ahead of time, and ever since then I've worn the same shoes that ordered from SDS, and by the looks of it shoe store employees from FTL, FNL, Champs, and peeps on the street still give me compliments even though I got them from SDS. Btw I even wore them on RD when Jams came out and people in line were asking questions and didn't notice anything wrong.
So all in all, I think SDS is legit. AR's shoes I wouldn't know because I've never ordered from him but people say he's legit, if that's the case then so be it. I'm not here to point fingers and look at them suspicious and argue over authentic shoes. For those who ordered from SDS, AR, VMVinc, etc...enjoy your shoes, wear them, stock them, do whatever you wan't with them. Just don't blame others, at the end the decision to purchase was ALL YOU. No one else.
You should be embarrassed you hit post for this.
i agree that legit shoes can come in a fake box. especially from overseas. but i think you're missing a crucial aspect. people are upset that SLAMDUNKSPACE never stated on their website that they sell fake/replica boxes. even after they had been exposed for selling these fake boxes, they continued to post on twitter that they "only sell 100 percent real boxes and accessories." that is lying and you lose credibility.Originally Posted by cubanref
Still not understanding how a fake box=fake shoes?
So how about the people that bought CG's from eastbay that came either regular Jordan boxes or unmarked Nike boxes? Those are fake too.....
Say you buy a display item from best buy and they put it in an unmarked box, does that make the tv fake...
Thank you! I said that a couple pages back but three2three was quick to call me a trollOriginally Posted by cubanref
Still not understanding how a fake box=fake shoes?
So how about the people that bought CG's from eastbay that came either regular Jordan boxes or unmarked Nike boxes? Those are fake too.....
Say you buy a display item from best buy and they put it in an unmarked box, does that make the tv fake...
Originally Posted by AirNoel2345
Originally Posted by ninjahood
Originally Posted by Zyzz
bottom line. these space jams are not 09 space jams, they are made with left over materials and made in 2010 or 11. now, if i were some of you guys that bought them id be pissed so i think you should get your money back. this was clearly an honest mistake in which both parties were fooled by the supplier.
the shoes are authentic but not exactly real. we will call them a remake and leave it at that.
and onto the Concords, they will be real. i already made a bet with another seller and SDS will not go and sell fake future release. the factory is making these now for everyone for the December release and thats where they are coming from.
so why are people crying right now? if they're made in real nike factories with real materials whats da big deal? hell if slam dunkspace can tell that supplier to magically remake other XI's at da snap of their fingers..wouldn't that be a good thing?
Word. I think I might hit up Jay before he trashes these to get a good deal on a pair. Made by the same hands in the same place with the same materials... Being someone who takes damn good care of their shoes...Sounds like a good J to beat up and wear where ever when ever. If it's all the same materials, and same quality. Y'all won't be able to tell after 1 week cuz theyll already have turned yellow as hell lol.
Originally Posted by Zyzz
ill end this whole thing right now
SDS has never ever sold fake shoes. theres tons of his customers on here and plenty other sites over the last 1-2 years. ive gotten all 100% authentic shoes, from SJ and CGs with everything exact like in store also with the price tag flap. no doubt about the shoes are 100% real its all hes sold.
He got duped with the "restock" space jams. the shoes aren't fake so to say. they are authentic but remake of left over and other shoes. the reason for the holes in the shoe is because its the bottom of the cool greys. left over materials by the factory then used to make these space jams.
remade boxes since obviously they didn't have space jam boxes sitting around from 2 years ago, remade tags as well.
SDS did not know what the deal was with these til he asked the supplier yesterday. he assumed just like other sites he was buying normal space jams.
when your long trusting supplier comes up to you and tells you hey i got some space jams for this great price, wanna buy them? what do you do? you know the shoes will sell quickly so of course you buy them up since you've known the supplier and want to make money.
SDS hasnt sold any fakes and never will with the exception of this shoe which he got fooled with as well as other sites.
bottom line. these space jams are not 09 space jams, they are made with left over materials and made in 2010 or 11. now, if i were some of you guys that bought them id be pissed so i think you should get your money back. this was clearly an honest mistake in which both parties were fooled by the supplier.
the shoes are authentic but not exactly real. we will call them a remake and leave it at that.
and onto the Concords, they will be real. i already made a bet with another seller and SDS will not go and sell fake future release. the factory is making these now for everyone for the December release and thats where they are coming from.
Originally Posted by KOBEFTW
i agree that legit shoes can come in a fake box. especially from overseas. but i think you're missing a crucial aspect. people are upset that SLAMDUNKSPACE never stated on their website that they sell fake/replica boxes. even after they had been exposed for selling these fake boxes, they continued to post on twitter that they "only sell 100 percent real boxes and accessories." that is lying and you lose credibility.Originally Posted by cubanref
Still not understanding how a fake box=fake shoes?
So how about the people that bought CG's from eastbay that came either regular Jordan boxes or unmarked Nike boxes? Those are fake too.....
Say you buy a display item from best buy and they put it in an unmarked box, does that make the tv fake...
i would think when one says 100% authentic they are implying the accessories are authentic too. it was not noted that the box, paper, etc were fake.Originally Posted by cubanref
Still not understanding how a fake box=fake shoes?
So how about the people that bought CG's from eastbay that came either regular Jordan boxes or unmarked Nike boxes? Those are fake too.....
Say you buy a display item from best buy and they put it in an unmarked box, does that make the tv fake...
ninja basically said what I was thinking.Originally Posted by ninjahood
milky toes?ya can't be serious on this thread.....
all those preproduction sneakers are all real, ya act like OG releases weren't restocked to death ALL season long in da 90's and were different every time out.