Black Culture Discussion Thread

[finessence]

you believe that ‘the color purple’ reps fully half of black folk of the time??? and up to 40% today??? that’s wild…some would say that perspective claiming that abuse is the norm is one that was propogated/spread from that film, perhaps that has been developed in retrospect because i don’t remember that really being the discourse whenever i 1st saw it but it has definitely become a pervasive talking point today…

About 1 out of every 3 women are a victim of domestic violence. Look up the percentages

Bro, domestic violence has always been huge. Men abusing their spouses, has always been huge

… the main point of the original movie was of physical, sexual and verbal abuse. What are you talking about?

The original movies intro is literally of Celie giving birth to her second child (after being molested by her stepfather)

Mister was physically and verbally abusing her the whole movie. Harpo was trying to abuse Sophia as well. Like, what were you dudes watching?

The main point of the movie is about abuse

 

[tomdiginson]

I never said it wasn’t. Me as a black American though, I’d never speak on the Caribbean because I don’t know the full scope of the. I only know about the chattel slavery in the US.

I also know Farrakhan was heavily involved with the movement since the 50s and 60s so, he was in America by that time.

But his comments about the color purple made absolutely no sense. And again, I’ve always been a supporter. Let’s not forget he was a failed calypso singer as well. He definitely was living a secular life before joining Elijah Muhammad and the nation

In essence, his argument suggests that it does not accurately represent black people. He asserts that the film perpetuates negative stereotypes about black men and portrays them in an unfavorable light throughout the storyline. Farrakhan is not alone in his criticism of the movie, as many others have shared his perspective on the issue since its initial release in the 80s. This particular criticism isn't "new". Representation matters, and these negative tropes being associated to black men are dangerous.

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On top of that Farrakhan wasn't born in Jamaica.

His parents are from St Lucia I think but he was born in NY somewhere and he spent his life from NY to Boston to Chicago.

He was born in New York. His biological father is Jamaican, but his mother is from St. Kitts and his stepfather is from Barbados.

 

[finessence]

In essence, his argument suggests that it does not accurately represent black people. He asserts that the film perpetuates negative stereotypes about black men and portrays them in an unfavorable light throughout the storyline. Farrakhan is not alone in his criticism of the movie, as many others have shared his perspective on the issue since its initial release in the 80s. This particular criticism isn't "new".

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If people are/were naive enough to think it was generalizing all black men, then that’s a personal problem. The movie wasn’t a generalization at all. It was an isolated storyline. Alice Walker based it off childhood stories from her grandmother and family

There were men like Mister from all races and continue to be men who act like him.

The color purple definitely wasn’t saying all black men are abusive. If people thought like that, then they’re all dense and not that bright.

Elijah Muhammad was a known sexual abuser but Farrakhan still was a follower of him. Make it make sense

The man had 20+ kids, nine from extra marital affairs. Is that an accurate depiction of black men? How could Farrakhan accuse the “color purple” but was in support and a follower of Elijah Muhammad….? Hypocritical as hell

That’s why when a person is self righteous, they for darn sure better be practicing what they preach

 

[Maximus Meridius]

You think 50% of black households had a mister in it???

That's crazy bruh.

 

[Present]

Numbers don't lie...

Percentage of domestic violence victims:

Black Women: 44%
Black Men: 39%

5% difference.

By these numbers,

Women are safer with men than they are with other women.

Lesbian Women 44%
Straight Women: 35%

and

Men are safer with other men than they are with women.

Straight Men: 29%
Gay Men: 26%

Domestic Violence Statistics: A Comprehensive Investigation

Domestic violence (also known as intimate partner violence, battering, or spouse abuse) is a pattern of abusive behavior used in a relationship to gain control and power over an intimate partner. It happens to everyone across race, gender, socioeconomic status, education, and sexual orientation...

www.dolanzimmerman.com

 

[tomdiginson]

If people are/were naive enough to think it was generalizing all black men, then that’s a personal problem. The movie wasn’t a generalization at all. It was an isolated storyline. Alice Walker based it off childhood stories from her grandmother and family

There were men like Mister from all races and continue to be men who act like him.

The color purple definitely wasn’t saying all black men are abusive. If people thought like that, then they’re all dense and not that bright.

Elijah Muhammad was a known sexual abuser but Farrakhan still was a follower of him. Make it make sense

The man had 20+ kids, nine from extra marital affairs. Is that an accurate depiction of black men? How could Farrakhan accuse the “color purple” but was in support and a follower of Elijah Muhammad….? Hypocritical as hell

That’s why when a person is self righteous, they for darn sure better be practicing what they preach

Media acts as socializing agents that establish and maintain acquired behaviors and viewpoints. Being a principal fountain of information, they mirror and mold public opinions and principles. There's a reason why they ban people off social media platforms: They know that these personalities can be very influential and shape the viewpoints of many.

 

[finessence]

You think 50% of black households had a mister in it???

That's crazy bruh.

Color purple was based from 1909-1946… I said 40-50% in THAT era…

Please improve reading comprehension. It’s definitely not far fetched for that era, in my opinion.

Again, men are still belittling women, still wanting them to be submissive and STILL sexually assaulting them and being physically abusive. It’s a story as old as methuselah.

 

[finessence]

Media acts as socializing agents that establish and maintain acquired behaviors and viewpoints. Being a principal fountain of information, they mirror and mold public opinions and principles. There's a reason why they ban people off social media platforms: They know that these personalities can be very influential and shape the viewpoints of many.

Again, if any person thought mister was the absolute and total representation of all black men, then they have deeper issues to worry about and should never watch any movies for that matter. They’ve got other scholastic issues to worry about

 

[Maximus Meridius]

Color purple was based from 1909-1946… I said 40-50% in THAT era…

Please improve reading comprehension. It’s definitely not far fetched for that era, in my opinion.

Again, men are still belittling women, still wanting them to be submissive and STILL sexually assaulting them and being physically abusive. It’s a story as old as methuselah.

You talking about my reading comprehension but you couldn't comprehend "had" vs "have".

 

[gry60]

If people are/were naive enough to think it was generalizing all black men, then that’s a personal problem. The movie wasn’t a generalization at all. It was an isolated storyline. Alice Walker based it off childhood stories from her grandmother and family

There were men like Mister from all races and continue to be men who act like him.

The color purple definitely wasn’t saying all black men are abusive. If people thought like that, then they’re all dense and not that bright.

All of this.

People need to stop treating movies and literature like statistical studies.

Color purple was based from 1909-1946… I said 40-50% in THAT era

Again, men are still belittling women, still wanting them to be submissive and STILL sexually assaulting them and being physically abusive. It’s a story as old as methuselah.

You can go back to 20 years ago and watch Bernie Mac joke about "hitting your women every now and then to get some respect."

I have married friends who talk about missing the time when "the man came home to a warm meal and quiet children" while their wives gladly remind them they now have bank accounts and passports.

This stuff is real, it happens, and talking about it doesn't constitute "an agenda."

 

[tr1ll]

Women are safer with men than they are with other women.

Lesbian Women 44%
Straight Women: 35%

 

[DCAllAfrican]

Just remember,

 

[tr1ll]

The layers to that comment.

 

[703 hwy]

I understand what he was trying to say but it can easily be misinterpreted

 

[deuce king]

LOL.

 

[Maximus Meridius]

Numbers don't lie...

Percentage of domestic violence victims:

Black Women: 44%
Black Men: 39%

5% difference.

By these numbers,

Women are safer with men than they are with other women.

Lesbian Women 44%
Straight Women: 35%

and

Men are safer with other men than they are with women.

Straight Men: 29%
Gay Men: 26%

Domestic Violence Statistics: A Comprehensive Investigation

Domestic violence (also known as intimate partner violence, battering, or spouse abuse) is a pattern of abusive behavior used in a relationship to gain control and power over an intimate partner. It happens to everyone across race, gender, socioeconomic status, education, and sexual orientation...

www.dolanzimmerman.com

It's always been known that studs be beaten the hell outta women.

 

[Present]

It's always been known that studs be beaten the hell outta women.

Studs ARE women.

"... studs women be beaten the hell outta women."

Women who beat other women do not "identify" as men in the data.

This was surprising because cultural conditioning and social engineering would have us believe that it's men who are the biggest domestic violence threat.

Come to find out...

 

[Maximus Meridius]

Studs ARE women.

"... studs women be beaten the hell outta women."

Women who beat other women do not "identify" as men in the data.

This was surprising because cultural conditioning and social engineering would have us believe that it's men who are the biggest domestic violence threat.

Come to find out it's women.

Before social media it was known that studs are the most violent. I remember women in my family talking about that. What social media says vs what's real life is 2 completely different things.

 

[finessence]

Them studs be trying to overcompensate. Because either way, they’re still working with plastic

It’s an ego thing. They want to be men so bad that they go above and beyond to prove that they’re capable.

My aunt dated a stud and to this day, her kids can’t stand the stud because of how violent and abusive she was towards them

 

[Present]

Before social media it was known that studs are the most violent. I remember women in my family talking about that. What social media says vs what's real life is 2 completely different things.

cultural conditioning and social engineering are "real life" though...

The Color Purple came out in 1985.

The data does not support the narrative of so many movies and stories depicting the black man as either a misogynist monster or deadbeat dad or criminal or buffoon...or the black woman as either a victim or a boss or independent or doesn't need any man - yet these narratives show up in "real life" all the time.

The Jeffersons, Good Times, The Cosby Show, Living Single, etc...

100 million could have been spent in a much better way.

All this man-bashing, woman-pedestaling, feminist bandwagon-riding foolishness, isn't supported by data is all I'm saying.

When the subjective truth is worth more than the objective truth - we all suffer accordingly.

I have to wonder who benefits from all this - because it sure isn't Black folks.

 

[tr1ll]

Them studs be trying to overcompensate. Because either way, they’re still working with plastic

It’s an ego thing. They want to be men so bad that they go above and beyond to prove that they’re capable.

My aunt dated a stud and to this day, her kids can’t stand the stud because of how violent and abusive she was towards them

I was told by a friend that mentors troubled girls, THATS a front. A lot of times the girls were molested when they were young and the masculine bravado is really a way to hide their femineity so it wont happen again and a way to do it back to someone else.

 

[tokes99]

About 1 out of every 3 women are a victim of domestic violence. Look up the percentages

Bro, domestic violence has always been huge. Men abusing their spouses, has always been huge

… the main point of the original movie was of physical, sexual and verbal abuse. What are you talking about?

The original movies intro is literally of Celie giving birth to her second child (after being molested by her stepfather)

Mister was physically and verbally abusing her the whole movie. Harpo was trying to abuse Sophia as well. Like, what were you dudes watching?

The main point of the movie is about abuse

yea the flick is about what it is about, i saw it when i was a yute amongst family & and i don’t recall it being seen as allegory/representative for a majority of folk in that era…but i stand corrected if the statistics are even close to the stated numbers

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Numbers don't lie...

Percentage of domestic violence victims:

Black Women: 44%
Black Men: 39%

5% difference.

By these numbers,

Women are safer with men than they are with other women.

Lesbian Women 44%
Straight Women: 35%

and

Men are safer with other men than they are with women.

Straight Men: 29%
Gay Men: 26%

Domestic Violence Statistics: A Comprehensive Investigation

Domestic violence (also known as intimate partner violence, battering, or spouse abuse) is a pattern of abusive behavior used in a relationship to gain control and power over an intimate partner. It happens to everyone across race, gender, socioeconomic status, education, and sexual orientation...

www.dolanzimmerman.com

those numbers are legit shocking, i wonder what all encompasses’ intimate partner violence’ in this study, very interesting that it is as common as suggested by the numbers

 

[tr1ll]

On a brighter note..

“Foe?! Thats it???”

 

[finessence]

“Look here man, now that you been out the joint bout two weeks, don’t you think it’s about time you gave me my money??”

 

[DCAllAfrican]

I understand what he was trying to say but it can easily be misinterpreted

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What was he trying to say that is actually true?