I understand it being vague but I was responding to someones post that tried to support the dumb notion that all scientist or philosophers are atheist. I dont really care to try to convert anyone to a non believer or believer but I look at atheism as a religion also because atheist "BELIEVE" there is no God. Maybe not a religion by definition but the philosophies are the same because many people believe in Jesus and dont considered themselves part of a religion.Originally Posted by asu334
Oh really? Jesus was a carpenter. So...Originally Posted by theprocessofbelief
If I told you Jesus said it you still wouldnt believe it so dont worry about it
What I was alluding to is you were commenting on someones posts and the gist of your post was,
"Some scientist who won a Noble Prize said you have to believe in God"
Forgive me if that is a little to vague for my taste. And to offer a counter-point, I am sure there has also been an Atheist who has won a Nobel Prize in science who refuted peoples beliefs in God.
Originally Posted by theprocessofbelief
I understand it being vague but I was responding to someones post that tried to support the dumb notion that all scientist or philosophers are atheist. I dont really care to try to convert anyone to a non believer or believer but I look at atheism as a religion also because atheist "BELIEVE" there is no God. Maybe not a religion by definition but the philosophies are the same because many people believe in Jesus and dont considered themselves part of a religion.Originally Posted by asu334
Oh really? Jesus was a carpenter. So...Originally Posted by theprocessofbelief
If I told you Jesus said it you still wouldnt believe it so dont worry about it
What I was alluding to is you were commenting on someones posts and the gist of your post was,
"Some scientist who won a Noble Prize said you have to believe in God"
Forgive me if that is a little to vague for my taste. And to offer a counter-point, I am sure there has also been an Atheist who has won a Nobel Prize in science who refuted peoples beliefs in God.
Like my favorite athiest bill maher says "Im not saying theres no God Im just saying I dont know, nothing logically gives me a reason to believe in one tho"
When we say "Bless You" or "God Bless" its like good luck but for us its much higher and we're asking God to bless you. Sono disrespect.
I implore any of the faithful to give me reason to believe. Proof isn't there, I know this. But please give me reason to believe. Also, tell me why you believe. What has happened in your life to cause you to give thanks to a deity that proves his worthlessness every day? Don't tell me about your promises of eternal happiness or whatever. Why do you live your life judging people in the name of some intangible wizard? Why do you choose to be ignorant just to genuflect to the unproven? You can't do it without stating some ridiculous scripture. You can't do it with proof or solid theory.
First off when you say judging, do you mean like "your going to hell because your a sinner" or "your fat and your going todie"? Worthless because He doesn't solve all our problems and grant wishes or worthless because bad stuff happens to good people? And aren't youbeing judgmental by calling us ignorant and calling our beliefs ridiculous? Sounds like it duke. And if we can't use scripture then you can't usescience or other theories to help prove your beliefs. You dudes be sounding REAL angry when you talk to us like we slapped your mother or something. I believein God/Jesus because its what I have faith in. I believe Jesus is my savior. You have faith in science and human theory. What else do you want me to tell you?How are you going to say "give me a reason to believe" but you've already canceling out what we can and can't say.
Also, I not only believe that there isn't a god, I am glad there isn't. The idea of a god is as destructive as the things that have been done in his name. If there was a god, and believe me- there isn't, why are we better for having one? What benefits has god given us? What 'blessings' have been bestowed upon you because of your insistence to believe in something that you have no proof of?
OK what makes you so sure there isn't a God? If we say we know God is there then we're wrong and we get the book thrown at us for claiming to knowsomething we have never seen. You have NO proof there isn't a God. And the benefit of being able to prove ourselves is a blessing in its self. Don'tblame God for our natural destructive ways. If there wasn't a God we would destroy in the name of something else. We have riots over sports. Don't drag God through the mood for human error.
Now I consider myself a follower of Christ but what part is fear?
RKO2004 wrote:
I implore any of the faithful to give me reason to believe. Proof isn't there, I know this. But please give me reason to believe. Also, tell me why you believe. What has happened in your life to cause you to give thanks to a deity that proves his worthlessness every day? Don't tell me about your promises of eternal happiness or whatever. Why do you live your life judging people in the name of some intangible wizard? Why do you choose to be ignorant just to genuflect to the unproven? You can't do it without stating some ridiculous scripture. You can't do it with proof or solid theory.
First off when you say judging, do you mean like "your going to hell because your a sinner" or "your fat and your going to die"? Worthless because He doesn't solve all our problems and grant wishes or worthless because bad stuff happens to good people? And aren't you being judgmental by calling us ignorant and calling our beliefs ridiculous? Sounds like it duke. And if we can't use scripture then you can't use science or other theories to help prove your beliefs. You dudes be sounding REAL angry when you talk to us like we slapped your mother or something. I believe in God/Jesus because its what I have faith in. I believe Jesus is my savior. You have faith in science and human theory. What else do you want me to tell you? How are you going to say "give me a reason to believe" but you've already canceling out what we can and can't say.
Why can't I use facts to prove something? There is a difference between using science and scripture to prove something. If the bible is yourevidence, then why isn't the quran your proof to be muslim?
Yeah I mean judgmental when telling people who is a sinner and why. That is judgmental. I too am being judgmental....but there is a difference. My judgmentshaven't be the reasons for wars, persecution, or stomping on a pulpit in the name of "everlasting life." My judgments don't portray anythingabout what I think happens to you after you die. My judgments don't see certain expressions of love as inferior or cause for damnation. My judgments willnever cast anyone to fires of hell only to kick it with a guy with a pitchfork and pointy tail. I can see someone cheat on their wife and have disgust thathas nothing to do with their place in the heaven.
And I do believe it is ignorance if you choose to ignore the proven in the name of the unproven.
OK what makes you so sure there isn't a God? If we say we know God is there then we're wrong and we get the book thrown at us for claiming to know something we have never seen. You have NO proof there isn't a God. And the benefit of being able to prove ourselves is a blessing in its self. Don't blame God for our natural destructive ways. If there wasn't a God we would destroy in the name of something else. We have riots over sports. Don't drag God through the mood for human error.
First off- how do you prove something doesn't exist? Why is that onus on the faithless? I never understand that! Why is it up to me to prove thatsomething I don't believe in doesn't exist? If you tell me you can jump six feet off the ground, would you ask me to provethat you can't?
The fact that you proclaim your faith is also evidence. If the existence of god was proven you wouldn't mention your 'faith in god,' you would betalking about the science of god.
I woke up. I have been a admitted atheist for about 12 years....and probably the 5 before that I strongly questioned it. I quit ignoring logic inthe name of something that has NEVER been proven to exist.
seriously
