Black Culture Discussion Thread

[deuce king]

I know you didn't ask me directly so pardon my nose...

"Would you say the collective image of Jewish and or Chinese people is in a better state than us as black people?? Be it amongst ourselves or to outside entities."

This question presupposes the existence of a "collective image" when only racists / prejudiced folks invest in such things when it comes to race.

Basically a loaded question...unless you're a racist / prejudiced.

Example: Who took this "collective" image of people?

Probably the same type of folks who decided my ancestors had to be Black just so they could be White.

If anything, my life has taught me that people are just people and, as such, refuse to invest in anyone else's "collective images".

The whole reason people are even called European, Asian, or African, in the first place is because the Greeks said so.

For the sake of argument, if I did (and I don't) believe in race based collective images - in my mind there would be no worse "collective image" on the planet than white folks and could point to hundreds of years of history / reasons - even into the present day - to support my opinion.

None of those reasons would excuse my racism / prejudice though.

Race does not exist.

Race is a social construct.

Anything built upon a social construct cannot be separated from that foundation.

All of this and STILL no answer to the question. Dudes out here with their heads buried in the sand just for the hell of it scared to answer the question. Every individual has an image whether they understand it or accept it. With that being said every group has a collective image. Gentlemen…..this new age way of thinking that nothing applies to you is naive at best. None of you dudes are reinventing the wheel.

 

[DCAllAfrican]

I don't think it's far fetched to believe certain people are more susceptible to being MORE influenced by music than others.

That can be the result of many things. Temperament, environment, lack of guidance, etc.

Of course there is no way to measure it but to pretend it plays ZERO role is something I can't agree with.

I am NOT saying systematic issues we're facing don't play a HUGE role in ANY discussion we have about our current situation.

I am NOT saying systematic issues we're facing don't play a HUGE role in ANY discussion we have about our current situation.

I am NOT saying systematic issues we're facing don't play a HUGE role in ANY discussion we have about our current situation

 

[tomdiginson]

Yeah, I don't understand how people are simply playing naive that music can't be infectious, affect the mood and mind. It can get you pumped. It can give people the confidence to do something that they would not do "sober". The Zulu use to perform war cries and chants to pump up their side and put fear into the opposition which is well documented. The list of other nations and tribes doing this goes on.

 

[trynafeelmink]

Yeah, I don't understand how people are simply playing naive that music can't be infectious, affect the mood and mind. It can get you pumped. It can give people the confidence to do something that they would not do "sober". The Zulu use to perform war cries and chants to pump up their side and put fear into the opposition which is well documented. The list of other nations and tribes doing this goes on.

I have been in situations where dudes were on the block chilling, a certain song come on & now dudes are ready to go rob/jump someone. Obviously the music didn't lead them to that lifestyle but it's damn sure gasoline on high flames

 

[deuce king]

Nobody is beating around the bush.

The answer is, "it depends." That means, the overwhelmingly positive opinion of these people that you speak of doesn't exist.

What do racist Americans think of Jewish people? What about blue collar Americans, what do they think of Chinese folks? Do American academics think the same of these two groups? No.

That's the answer.

Another prime example of this “let me play it safe”, “I’ll straddle the line” “I don’t wanna piss anybody off” “I’ll play both sides of the fence” “I don’t want to put myself out there like that”mentality that has become cancerous in our society, particularly us as black men.

Gentlemen…….I need you dudes to learn how to make a stance, make an assessment, make a decision, answer a question and stick with it. I have asked several of you dudes what is your opinion on a particular question I posed and each and everyone of you dudes has danced around the question. This is unacceptable.

 

[Present]

every group has a collective image.

That's your claim to prove.

Not anyone else's to disprove.

The burden of proof is on you.

If that's what you believe then cool...you could always keep it to yourself vs expecting others to agree just because you said so.

Not only that but you also moved the goal posts.

You started with race - specifically Black people, Jewish people, and Chinese people (Asians).

"Black people, Jewish people, and Chinese people have a collective image" is the basis of your question.

Even with the new word "group" (which could be anything)…prove it.

Unless / until you do, you are actually operating from a logical fallacy.

The problem is the question.

Not the answers.

Ex:

Me: Hey Deuce King - when did you stop cheating on women?

You: I never cheated on women. I would never do that. What are you talking about? I have never cheated on a woman in my life!

Me: Yeah Yeah Yeah "All of this and STILL no answer to the question. Dudes Deuce King out here with their his heads buried in the sand just for the hell of it scared to answer the question"

 

[DCAllAfrican]

Yeah, I don't understand how people are simply playing naive that music can't be infectious, affect the mood and mind. It can get you pumped. It can give people the confidence to do something that they would not do "sober". The Zulu use to perform war cries and chants to pump up their side and put fear into the opposition which is well documented. The list of other nations and tribes doing this goes on.

I feel people like to dismiss it the same way folks like to dismiss the amount of gun related violence on tv/movies having an effect on how we move as Americans when it comes to being quick to pull the trigger.

 

[deuce king]

That's your claim to prove.

Not anyone else's to disprove.

The burden of proof is on you.

If that's what you believe then cool...you could always keep it to yourself vs expecting others to agree just because you said so.

Not only that but you also moved the goal posts.

You started with race - specifically Black people, Jewish people, and Chinese people (Asians).

"Black people, Jewish people, and Chinese people have a collective image" is the basis of your question.

Even with the new word "group" (which could be anything)…prove it.

Unless / until you do, you are actually operating from a logical fallacy.

The problem is the question.

Not the answers.

Ex:

Me: Hey Deuce King - when did you stop cheating on women?

You: I never cheated on women. I would never do that. What are you talking about? I have never cheated on a woman in my life!

Me: Yeah Yeah Yeah "All of this and STILL no answer to the question. Dudes Deuce King out here with their his heads buried in the sand just for the hell of it scared to answer the question"

P Present does a group of white men dressed in white robes with pointed hoods on top walking down the street with American flags swinging in their hands have a collective image?? Yes or no.

 

[gry60]

Another prime example of this “let me play it safe”, “I’ll straddle the line” “I don’t wanna piss anybody off” “I’ll play both sides of the fence” “I don’t want to put myself out there like that”mentality that has become cancerous in our society, particularly us as black men.

Gentlemen…….I need you dudes to learn how to make a stance, make an assessment, make a decision, answer a question and stick with it. I have asked several of you dudes what is your opinion on a particular question I posed and each and everyone of you dudes has danced around the question. This is unacceptable.

Sorry, but there is nothing noble or prideful about taking an autoritative stance on a subject when the stance is wrong.

I meant what you read: the answer to your question is, it depends.

And I did say, in my previous comments that you probably didn't read, that I don't like drill and everything that's around it because I understand the negative impact that these young guys' behavior and music has on the communities they live in. This won't lead me to condemn the Black youth as whole because I know that there are more young black kids who DON'T behave like that.

I don't know what's hard to understand about my position.

 

[Present]

P Present does a group of white men dressed in white robes with pointed hoods on top walking down the street with American flags swinging in their hands have a collective image?? Yes or no.

 

[deuce king]

More Getty Images of white people. You dudes are consistent……I’ll give you and finessence that much.

 

[DCAllAfrican]

More Getty Images of white people. You dudes are consistent……I’ll give you and finessence that much.

 

[Present]

More Getty Images of white people. You dudes are consistent……I’ll give you and finessence that much.

 

[Present]

Yeah, I don't understand how people are simply playing naive that music can't be infectious, affect the mood and mind. It can get you pumped. It can give people the confidence to do something that they would not do "sober". The Zulu use to perform war cries and chants to pump up their side and put fear into the opposition which is well documented. The list of other nations and tribes doing this goes on.

The argument isn't whether or not human beings are susceptible to auditory input.

The dude in the video made a blanket statement and people are choosing sides based on a logical fallacy.

Drill Music is not evidence of the existence of a collective "Black image".

Kung Fu movies are not evidence of the existence of a collective "Chinese Image".

Seinfeld is not evidence of the existence of a collective "Jewish Image".



Music isn't the illness, its a symptom.

The environment is the issue.

You could play "Ave Maria" on loud speaker 24 hours a day in the hood and it will still be the hood Fam

 

[finessence]

More Getty Images of white people. You dudes are consistent……I’ll give you and finessence that much.

You want “mature” conversations with modern day men…. Who’d rather gossip like women, wear purses, dye their hair…. And make tik tok videos or go live on IG and cry while recording themselves… make it make sense

You’re EMOTIONAL

 

[finessence]

Yeah, I don't understand how people are simply playing naive that music can't be infectious, affect the mood and mind. It can get you pumped. It can give people the confidence to do something that they would not do "sober". The Zulu use to perform war cries and chants to pump up their side and put fear into the opposition which is well documented. The list of other nations and tribes doing this goes on.

Hip hop music is only 40 years old…. What about the millions of millennia before that?

Humans were violent BEFORE rap, and it’s gone continue even after rap.

What part of that don’t y’all understand? You talk about music… I don’t see alcohol brewery, or drug manufacturing lab… or gun manufacturer in any hoods.

Y’all CHOOSE to listen to hardcore rap. There’s tons of different genres of black music.

Parents and society always point the finger

 

[finessence]

A “child” can go on IG, FB, Twitter, Tik Tok, YouTube, etc…. This very moment and view porn, people with damn near no clothes, violent imagery and dialogue…. But rap is to blame?

Adults are out here acting a whole fool, but let’s blame rap

This was a real voting campaign

But you want “real conversations”

 

[tomdiginson]

I feel people like to dismiss it the same way folks like to dismiss the amount of gun related violence on tv/movies having an effect on how we move as Americans when it comes to being quick to pull the trigger.

Yeah, it definitely warps the mind and reality.

The argument isn't whether or not human beings are susceptible to auditory input.

The dude in the video made a blanket statement and people are choosing sides based on a logical fallacy.

Drill Music is not evidence of the existence of a collective "Black image".

Kung Fu movies are not evidence of the existence of a collective "Chinese Image".

Seinfeld is not evidence of the existence of a collective "Jewish Image".



Music isn't the illness, its a symptom.

The environment is the issue.

You could play "Ave Maria" on loud speaker 24 hours a day in the hood and it will still be the hood Fam

Is music the core cause of the societal woes of the underprivileged black youth? No, but it definitely can add to it. Imagine if a song called love your black brother is pushed through the airwaves, all through social media and youtube as much as some pop your ***** and pull up on a opp track?

I'm simply stating that music can influence individuals. If you're playing music talking about shoot 'em up, don't be surprised when some of its major consumers (naive impressionable youth from the hood) whose brains and moral compass aren't fully developed start to emulate what they have heard. And this is the type of music that's being heavily pushed by these media companies and record labels.


Kung Fu did add to the Chinese image. When the British were pumping china with opium and British tourists were going in and out of China, they use to pull up on random Chinese men and basically demand they demonstrate Kung Fu fully expecting them all to know it.

 

[finessence]

More Getty Images of white people. You dudes are consistent……I’ll give you and finessence that much.

You the same guy who wants acceptance and wants to wear a “veil” and wants us to put on a certain “image” to appease and make white people comfortable though….

 

[finessence]

Yeah, it decen




Is music the core cause of the societal woes of the underprivileged black youth? No, but it definitely can add to it. Imagine if a song called love your black brother is pushed through the airwaves, all through social media and youtube as much as some pop your ***** and pull up on a opp track?

Those songs ALREADY exist bruh….

 

[BIG LEEMELONE]

I don't think it's far fetched to believe certain people are more susceptible to being MORE influenced by music than others.

That can be the result of many things. Temperament, environment, lack of guidance, etc.

Of course there is no way to measure it but to pretend it plays ZERO role is something I can't agree with.

I am NOT saying systematic issues we're facing don't play a HUGE role in ANY discussion we have about our current situation.

I am NOT saying systematic issues we're facing don't play a HUGE role in ANY discussion we have about our current situation.

I am NOT saying systematic issues we're facing don't play a HUGE role in ANY discussion we have about our current situation

And the point that was being made is that this type of music is a part of the systemic issues

 

[finessence]

Those same black people you want to “reach” via the social media airwaves probably don’t even know the songs or would call that type of music old. All people want is “turn up” music…. They don’t want conscious music. It starts at HOME. Stop blame game

Y’all want to blame the execs and labels so bad. The FANS don’t even want consciousness or uplifting music

 

[tomdiginson]

Hip hop music is only 40 years old…. What about the millions of millennia before that?

Humans were violent BEFORE rap, and it’s gone continue even after rap.

What part of that don’t y’all understand? You talk about music… I don’t see alcohol brewery, or drug manufacturing lab… or gun manufacturer in any hoods.

Y’all CHOOSE to listen to hardcore rap. There’s tons of different genres of black music.

Parents and society always point the finger

Your points are all over the place. We aren't talking about alcohol breweries and drug manufacturers. And depending on where you live, there are breweries in the hood.

Violence has always existed along with the propagation of it, but now that we are much more aware and educated on the psychological effect sof the constant consumption of it and what it can do, we should take into consideration how much of it we consume and how much of it is pushed down to our youth.

You're also talking about "we choose to listen", that's not true at all. I was listening to Navy Blue and somehow it went from Navy Blue to Westside Gunn. I was listening to Billy Woods another time and eventually, it transitioned over to Flee Lord. In both examples, the subject matter was drastically different. I like all of the said artists, but how I went from hearing a song about someone reminiscing about their family to another talking about popping they opp.

 

[tomdiginson]

Those songs ALREADY exist bruh….

That was then. We are talking about now. Plenty of artists out here making great music, but they rather push certain other types of music.

 

[finessence]

… I mentioned drugs and alcohol because they have the same effect that y’all blame music of having, over youth. But hey, everyone seems to turn a blind eye towards those factors.

Drugs and alcohol are as American as apple pie. They go hand in hand. They’re basically given a pass… but hey, rap is terrible.