Barack I don't get it

[bostonthreeparty]

this is what happens when you give the Government this much power

 

[j burner]

Originally Posted by NostrandAve68

The average American is so stupid, it really surprises me. How any intelligent person thought that the culmination of horrible economic policy and the bursting of a housing bubble over the course of 3-4yrs would some how be solved in the course of 6 months is astonishing. Do people not realize that America was on the brink of economic collapse NO President can solve that in the course of a few months.

Where were you when Obama said that was exactly what he was going to do?

 

[elgrenas]

Originally Posted by J Burner

Originally Posted by franchise3

The lamest arguement about Obama is this whole sporting events, doing brackets, when he should be running the country nonsense.

Same dudes who didn't vote Obama, voted Bush but weren't complaining when he spends half the year on his ranch.

The point is, he's running the country. People may not agree with his policies, but it's not like he's slacking.

He's been engaged holding news conferences and whatnot. Like the one tonight. Of course people will complain how he's always on TV, but isn't that what you want in a President? Getting asked questions, shed some light on the state of our country.

Of course though, people will complain how it's a left wing media bias, and how they threw him easy softball questions.

I didn't vote for Obama, and I hated Bush . And Obama is right on par with Bush as far as vacations go. He's already been on vacation at least 3 times (that i know of) since his election.

The only reason Obama is going on TV tonight is because his healthcare plan is backfiring, and tanking. He's already held as many press conferences as Bush did over his entire 8 years; the man is just in love with himself, and loves to be on TV. He's not going to be answering any questions, he's going to be saying anything and everything he can to scare the public into believing we need him to change our healthcare systerm. Its more like an infomercial than a press conference (like most of his "town hall crap press conferences")

fixed.
here are some exerps from the healthcare bill.(link http://www.economicpolicyjournal.com/2009/07/whats-in-healthacre-bill.html)

Pg 22 of the HC Bill MANDATES the Govt will audit books of ALL EMPLOYERS that self insure!!

Pg 30 Sec 123 of HC bill - THERE WILL BE A GOVT COMMITTEE that decides what treatments/benes u get

Pg 29 lines 4-16 in the HC bill - YOUR HEALTHCARE IS RATIONED!!!


Pg 42 of HC Bill - The Health Choices Commissioner will choose UR HC Benefits 4 you. U have no choice!

PG 50 Section 152 in HC bill - HC will be provided 2 ALL non US citizens, illegal or otherwise

Pg 58HC Bill - Govt will have real-time access 2 individs finances & a National ID Healthcard will b issued!

Pg 59 HC Bill lines 21-24 Govt will have direct access 2 ur banks accts 4 elect. funds transfer

PG 65 Sec 164 is a payoff subsidized plan 4 retirees and their families in Unions & community orgs (ACORN).

Pg 72 Lines 8-14 Govt is creating an HC Exchange 2 bring priv HC plans under Govt control.

PG 84 Sec 203 HC bill - Govt mandates ALL benefit pkgs 4 priv. HC plans in the Exchange

PG 85 Line 7 HC Bill - Specs for of Benefit Levels for Plans = The Govt will ration ur Healthcare!

PG 91 Lines 4-7 HC Bill - Govt mandates linguistic approp svcs. Example - Translation 4 illegal aliens

Pg 95 HC Bill Lines 8-18 The Govt will use groups i.e., ACORN & Americorps 2 sign up indiv. for Govt HC plan

PG 85 Line 7 HC Bill - Specs of Ben Levels 4 Plans. #AARP members - U Health care WILL b rationed

-PG 102 Lines 12-18 HC Bill - Medicaid Eligible Indiv. will b automat.enrolled in Medicaid. No choice

pg 124 lines 24-25 HC No company can sue GOVT on price fixing. No "judicial review" against Govt Monop

pg 127 Lines 1-16 HC Bill - Doctors/ #AMA - The Govt will tell YOU what u can make.

Pg 145 Line 15-17 An Employer MUST auto enroll employees into pub opt plan. NO CHOICE

Pg 126 Lines 22-25 Employers MUST pay 4 HC 4 part time employees AND their families.

Pg 149 Lines 16-24 ANY Emplyr w payroll 400k & above who does not prov. pub opt. pays 8% tax on all payroll

pg 150 Lines 9-13 Biz w payroll btw 251k & 400k who doesnt prov. pub. opt pays 2-6% tax on all payroll

Pg 167 Lines 18-23 ANY individual who doesnt have acceptable HC accrdng 2 Govt will be taxed 2.5% of inc

Pg 170 Lines 1-3 HC Bill Any NONRESIDENT Alien is exempt from indiv. taxes. (Americans will pay)

Pg 195 HC Bill -officers & employees of HC Admin (GOVT) will have access 2 ALL Americans finan/pers recs

PG 203 Line 14-15 HC - "The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax" Yes, it says that

Pg 239 Line 14-24 HC Bill Govt will reduce physician svcs 4 Medicaid. Seniors, low income, poor affected

Pg 241 Line 6-8 HC Bill - Doctors, doesnt matter what specialty u have, you'll all be paid the same

PG 253 Line 10-18 Govt sets value of Dr's time, prof judg, etc. Literally value of humans.

PG 265 Sec 1131Govt mandates & controls productivity for private HC industries

PG 268 Sec 1141 Fed Govt regulates rental & purchase of power driven wheelchairs

PG 272 SEC. 1145. TREATMENT OF CERTAIN CANCER HOSPITALS - Cancer patients - welcome to rationing!

Page 280 Sec 1151 The Govt will penalize hospitals 4 what Govt deems preventable readmissions.

Pg 298 Lines 9-11 Drs, treat a patient during initial admiss that results in a readmiss-Govt will penalize u.

Pg 317 L 13-20 OMG!! PROHIBITION on ownership/investment. Govt tells Drs. what/how much they can own.

Pg 317-318 lines 21-25,1-3 PROHIBITION on expansion- Govt is mandating hospitals cannot expand

pg 321 2-13 Hospitals have oppt to apply for exception BUT community input required. Can u say ACORN?!!

Pg335 L 16-25 Pg 336-339 - Govt mandates estab. of outcome based measures. HC the way they want. Rationing

Pg 341 Lines 3-9 Govt has authority 2 disqual Medicare Adv Plans, HMOs, etc. Forcing peeps in2 Govt plan

Pg 354 Sec 1177 - Govt will RESTRICT enrollment of Special needs ppl! !%!. My sis has down syndrome!!

Pg 379 Sec 1191 Govt creates more bureaucracy - Telehealth Advisory Cmtte. Can u say HC by phone?

PG 425 Lines 4-12 Govt mandates Advance Care Planning Consult. Think Senior Citizens end of life

Pg 425 Lines 17-19 Govt will instruct & consult regarding living wills, durable powers of atty. Mandatory!

PG 425 Lines 22-25, 426 Lines 1-3 Govt provides apprvd list of end of life resources, guiding u in death

PG 427 Lines 15-24 Govt mandates program 4 orders 4 end of life. The Govt has a say in how ur life ends

Pg 429 Lines 1-9 An "adv. care planning consult" will b used frequently as patients health deteriorates

PG 429 Lines 10-12 "adv. care consultation" may incl an ORDER 4 end of life plans. AN ORDER from GOV

Pg 429 Lines 13-25 - The govt will specify which Doctors can write an end of life order.

PG 430 Lines 11-15 The Govt will decide what level of treatment u will have at end of life

Pg 469 - Community Based Home Medical Services=Non profit orgs. Hello, ACORN Medical Svcs here!!?

Page 472 Lines 14-17 PAYMENT TO COMMUNITY-BASED ORG. 1 monthly payment 2 a community-based org. Like ACORN?

PG 489 Sec 1308 The Govt will cover Marriage & Family therapy. Which means they will insert Govt in2 ur marriage

Pg 494-498 Govt will cover Mental Health Svcs including defining, creating, rationing those svcs

 

[coolnificent]

Originally Posted by kix4kix

Raise your hand if you didn't vote for Obama

*Raises Hand*

*raises hand*

 

[eight2one]

yall act like this is such an easy job....especially with the hole W. left us in.

 

[ph3n0m3n0n]

well OP you and your mom better hurry on over to the F-35 facilities eh?

Barack ain't doing such a bad job. we haven't been attacked yet and I still have my job. usps delivers even in recession.

and conservatives are weird. Y'all know nothing works but continue to act like things would be much different with a different figurehead in office.

 

[Betonblck]

Originally Posted by JRose5

Originally Posted by kix4kix

Raise your hand if you didn't vote for Obama

*Raises Hand*

Raises hand.

Obama has done nothing but jabber and jabber. I guarantee he won't get a second term.

Originally Posted by J Burner

The rest of us tried to warn you. We saw this coming BEFORE he was even elected. No complaining now, ya'll made your bed, now lay in it.

Exactly.

Gee, I wonder why most people voted for Obama?

Originally Posted by J Burner

People that can still defend Obama baffle me. It doesn't get any more ignorant...

Amen. He's a joke.

Also, I'm so sick of him being at every sporting event and talking about sports all the time when he should be running the country.




JR5

Jabber and Jabber?

Passing a $787 billion stimulus bill is jabber?

Healthcare reform is jabber?

You're better off just saying you don't like him and that's it, instead of "jabbering" a bunch of nonsense.

 

[theconditioner]

In all honesty, F22s are the last thing this country needs, so I am happy the vote passed. In my opinion, defense spending SHOULD be cut even further. Ireally hate the fact that my tax dollars go toward building weapons of mass destruction, when at the same time I cannot afford health insurance.

And

@ everyone for hating Obama no matter whatdecision he makes...or defending him no matter what decision he makes. The irrational polarization has got to stop.

 

[j burner]

Originally Posted by cguy610

Jabber and Jabber?

Passing a $787 billion stimulus bill is jabber?

Healthcare reform is jabber?

You're better off just saying you don't like him and that's it, instead of "jabbering" a bunch of nonsense.

yes, yes, and yes again.

The hell you jabbering about? The stimulus bill was all talk, didn't do a thing he said it would = jabber. His healthcare reform is a huge joke (take alook a few posts above) yet all he does is "jabber jabber" about how bad we need it, when the fact is we have the best healthcare on the planet.

 

[elgrenas]

Originally Posted by J Burner

Originally Posted by cguy610

Jabber and Jabber?

Passing a $787 billion stimulus bill is jabber?

Healthcare reform is jabber?

You're better off just saying you don't like him and that's it, instead of "jabbering" a bunch of nonsense.

yes, yes, and yes again.

The hell you jabbering about? The stimulus bill was all talk, didn't do a thing he said it would = jabber. His healthcare reform is a huge joke (take a look a few posts above) yet all he does is "jabber jabber" about how bad we need it, when the fact is we have the best healthcare on the planet.


well j burner these sheep will never wake up. during the election hussein obama came out and said i will get this economy going, over 2 million jobs lost withhis stimulus bill passed. 1 question if the healthcare is so bad and need reform like he calls it. why when they passed the porkulus bill, they didnt givemillions to hospitals or any other medical field thats in need money. no they didnt. he says that the GOP is fear mongoring, when he is the one and only onethat is using that tactic. look at the stimulus "oh it will be a catastrophy if we dont pass it" and now with the healthcare " milliions withouthealthcare" i guess he is including all the peeps that dont want healthcare and all the illegals that dont have it either. and yes i am mexican. so i askall the people that have lost their jobs and are about to loose their jobs and voted for this guy, hows your hope and change.

 

[True Blues]

The 24-hour news cycle has completely fried some of your brains.

A President is not made in the first 6 months.

This hyperbolic discussion is completely unnecessary.

 

[essential1]

Originally Posted by J Burner

Originally Posted by cguy610

Jabber and Jabber?

Passing a $787 billion stimulus bill is jabber?

Healthcare reform is jabber?

You're better off just saying you don't like him and that's it, instead of "jabbering" a bunch of nonsense.

yes, yes, and yes again.

The hell you jabbering about? The stimulus bill was all talk, didn't do a thing he said it would = jabber. His healthcare reform is a huge joke (take a look a few posts above) yet all he does is "jabber jabber" about how bad we need it, when the fact is we have the best healthcare on the planet.
10% stimulus spent.. Economists say when the projects actually get out of the gate, instead of being held up by scheduling conflicts and what tospend on, you will have a huge test on whether it worked.

Yes we do have the BEST Health Care in terms of cost.. That World Health Organization of the best Health Care systems was not a subjective opinion poll it wasdone by death rates, etc. etc. etc. 1st in cost 37th in efficiency...

 

[jumpman247]

Wow didn't expect this topic to turn into something like this. I don't hate Obama, I think He's a great guy, I'd just rather see him a VPrather then President right now. I also hope that we don't get attacked, because F-22 is the only big project you heard about being cut, there werehundreds of projects cut, including nano weapons that I was able to see first hand and they were amazing, imagine tiny needles coming out of no where andkilling a suicide bomber, or the enemy instantly. We also have robots that can balance them self and actually walk up stairs, future prep so we don't haveto use actual human beings in war. All the funding for these projects were cut. They'll regret it.

 

[mangudai954]

Originally Posted by HOVKid

Its almost comical how this is unfolding. The dude was a magic trick designed to make everyone go out and vote and think their lives would be different.

Obama is garbage and is trying to turn our country into lametown. It amazes me that all you voted for a socialist fascist in the first place.

Even Nancy Pelosi doesn't agree with him on his crap anymore.....and that woman is a bigger joke than he is.

We would have had Palin in office with some nice high heels looking hot and McCain would have been wrecking house right now. You all are fools.

I was with you till there.

 

[casperjr]

Originally Posted by elgrenas

Originally Posted by J Burner

Originally Posted by cguy610

Jabber and Jabber?

Passing a $787 billion stimulus bill is jabber?

Healthcare reform is jabber?

You're better off just saying you don't like him and that's it, instead of "jabbering" a bunch of nonsense.

yes, yes, and yes again.

The hell you jabbering about? The stimulus bill was all talk, didn't do a thing he said it would = jabber. His healthcare reform is a huge joke (take a look a few posts above) yet all he does is "jabber jabber" about how bad we need it, when the fact is we have the best healthcare on the planet.

well j burner these sheep will never wake up. during the election hussein obama came out and said i will get this economy going, over 2 million jobs lost with his stimulus bill passed. 1 question if the healthcare is so bad and need reform like he calls it. why when they passed the porkulus bill, they didnt give millions to hospitals or any other medical field thats in need money. no they didnt. he says that the GOP is fear mongoring, when he is the one and only one that is using that tactic. look at the stimulus "oh it will be a catastrophy if we dont pass it" and now with the healthcare " milliions without healthcare" i guess he is including all the peeps that dont want healthcare and all the illegals that dont have it either. and yes i am mexican. so i ask all the people that have lost their jobs and are about to loose their jobs and voted for this guy, hows your hope and change.
when you start off anything with that nobody takes anything else you say seriously

 

[elgrenas]

Originally Posted by CasperJr

Originally Posted by elgrenas

Originally Posted by J Burner

Originally Posted by cguy610

Jabber and Jabber?

Passing a $787 billion stimulus bill is jabber?

Healthcare reform is jabber?

You're better off just saying you don't like him and that's it, instead of "jabbering" a bunch of nonsense.

yes, yes, and yes again.

The hell you jabbering about? The stimulus bill was all talk, didn't do a thing he said it would = jabber. His healthcare reform is a huge joke (take a look a few posts above) yet all he does is "jabber jabber" about how bad we need it, when the fact is we have the best healthcare on the planet.

well j burner these sheep will never wake up. during the election hussein obama came out and said i will get this economy going, over 2 million jobs lost with his stimulus bill passed. 1 question if the healthcare is so bad and need reform like he calls it. why when they passed the porkulus bill, they didnt give millions to hospitals or any other medical field thats in need money. no they didnt. he says that the GOP is fear mongoring, when he is the one and only one that is using that tactic. look at the stimulus "oh it will be a catastrophy if we dont pass it" and now with the healthcare " milliions without healthcare" i guess he is including all the peeps that dont want healthcare and all the illegals that dont have it either. and yes i am mexican. so i ask all the people that have lost their jobs and are about to loose their jobs and voted for this guy, hows your hope and change.

when you start off anything with that nobody takes anything else you say seriously



ahhhh ok

 

[optimusprimeaphia]

Originally Posted by j671

Originally Posted by Chi ILL

You can't expect good results this quick .

This.


Also, I hate when people blame ONE PERSON...not the INSTITUTIONS in place...


America is in this situation because we didn't/don't invest in our people. Point. Blank. Period. If there was a need for our jobs, we'd have them.

 

[optimusprimeaphia]

Its funny that if he wasn't out there showing his face in the public, people would say he wasn't "personable" and "distant" muchlike Bush in the 80s.

Now we get someone who can relate to the common man with similar interests doing things that other Americans do and now its "i hate seeing him out"


shut your whiny tails up...

 

[meangene]

Originally Posted by eight2one

yall act like this is such an easy job....especially with the hole W. left us in.

 

[krazy88s]

IMO the problem and benefit of America(ns) is that we whine so damn much. Especially, in the three no-nos of talk. Race. Religion. Politics.

 

[josebronx]

I just want help for school, easy grants loans etc

 

[mf doomer]

We need budget cuts to revamp things, it's ruff for everybody. If McCain was in office the money he'd secure us on would be based on debt.

 

[frankdolla]

Originally Posted by DownyBoy

Another naive voter. He said this throughout his campaign, frivolous government spending was going to end. Bringing up national security is a cute homage to the scare tactics we saw with the last administration. If you cared to actually read 1 article budget from the F-22 is being shifted to the F-35. So there should be no lapse in national security because you are losing your job.

came here to post something of this nature.. I hope you bounce back, OP but QFT.

 

[iblink]

A lot of you dudes in here are laughable, damn near ridiculous. Dudes blaming Pres. Obama for everything when, in certain cases, he has nothing to do withwhat's going on.

1. Understand the the US CONGRESS oversees military spending, not the President.

2. To those who argue that voting for Obama was the wrong move and McCain was the obvious choice, wake up. Senator McCain was in favor is this budget cut. Mr.100-Years-In-Iraq is more at fault for the OP's situation than President Obama. Senator McCain actually voted on the matter, the President did not.

3. As much as I loath Chi Ill, she made a point. Results will not happen over night people. The President himself said that things would undoubtedly get worsebefore they get better. What it seems like a lot of you are expecting are a bunch of quick fixes.

Dudes like HOVKid are the only ones who has any validity in their argument. But what I can never understand is how the guy expects himself to remain in thatsame tax bracket when the middle class is on the verge of vanishing? The US economy is built on the backs of the common man. No one's faulting you forworking hard to achieve your status, but there's a likelihood of certain industries becoming monopolized... law's not exempt.

If the gov't doesn't intervene now, we'll pay for it later. Government intervention is saving the US from going belly up. So slap a socialiststicker on your arguments and realize just how critical the decisions being made really are.

 

[da703trailblaza]

Originally Posted by cguy610

Originally Posted by JRose5

Originally Posted by kix4kix

Raise your hand if you didn't vote for Obama

*Raises Hand*

Raises hand.

Obama has done nothing but jabber and jabber. I guarantee he won't get a second term.

Originally Posted by J Burner

The rest of us tried to warn you. We saw this coming BEFORE he was even elected. No complaining now, ya'll made your bed, now lay in it.

Exactly.

Gee, I wonder why most people voted for Obama?

Originally Posted by J Burner

People that can still defend Obama baffle me. It doesn't get any more ignorant...

Amen. He's a joke.

Also, I'm so sick of him being at every sporting event and talking about sports all the time when he should be running the country.




JR5

And

A for execution. but JRose is right. Obama used/uses the same scare tactics as Bush did, change my $!$,