Black Culture Discussion Thread

gry60 said:
Oh, please.

Some folks understand how the system works and what to do against it. Unfortunately it's hard to convince a lot of people that more folks than you realize see Democrats as allies of convenience. It's also hard to convince folks that their lack of consistency is a huge factor in the Democratic party playing it safe and sticking to the political "middle," wherever it may be. And let's be honest about the fact that many who support Democrats when they need help have no issue pulling up the ladder once they get financially set.

In the case of Killer Mike, he praised Brian Kemp and called the man who wants to disenfranchise Black Georgian voters "decent." How does someone who cares about maintaining the political power of Black people justify this?
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I know that you're a staunch democrat, so your response is no surprise, but peddle these falsehoods to someone else.
 
tomdiginson said:
I know that you're a staunch democrat, so your response is no surprise, but peddle these falsehoods to someone else.
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I'm not a staunch democrat; the party is very much center-right, and my policy preferences lean further left than that. I just recognize the fact that in a system that makes third parties meaningless in terms of gaining and exercising political power, Democrats represent the only alternative to the GOP, which has made maintaining the racial socioeconomic hierarchy of the past the cornerstone of their political platform. I support Democrats by necessity, not because I'm brainwashed.

Brian Kemp ran for governor while he was secretary of state (the elected official who decides who gets to vote); as governor, Brian Kemp used his position to codify voting suppression tactics and provisions to strengthen his party rule over all Georgians. if Killer Mike cares about black enfranchisement, showing support to that guy is a very odd position to take, and it will invariably invite criticism from political observers. That's just logic.
 
Mark Antony said:
You'd be good with an Asian person posting a video of one of those random lunatics, who is black in this case, that sneak knockout old Asian ladies as the example then saying that? I'm not saying divisions don't exist but don't play daft.
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Yes because i wouldn't insinuate that a person is saying that is representative of all black people, If that persons point was that chinese/black alliance isn't strong & used that video as one of the examples so be it
 
gry60 said:
I'm not a staunch democrat; the party is very much center-right, and my policy preferences lean further left than that. I just recognize the fact that in a system that makes third parties meaningless in terms of gaining and exercising political power, Democrats represent the only alternative to the GOP, which has made maintaining the racial socioeconomic hierarchy of the past the cornerstone of their political platform. I support Democrats by necessity, not because I'm brainwashed.

Brian Kemp ran for governor while he was secretary of state (the elected official who decides who gets to vote); as governor, Brian Kemp used his position to codify voting suppression tactics and provisions to strengthen his party rule over all Georgians. if Killer Mike cares about black enfranchisement, showing support to that guy is a very odd position to take, and it will invariably invite criticism from political observers. That's just logic.
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everytime this convo pops up the defense is always the dems aren't the GOP.... cool. However the dems have had some say so over government in the past 50 years & it's still led us absolutely nowhere.

Still getting murdered by cops daily, still have the worst schools, highest incarceration, worst health etc etc... there has been no drastic change in the quality of the black experience in 50-60 years yet every chance ya'll get your ready to crucify any black person for even thinking about not supporting the dems.

Essentially ya'll come in here spewing, yea i know the democrats are trash & will change nothing but at least they won't make it worse....... & want black people to invest all their emotions & money into light racism & Hope.

Right wing surely isn't the answer but a new method can't even be worked on if blind loyalty to the party (And from the outside looking in, no matter how ya'll want to spin it... that's what it is)
 
Idk, Killer Mike supporting Brian Kemp, a man that’s gone out of his way to suppress black people, seems like a move worthy of contempt

Or is he beyond criticism cause he’s not Candace Owens?
 
trynafeelmink said:
everytime this convo pops up the defense is always the dems aren't the GOP.... cool. However the dems have had some say so over government in the past 50 years & it's still led us absolutely nowhere.

Still getting murdered by cops daily, still have the worst schools, highest incarceration, worst health etc etc... there has been no drastic change in the quality of the black experience in 50-60 years yet every chance ya'll get your ready to crucify any black person for even thinking about not supporting the dems.

Essentially ya'll come in here spewing, yea i know the democrats are trash & will change nothing but at least they won't make it worse....... & want black people to invest all their emotions & money into light racism & Hope.

Right wing surely isn't the answer but a new method can't even be worked on if blind loyalty to the party (And from the outside looking in, no matter how ya'll want to spin it... that's what it is)
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I'm not going to pretend that the condition of black people today is the best it could be; however, it has been shown that under Democratic administrations, Black people fare better economically than under Republican administrations. So when people say that we're no better than in the 60s, they often ignore all the ways in which Republican administrations undo all the progress made under Democratic leadership (sometimes, with the help of conservative Democrats).

The partisan trends are remarkably consistent over many years. Black incomes grew in 77% the years that Democrats held the presidency; black poverty declined in 88% of those years; and black unemployment fell in 71% of those years. In sharp contrast, blacks more often than not lost under Republican administrations. The longer Democratic administrations are in office, the more they appear to be able to help African Americans and other minorities experience economic gains, while the longer Republican administrations hold office, the more the fortunes of these groups suffer.
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marikomorose said:
What’s your alternative to demonrats?
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I participate in the elections, especially the local ones, but you have to ensure that the politicians you're voting for are the real deal and not some puppet who's pimping their community for the upper.




trynafeelmink said:
Our own would be calling the BPP ****s & extremist given today's ideology
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They would crucify Malcolm and Garvey if they were alive today.
 
Watching 'Descendants' on Netflix right now. What a story.

I read Baraccoon years ago and its cool to see the story fulfilled.
 
https://www.popmatters.com/050603-randb-2496103718.html

HOW BLACK MUSIC WAS NEUTRALIZED​

IN THE LATE 70'S, THE TERM "BLACK MUSIC" WAS SLOWLY BEING REPLACED WITH "URBAN MUSIC". GOING FURTHER, BLACK MUSIC DEPARTMENTS AT VARIOUS LABELS ACROSS THE NATION WERE RENAMED URBAN MUSIC DEPARTMENTS. THE INDUSTRY, FOCUSING ON PROFIT OVER CULTURE, REASONED THAT THIS NAME-CHANGE WOULD MAKE BLACK MUSIC EASIER TO MARKET TO MAINSTREAM AUDIENCES.​

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Consisting of Spirituals, Gospel, Blues, Jazz, Rock & Roll, R&B, Hip Hop, House, and so many other genres, Black music birthed most popular music today. A matter of fact, Black music is so powerful that it has literally changed the world. Enslaved Africans sang Spirituals, not only as a source of strength, but as a way to pass on secret information about the Underground Railroad right under the slave master’s nose. The Blues gave people the means to channel their deepest sorrows. Rhythm & Blues drew from its predecessors to create Rock & Roll as well as the soulful sound of the 60’s and 70’s, epitomized by Motown, Stax, and other iconic labels. Legends like James Brown, Marvin Gaye, Donny Hathaway, Curtis Mayfield, Stevie Wonder, and Aretha Franklin provided the soundtrack of both the Civil Rights Movement and the Black Power Movement. Hip Hop culture and Rap music evolved from these rich traditions to become the voice of the voiceless and disenfranchised. In the 80’s and early 90’s, the likes of Public Enemy, Rakim, KRS-One, Queen Latifah, Poor Righteous Teachers, and X-Clan inspired teenagers around the world to wear African medallions, learn Black history, and become activists. The powers-that-be couldn’t possibly risk losing their much-coveted social status to a growing movement of highly-motivated, educated, and empowered young Black Hip Hop fans who stood on the shoulders of those heroes that came before them. Something had to be done.

The truth is, Black music’s erosion had begun years ago.

In 1972, a Harvard report titled “A Study of the Soul Music Environment” outlined how the music industry could market Black music to a broader, i.e. whiter audience. As a result, executives with no personal stake or interest in the preservation of Black music’s rich history and social significance were brought in to make decisions about its direction. While the music didn’t transform overnight, the seeds of change had undoubtedly been planted, starting with popularizing the term R&B over Rhythm and Blues to tone down the music’s southern roots and risk alienating white listeners.

In the late 70’s, the term “Black Music” was slowly being replaced with “Urban Music”. Going further, Black Music Departments at various labels across the nation were renamed Urban Music Departments. The industry, focusing on profit over culture, reasoned that this name-change would make Black music easier to market to mainstream audiences. Many suspected that this was done to disassociate Urban music from its African-American roots in order to make white consumers feel more comfortable. Today, it’s almost politically incorrect to use the term Black music for fear of excluding multi-cultural audiences. Ironically, the term Latin Music is embraced wholeheartedly. Could the word “Black” just be too much for mainstream audiences to digest? And what does “Urban” music mean anyway – city music?

Then, Hip Hop culture and Rap music emerged. Bold, groundbreaking, and rebellious, its do-it-yourself ethos shut out the mainstream industry, relying instead on independent and underground channels to grow and blossom. Eventually, major labels weaseled their way in and surprisingly allowed rap to flourish virtually untainted, probably because their inexperience with this new phenomenon had created an opportune moment for rap’s development. However, by the late 80’s/early 90’s, Hip Hop culture’s influence over Black youth had managed to put more fear than ever into the hearts and minds of the so-called “ruling party”. The music industry was no longer going to allow messages of unapologetic Black pride and rebellion to filter through its airwaves and distribution channels. Executive shot callers would make sure of that.

Urban Music, i.e. rap music, was used to sell anything ranging from Chicken McNuggets to Barbie dolls. With advertisers trying to appeal to younger demographics, rap was increasingly associated with branding, marketing, and consumerism, and decreasingly synonymous with culturally-affirming, rebel music. If rap music that celebrates Malcolm X and the Black Panthers was perceived as a threat by the powers-that-be, using rap to sell Fruity Pebbles in commercials would surely weaken the music’s potency in the public eye. Hip Hop’s new generation of critical thinkers couldn’t be allowed to grow and risk challenging the ruling order of the day.

Record labels began aggressively promoting gangsta rap during the peak of Hip Hop’s Afrocentric and Pro-Black era. While acts like NWA, Compton’s Most Wanted, and DJ Quik had comfortably coexisted with culturally-conscious rap, a more celebratory form of gangsta music was about to hit the world by storm. African medallions and X hats were replaced by marijuana chains and logos. Songs about Black Unity and Nubian Queens were being obscured by titles like “Murder Was the Case” and “*****es Ain’t ****”. Although such topics had always been part of rap (see Too Short, 2 Live Crew, Schooly D, etc), the climate that had once provided a balance for both messages had now been tipped in favor of guns, weed, sex, and crime. In the 1992 hit “Let Me Ride”, Dre raps, “No medallions, dreadlocks, or Black fists”. It couldn’t have been said any plainer. But Dre, Snoop, and the entire Death Row family were pawns, backed by an industry that had a bigger agenda than just making a few rappers rich.

Gangsta Rap had successfully changed the direction of music, inspiring the East Coast and Down South to become more thugged-out, and even forcing R&B to adopt the rising gangsta trend. 80’s favorites like Anita Baker, Regina Bell, Surface, and Alexander O’Neil couldn’t compete. Although artists like Digable Planets, Toni Braxton, The Fugees, TLC, Gang Starr, and Babyface would go on to experience success in their own right, rap music’s empowering Pro-Black messages and R&B’s clear-cut romance and sophistication had been overshadowed by wannabe pimps, players, boss *****es, and thugs. As long as weed, sex, alcohol, and violence distracted the masses, the powers-that-be no longer felt threatened by the former movement of musically-empowered critical thinkers. After all, who could possible feel threatened by a Young Thug?

During that time, former R&B artists such as Usher and Beyonce became pop stars, the term Hip Hop went on to include folks like Future and Chris Brown, and Iggy Azalea was crowned princess of rap. Traditional R&B is now considered alternative. Hip Hop music with a message is mostly underground. Today’s generation couldn’t distinguish Blues and Jazz from Country and Classical. And the term Black music is seen as offensive, if not flat-out racist.

Someone please tell me – where do we go from here?
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Sebastien Elkouby is a creative consultant, speaker, Hip Hop culture historian, freelance writer, and award-winning educator. For more info, go to SebIsHipHop.com or contact him at [email protected]. Find him on Twitter at SebIsHipHop.
 
The Last article spoke on HipHop n 2005

this one Speaks on soul music & was written in 1988, any coincidences :lol:

"Because rap is becoming mainstream (witness television commercials), the energy and integrity that begat it are bound to be bought, sold and diluted just as the music before it was."

https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-1988-09-05-8801280342-story.html

When was soul music souled out?

For anyone who recalls soul`s classic years-from the 1960s until the early `70s, when performers such as Aretha Franklin, James Brown, Sam and Dave, Otis Redding, Al Green and Motown`s artists were in their prime-it`s a bittersweet question.



''For many of us, it`s an era we`d like to go back to,'' said Billboard magazine`s black-music editor Nelson George at a recent New Music Seminar in New York City. ''But let`s be honest. Soul music is dead; well, sort of.''

George, author of the recently published ''The Death of Rhythm and Blues,'' was heading a panel on the death, dilution and mutation of soul. Helping him dissect this subject were five with firsthand experience.


There were Al Bell, legendary founder of Stax Records in Memphis, and Betty Wright, who had hits years ago with songs such as ''Clean Up Woman'' and ''Tonight Is the Night,'' and who recently resurfaced with ''No Pain, No Gain''; she is president of her own label, Miss B. Records. Also in on the aural autopsy were Ronald Roach, director of artists and repertoire for Elektra Records; Charles ''Madhatter'' Merritt, a longtime R&B disc jockey in Mobile, Ala.; and Edward Eckstine, an executive with Polygram Records.

Bell traced soul`s death to its own success and a 1970 study conducted by Harvard University for Columbia Records on the economic impact of labels such as Motown and Stax.

''It was clear that soul was becoming something of a moneymaker and that it was unavoidable,'' Bell said. ''It was suggested to Columbia that it would be wise, prudent and good business to get involved with soul music.''

Bell said the result, combined with European disco influences, was a

''watered-down, homogenized'' sound designed for the widest possible market. Independent companies from which soul sprang were bought out or changed beyond recognition as soul music became ''urban contemporary.''

''In the process, the music began to dilute and separate, if you will, the tree from its roots,'' Bell said. He got a collective, knowing laugh and applause when he paraphrased Rod Stewart, who said in 1980 that soul music died because black artists were trying to sound white and white artists, who for years had tried to sound black, now had no one to copy.

The ''Madhatter,'' though, pointed out that soul is still alive and, well, only known as rap.

''The same beat you worship to on Sunday is the same beat you jam to on Monday,'' the Madhatter said in a concise definition of the genre. ''It evolved from the church, to the street, to rap-it`s all soul music.''

An absent Whitney Houston took some gentle flak from the panel as a prime example of a woman raised on raw R&B and who, as the heir apparent to Aretha, has chosen instead to take the money and run down the middle of the road.

Nelson ventured that Houston is a ''tragedy of soul music. If she had been allowed (by CBS Records president Clive Davis, who has directed her career) to open up, I believe she could have had the same success.''

Eckstine, creatively involved with Houston early in her career, agreed, but noted her success is hard to knock. ''I call her `McWhitney, 25 million sold,` '' he said.

''I want you all to leave Whitney alone,'' protested Bell, who has known her mother, Cissy Houston, since before her daugher was born. But he went on to make the same point. ''She might be compromising her talent, but she`s not compromising her bank account. She has the right to do what she wants to. I just hope at some point in time that she goes back to the key of E and leaves something for posterity.''

Anyone mourning the passing of soul, though, has to be heartened by Betty Wright`s story. Following a few years as a successful teenaged soul singer in the `60s, she has returned after a long absence and totally on her own terms. ''No Pain, No Gain'' is a heartfelt, gritty and worthy successor to `60s soul but with an `80s sound.

Wright laughingly described pitching the record to 32 (''and I kept count!'') record companies at a time when she was broke and pregnant. All rejected her, so she decided to do it herself.

She produced the final effort, formed her own label and sought out old contacts for airplay. The result was a Top 10 hit on the black charts. Then the companies who spurned her began calling. She told them it was too late.

''It was like the story of the little chicken and the bread,'' she said.

''I told `em, `I don`t need you to help me eat it. I did need your help to bake it.` ''

Wright has a follow-up in the works, and she vows to remain independent. And she, George and Eckstine had some wise advice to young rappers and hopeful singer-songwriters in the audience.

Because rap is becoming mainstream (witness television commercials), the energy and integrity that begat it are bound to be bought, sold and diluted just as the music before it was.

''The pursuit of crossover has killed many a soul, as well as many a soul star,'' Eckstine said.
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The book in question

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Since the time the European and Arab slave traders stepped foot into Africa, blacks have been told lies about their heritage. This was all by Satan's design, for he is the father of lies. Since biblical times, there has been a satanic agenda to destroy God's chosen people. This agenda still exists today and is carried on by man in many forms. Satan knows who God's chosen people are, but for centuries, we have been ignorant to this knowledge, even though it's been right in front of our face. After many years of research, the time has finally come for all black people to know the truth.

A book exploring black people's Jewish heritage..... is antisemetic & therefore kyrie is also antisemetic for reading it............

YE BE RIGHT
 
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