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AOC, Gianaris And Other NY Politicians Should Apologize To American Workers For Amazon Pullout
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New York City Councilman Jimmy Van Bramer, center, speaks during a conference in Gordon Triangle Park in the Queens borough of New York, following Amazon’s announcement it would abandon its proposed headquarters for the area, Thursday Feb. 14, 2019. (AP Photo/Bebeto Matthews)ASSOCIATED PRESS

In a decision with massive consequences to the labor market, Amazon announced yesterday that it is pulling out of it’s plans to build HQ2 in New York as a result of unwillingness to cooperate from key politicians in the state. Criticism, from the likes of Congresswoman Ocasio-Cortez and State Senator Michael Gianaris, has centered around the $3B in tax deferments and subsidies that Amazon would receive over a decade, dependent on the creation of thousands of new high-paying jobs in New York City.


Congresswoman Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, in a classic example of what hip-hop artist Drake would refer to as trigger fingers [turning to] Twitter fingers, took to her favorite medium after the news broke proclaiming victory for the local workers in “defeating the power of the richest man in the world.” She followed this up by noting the $3B was subsidizing those 25,000 jobs and would now be available to fund more worthy activities. The issue with this take is that the incentives were based on future expected payouts that now don’t exist- there is no secret $3B money pile that can be reallocated. It’s a lazy take that spreads misinformation, displays a stunning lack of economic knowledge, and takes a highly complicated and nuanced issue and boils it down to a black and white soundbite shouted from atop a proverbial high horse.

The freshman congresswoman, however, is hardly the only one at fault. In reality, she was scarcely involved in the deal. The fallout is far more tied to local politicians such as Michael Gianaris and activist groups who were unyielding in their public criticism and adopted an uncompromising stance on necessary approvals and future work even after the announcement.


However, the misunderstanding of the deal structure, especially given the reach of Representative Ocasio-Cortez’s platform, is problematic because it underpins a larger problem that is becoming pervasive in American politics: the rise of the pandering populist.

Politicians on both sides of the aisle are jumping on populist narratives. The rising one on the Left has become the villainization of Amazon, Bezos, and the billionaire corporate class as a whole. The largest issue with this movement, especially in how it’s played out in NYC, is that this populism isn’t actually representative of the majority. In a classic case of the squeaky wheel getting the grease, populist politicians are embracing simplified narratives to score political points with short-term decision making replacing the long-term will of the people. Amazon cites a 70% favorability amongst New Yorkers that want Amazon to enter the city in their statement announcing the pullout. A third-party poll by Siena College Research Institute further confirms the will of the majority citing 56% as in-favor of the corporation entering the city. Catering to the loudest voice, in lieu of supporting the democratic will, has profound consequences if not addressed.


https://www.forbes.com/sites/aakash...e-to-american-workers-for-amazon-pullout/amp/


The harsh reality for Mr. Robinson and other New Yorkers is that there is no back up plan. The rise of the pandering populist politicians, who seem to service a narrative more than the workforce, is a failure in governance and representative democracy. As the labor markets change dramatically, compromise, nuance, and the ability to work with corporate counterparts will be key to creating the best workforce outcomes.
 
When you can't get da broad out your mind. Gon be a long next few years for you.

mama ain't gonna last past 2020, infact its a shame seein as though she's now da titular piñata for socialist scarying away business in NYC.

you can guarantee that da established democrats are already plotting on primarying her since she's made some enemies with this Amazon blunder.
 
thats how i KNOW u dunno what ur talking about....da majority of da work force already resides in NYC hence why Amazon picked Long Island City, and last time i checked, economic growth isn't a bad thing.
You really think Amazon are only gonna hire local. :rofl: Get real, Amazon could give a **** where you live because they know people are more than happy to relocate to work for them. Chances are, majority of the people Amazon will be hiring will be transplants. There's a difference between economic growth and the Amazon ripple, which is what happened to Seattle.
 
I don’t understand how a single, freshman congresswoman can destroy a deal the biggest company in the world made with the biggest city in the country (hint: she couldn’t). Amazon didn’t like the criticism they received and took their ball home.

AOC is the Boogeyman republicans have been dreaming about.
 
I don’t understand how a single, freshman congresswoman can destroy a deal the biggest company in the world made with the biggest city in the country (hint: she couldn’t). Amazon didn’t like the criticism they received and took their ball home.

AOC is the Boogeyman republicans have been dreaming about.
She’s everything they could ever ask for in terms of scapegoating. It’s so sad and pathetic.
 
I don’t understand how a single, freshman congresswoman can destroy a deal the biggest company in the world made with the biggest city in the country (hint: she couldn’t). Amazon didn’t like the criticism they received and took their ball home.

AOC is the Boogeyman republicans have been dreaming about.
She can’t. It’s their racial/sexist target they’ll use for years to come. They’re still talking about and blaming Hilary..... think about that
 
You really think Amazon are only gonna hire local. :rofl: Get real, Amazon could give a **** where you live because they know people are more than happy to relocate to work for them. Chances are, majority of the people Amazon will be hiring will be transplants. There's a difference between economic growth and the Amazon ripple, which is what happened to Seattle.
Yup, they’ll be a boom in work visas too. People don’t understand how this works
 
You really think Amazon are only gonna hire local. :rofl: Get real, Amazon could give a **** where you live because they know people are more than happy to relocate to work for them. Chances are, majority of the people Amazon will be hiring will be transplants. There's a difference between economic growth and the Amazon ripple, which is what happened to Seattle.


Wow wow wowwww...you guys are so hung up regurgitating the talking points of the left, you aren’t even worried about inaccuracies.

It has already been mentioned in this thread NY is a leader among tech jobs, it means we already have a work force in the city ready to go...they already live here.
This is not middle of nowhere Alabama...or even Detroit. The city has the workforce.
Even if SOME jobs were given to people from out of town do you think it would even be as high as 50%?

Again, let’s think logically. Think of the cleaning crew that would have to work maintenance in the building...you think they hiring cleaning services from out of town? Or would the company hire local?
I mean the fact that you can be so certain that all jobs were going to out of towners just shows how quickly people jumping to conclusion these days.

You can’t tell me that NY is among leaders of the country for tech jobs and then argue to me why we wouldn’t have the work force for tech jobs.

If any of you actually read the bolded parts in NH posts you would see that it was AOC and other local politicians that were misinformed. But ya hate NH so much you chalk it up to being scared of women.
 
Wow wow wowwww...you guys are so hung up regurgitating the talking points of the left, you aren’t even worried about inaccuracies.

It has already been mentioned in this thread NY is a leader among tech jobs, it means we already have a work force in the city ready to go...they already live here.
This is not middle of nowhere Alabama...or even Detroit. The city has the workforce.
Even if SOME jobs were given to people from out of town do you think it would even be as high as 50%?

Again, let’s think logically. Think of the cleaning crew that would have to work maintenance in the building...you think they hiring cleaning services from out of town? Or would the company hire local?
I mean the fact that you can be so certain that all jobs were going to out of towners just shows how quickly people jumping to conclusion these days.

You can’t tell me that NY is among leaders of the country for tech jobs and then argue to me why we wouldn’t have the work force for tech jobs.

If any of you actually read the bolded parts in NH posts you would see that it was AOC and other local politicians that were misinformed. But ya hate NH so much you chalk it up to being scared of women.
Your argument has devolved to the cleaning crew now? :rofl:
 
-You seems to misunderstand how the business tax cut and incentive game works. You are thinking of the tax break as like a one time payment to Amazon to reap all the benefits, but it doesn't work like that. You have to consider the distortionary effects they have on revenue and spending in the long run, and the bad unintended consequences of having Amazon in your city. It is a cost-benefit analysis. Do the benefits out out weigh the cost.

-The real benefits to having Amazon in your city is the extra tax revenue. From taxing the organization itself, taxing their employees, and taxing the increased value of the land. The cost is improving the infrastructure, medical services, schools, etc. to support the extra people. Also it is deal with the negatives like the housing crisis, and congestion, it will cause. If you then break Amazon the off with tax breaks, if lowers the amount of benefits you get from the deal.

So maybe you would collect more in tax revenue, but overall you have less money to spend on improving the lives on the citizens already living there because a) you have to spend to just support to new Amazon employees b) the current residents get priced out the area or become homeless. They reap no benefits and in some cases their lives have been made worst.

So in the end you don't get all these benefits. You get a situation where there is more inequality in your city and the extra revenue is being used to support you taking on Amazon in the first place.

-Your argument that things are already bad in Long Island City so it doesn't really matter is not an argument I can respect. It can get worst, you can turn a housing affordability problem into a housing and homelessness crisis. If someone can barely afford rent in the area now, why would they welcome a entity that will make their rent jump 30-80%? You wanted guilt trip me about not living in NYC. But you don't live in Long Island City, now do you? So you're cool with more people being priced out of the area in the name of gentrification, but are giving little to no thought as to what comes next for these people. It is like saying someone has pre-diabetes so what is the point of them not injecting table sugar into their veins. Things are already bad, so why make them worst. This is the foundation of your argument, yet you somehow can't see why people would have a problem with it.

-Lastly Amazon could have scouted locations, find the best one for them, and then announce the headquarter without seeking incentives. You are right they don't need NY, they also don't need tax breaks and incentives to pick a new location. Without incentives they would probably just pick the locations that work best for their business. Like one with an international airport close by, and a university system to feed them students. It is no surprise the locations the did pick and were considering had those things already.

Instead they made a big public deal of it, activist and some local officials know what happens in other cities so they raised their concerns. Amazon could have followed through with their plans, but instead they throw a hissy fit. They not only want what is best for their business, they want cities to pay them for the supposed privileged of them being there, and to shut up any legit concerns people have about their coming.

This whole PR stunt with calling out AOC is just a warning to other locations not to do the same thing. You are demanding local officials play the hand they are dealt, so why can't Amazon? Why can't they accept people care about the homelessness, and congestion. Why can't they accept that this form of corporate welfare is something folk don't want to support. If this was some struggling town in the middle on no where, I would be more sympathetic to Amazon's position, but it is not doing that. They want to reap the benefits of the location, get subsidized for doing so, and never be made to face the negative effects of their move.

**** em

So I read this whole thing. I understand your concern but I don’t know that it is valid beyond repeating typical talking points of the left.

First off, to make the reach that all of the jobs were going to go to transplants is nothing more than a reach.
So this assumption that we’ll have to build all this infrastructure to house 25k people is founded on nothing more than a feeling.

You asked me if I live in LIC. I don’t. But I’m in Astoria on a regular basis as I have offices there. I know the area well.

So for those of us that know the nuances in the city, I can tell you that whole section of Astoria/LIC has a bunch of new developments that are already going up or have gone up.
These are luxury rentals. The working class that you worried about being priced out of their homes aren’t the ones moving there.

Also news flash, these “highly skilled” amazon workers aren’t moving to the projects on Vernon. Or to Roosevelt Ave in Corona.
The average income in LIC is almost $60k.
You gotta stop talking like everyone in NY is a single mother with 3 kids.

Bottom line is LIC would’ve been a great location to build these headquarters. I can tell you this cause I know the area well. I actually speak to local small business owners from the area...they wanted Amazon.
I speak to people from the area of all income brackets...they wanted Amazon.
The polls show that NYers wanted Amazon.

But you keep talking like you saving us from ourselves. Spare me the gentrification talk.
It’s one of the most diverse communities in the world. Ya worried about a couple yuppies?

As a felllow liberal thinker ima tell you we gotta do better. When it comes to all partisan issues I can bet my last dollar I know what side of the argument Rusty and NH will be on.
Cats gotta start thinking critically out here.
Don’t give Trump the presidency on a silver platter.
 
You really think Amazon are only gonna hire local. :rofl: Get real

umm da deal predicated on them hiring 25,000 for them to hit tax incentives...sounds like you dunno what you're talking about.... especially when it came to ancillary jobs that wouldve benefited and a HUGE tax base da state and city would have drawn from.
 
Your argument has devolved to the cleaning crew now? :rofl:

If I let you guys tell it, the cleaning crew would’ve got flown in from Seattle.

Let me ask you something. You really think all new hires for the company would’ve been from out of town?
NY don’t have a workforce or something?
I really want to make sure this is the argument for the greatest city in the world.
 
If I let you guys tell it, the cleaning crew would’ve got flown in from Seattle.

Let me ask you something. You really think all new hires for the company would’ve been from out of town?
NY don’t have a workforce or something?
I really want to make sure this is the argument for the greatest city in the world.
1. A cleaning crew members wage isn’t even enough to love anywhere near the area so it’s a joke to even bring that up
2. Nobody said ALL
3. Inform yourself of busniess practices for companies opening new offices
4. Amazon is able to do all this untaxed. THAT is the major problem. The growth of the area, which is their “promise”, once again relies on the middle/mid low class. I don’t understand why that’s so hard to understand
 
If I let you guys tell it, the cleaning crew would’ve got flown in from Seattle.

cats don't understand local economics...da amount of secondary industries that would've been needed to assist Amazon being here would've been massive...

-construction

-Hvac

-civil engineering in terms of plumbing, roads,

-IT work

-electrical, etc.

lets not even talk about restaurants and other local businesses that would've thrived having a working force with that much disposable income...

Build more affordable housing and people wouldn't be so mad.

we ALREADY have a mandatory inclusionary housing program that launched 4-5 years ago, thats why da bronx got new buildings sprouting up like mushrooms.


I don’t understand how a single, freshman congresswoman can destroy a deal the biggest company in the world made with the biggest city in the country (hint: she couldn’t

Governor Cuomo(a democrat) basically singled her as one of da main reasons Amazon bounced.
 
Those local small businesses would eventually be priced out when the rent doubles as a result. The greatest benefit of this would’ve been the boost to property values but who does that really benefit in the grand scheme of things?
 
4. Amazon is able to do all this untaxed

:lol: they were gonna pay 27 billion in state and local taxes..da 3 billion was discount that doesn't exist if Amazon doesn't move here.

da fact that people are snobbish on jobs like cleaning that would've been money that wasn't here before shows how bad these guys are at when it comes to seeing local economic growth.
 
cats don't understand local economics...da amount of secondary industries that would've been needed to assist Amazon being here would've been massive...

-construction

-Hvac

-civil engineering in terms of plumbing, roads,

-IT work

-electrical, etc.

lets not even talk about restaurants and other local businesses that would've thrived having a working force with that much disposable income...



we ALREADY have a mandatory inclusionary housing program that launched 4-5 years ago, thats why da bronx got new buildings sprouting up like mushrooms.


Governor Cuomo(a democrat) basically singled her as one of da main reasons Amazon bounced.

I think the worry people have is Amazon will turn new york into silicon valley, where the only people who can afford to live there are millionares and heroin addicts.

Amazon should have included some huge push for affordable housing in the deal to avoid backlash.
 
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