Colin Kaepernick Is Righter Than You Know

[hand2handking]

no they sent the message they intended to

all that "patriotism" is code for white supremacy

when the actual national anthem is written by a white racist, and includes racist passages, and you as a white person expect black people to stand for it, that is racist

it doesnt matter what you hope for, the reality is that a majority of this country is racist and white supremacists

just because they not all card carrying KKK members doesnt mean they arent white supremacists

and you dont have to be white to be a white supremacist

 

[JPS]

Y'all arguing to a brick wall

 

[hand2handking]

yea but u know its ppl lurking reading this that need to see it too

 

[District of Columbia]

Y'all arguing to a brick wall

Yep

 

[JPS]

yea but u know its ppl lurking reading this that need to see it too

Definitely. Just stay on course guys. That dude is showing his position based on the language and pattern of posting.

I'm trying to guess which old NTer he is

 

[harlemtothebronx]

 
yea but u know its ppl lurking reading this that need to see it too

This.

If he can't be enlightened, someone can.

 

[carlosdanger]

 
How do you expect the community to build on their own when it has been proven that this country has implicit racial biases that shows its ugly face in every aspect of American life.

I somewhat agree with welfare, and some of the complacency it creates, but there needs to be a lot more done than pulling the only thing people have from their hands and telling them to pull themselves up from their bootstraps. More needs to be done than telling black communities that they need to get their things together. Because most of the time, when we do try to get our **** together, we're met with closed doors.

And that's the issue. This country needs to first fully acknowledge its history and how it treats people based solely on the color of their skin, then THEY need to fix what's wrong on their end. I'm kind of sick of hearing people tell black people to get their **** together. More than black people attributed to the state they're in in this country, and more than black people need to be part of the effort to fix the problems our country was built upon.

WE have no choice, because if WE don't WE will reap the consequences as a country.

Yup, I agree. It's easy to say and tell people to pull them up by their bootstraps but one of the hardest things to actually do. I think there needs to be an open dialogue so that people can communicate with each other. Another major issue is the way we lock people up in this country especially African Americans for have weed. I think we need to reform our justice system, weed out the truly hateful and racist individuals, and adjust the way we train police officers. This will obviously lead to less men in jail, but in conjunction with that, we should create an environment and change society/culture to help sway and change these socioeconomic issues.

It's a terrible thing to feel that all of society is designed to be against you, no one should ever feel that way. I think changing the culture and society values in conjunction with laws/government will help the situation. If a person feels that they are stuck and there is no hope because the government, police, laws and society in general are against them they will never succeed. So changing that perception by actually changing government/laws/etc...

 

[hand2handking]

^ so long as white people get to retain their privilege right?

so long as nothing is sacrificed

 

[carlosdanger]

 
This country needs to first fully acknowledge its history and how it treats people based solely on the color of their skin, then THEY need to fix what's wrong on their end. 

What do you mean here and what would you want to see happen?

 

[carlosdanger]

 
^ so long as white people get to retain their privilege right?

so long as nothing is sacrificed

By just generalizing everything and everyone it doesn't help the situation. The ability to point out specific things that are racist or bias or discriminatory will help real change. For example, if you were to give an example of a specific law, individual or policy that was racist or discriminatory then more people are inclined and will support changing that law. Believe it or not, not all white people are racist.

 

[gry60]

 
I never called you a troll. And I never said you didn't have a right to voice your opinion. I also have the right to post a differing opinion.

I don't think you're consciously doing it, I just think it's a comfortable way for you to shift focus. That's how it comes off at least. If I'm wrong I apoligize.

But show me where I generalized all whites? You kinda just dove into this thread head first, and you expect us to be cool when you come off as offensive and ignorant.

You wont even acknowledge that there are socioeconomic issues that attribute to black on black crime. That reads to me as a blatant distraction from what we're trying to actually discuss.

I just explained it below.

I totally agree. I think one of the most important issues in this country is the way African American communities have been allowed to deteriorate in terms of the infrastructure, social values and lack of opportunity. If you take a look at it though, most of the major cities where this is a huge issue is cities run by democrats. I think welfare is a huge issue because in some ways it has caused the family structure to deteriorate. Hopefully there can be some reconstruction and rebuilding to provide opportunities rather than government support. Because opportunities provide hope and way for people to better themselves rather than being stationary.

Anyone today who maintains the narrative is willfully ignorant. The passive voice you are using in your reasoning betrays the fact that you don't want to acknowledge WHO allowed Black communities to deteriorate.

It was the federal government which, through openly discriminatory educational and financial polices, allowed AA communities to fall in a state of disrepair. It wasn't a humanless entity; it wasn't fate; it was a body made of white elected officials who chose to favor a certain group of Americans and abandon another, and what we are seeing today is the result of 4 decades of policies aimed at dismantling a particular people.

 

[Kimchi Papi]

A unique exploration of "whiteness" in America. An extremely sharp political commentary that serves as a rebuke of republicans and democrats.

Film will be pulled after election day.

 

[harlemtothebronx]

 

 
This country needs to first fully acknowledge its history and how it treats people based solely on the color of their skin, then THEY need to fix what's wrong on their end. 

What do you mean here and what would you want to see happen?

Honestly, I'm not quite sure. But I can tell you the effort to fix things haven't been enough. Laws need to change. I'm not sure what the numbers are, but the government needs to make more of an effort to be more representative of the people demographically.

Demographics are rapidly changing, and I think we can see that in how disconnected our government and their priorities are from it's people.

 

[hand2handking]

 

white supremacy isnt specific in its totality so why should anyone have to parse it out?

it is too all encompassing so the onus is on white people to identify specifically how they support it

 

[deleted]

By just generalizing everything and everyone it doesn't help the situation. The ability to point out specific things that are racist or bias or discriminatory will help real change. For example, if you were to give an example of a specific law, individual or policy that was racist or discriminatory then more people are inclined and will support changing that law. Believe it or not, not all white people are racist.

White people are not the victims in this situation

Everyone knows that not all white people are racist

Standing up against the system of white supremacy is not a personal condemnation of every single white person

 

[RustyShackleford]

 
I never called you a troll. And I never said you didn't have a right to voice your opinion. I also have the right to post a differing opinion.

I don't think you're consciously doing it, I just think it's a comfortable way for you to shift focus. That's how it comes off at least. If I'm wrong I apoligize.

But show me where I generalized all whites? You kinda just dove into this thread head first, and you expect us to be cool when you come off as offensive and ignorant.

You wont even acknowledge that there are socioeconomic issues that attribute to black on black crime. That reads to me as a blatant distraction from what we're trying to actually discuss.

I just explained it below.

I totally agree. I think one of the most important issues in this country is the way African American communities have been allowed to deteriorate in terms of the infrastructure, social values and lack of opportunity. If you take a look at it though, most of the major cities where this is a huge issue is cities run by democrats. I think welfare is a huge issue because in some ways it has caused the family structure to deteriorate. Hopefully there can be some reconstruction and rebuilding to provide opportunities rather than government support. Because opportunities provide hope and way for people to better themselves rather than being stationary.

-What about all the struggling black people that live in Southern conservative states? More than half the population of black people live in the South, not Northeastern urban cities. You do know that right?

-What about all the white flight that happened that created suburbs and destroyed the economies of inner cities by removing the tax base?

-What about red lining that prevented black people to follow white out to the suburbs?

-What about the rampant housing discrimination that still took place after the 1968 Civil Rights Acts?

-What about the rampant gerrymandering in red states to rob black people of equal representation at the state and federal level?

-What about voter IDs laws which are being used to disenfranchised minority and black voters?

-What about all the poor blacks in the South that have been denied free medical care because conservatives won't expand Medicaid, just to get back at the black president? Kinda funny that poor black and poor white communities have benefited greatly from that law and the Medicaid expansion, yet conservatives want to rip that away from poor people. Why?

-What about the white conservatives, especially those in the South, won't approve the numerous jobs bills (that would be through infrastructure spending) that have been suggested to help poor communities?

-What about the conservative whites at the state level that continuously try to sabotage majors on the city level?

What about all those things?

But yeah, lets just blame some black/democratic mayors, and black people themselves, for all the struggles of black community.

 

[carlosdanger]

Anyone today who maintains the narrative is willfully ignorant. The passive voice you are using in your reasoning betrays the fact that you don't want to acknowledge WHO allowed Black communities to deteriorate.

It was the federal government which, through openly discriminatory educational and financial polices, allowed AA communities to fall in a state of disrepair. It wasn't a humanless entity; it wasn't fate; it was a body made of white elected officials who chose to favor a certain group of Americans and abandon another, and what we are seeing today is the result of 4 decades of policies aimed at dismantling a particular people.

This is what we've been talking about...how the welfare state has led to severe socioeconomic issues. The main culprits of this are politicians who seek to control ALL citizens, not just one part of the population. And in particular its been the Democratic Party all throughout history.

 

[JPS]

What race are most of these democratic politicians just out of curiousity?

 

[gry60]

 

 

This country needs to first fully acknowledge its history and how it treats people based solely on the color of their skin, then THEY need to fix what's wrong on their end. 

What do you mean here and what would you want to see happen?

Honestly, I'm not quite sure. But I can tell you the effort to fix things haven't been enough. Laws need to change. I'm not sure what the numbers are, but the government needs to make more of an effort to be more representative of the people demographically.

Demographics are rapidly changing, and I think we can see that in how disconnected our government and their priorities are from it's people.

The federal and state policies that outlined the relationship between the government and the various ethnic groups in these US of A should be mandatory teaching in history classes throughout K12. Too many people today are unaware of the ramifications of those decisions and how they affected and continue to affect minorities in general and poor Blacks in particular. If your grandpa was A WWII/Korean war white vet and got out of the army and bought a house and went to college, the assumption is usually that despite living separately from Whites, Black vets had the same benefits. That wasn't true until after the Civil Rights Act.

 

[harlemtothebronx]

 

 

 

 

This country needs to first fully acknowledge its history and how it treats people based solely on the color of their skin, then THEY need to fix what's wrong on their end. 

What do you mean here and what would you want to see happen?

Honestly, I'm not quite sure. But I can tell you the effort to fix things haven't been enough. Laws need to change. I'm not sure what the numbers are, but the government needs to make more of an effort to be more representative of the people demographically.

Demographics are rapidly changing, and I think we can see that in how disconnected our government and their priorities are from it's people.

The federal and state policies that outlined the relationship between the government and the various ethnic groups in these US of A should be mandatory teaching in history classes throughout K12. Too many people today are unaware of the ramifications of those decisions and how they affected and continue to affect minorities in general and poor Blacks in particular. If your grandpa was A WWII/Korean war white vet and got out of the army and bought a house and went to college, the assumption is usually that despite living separately from Whites, Black vets had the same benefits. That wasn't true until after the Civil Rights Act.

You're absolutely right. And the only way I learned a lot of the history of this country and it's ills was through electives in college.

When you look at how states decide their curriculum independent from the federal government you can understand why the south is the way it is. There is so much power in how our history is presented to our youth, and the people who decide for us don't have the same priorities or cares.

There's a ton that needs to be added to K-12. It's wild what they brush over. How they only tell you about King because he was peaceful. You're never told the real atrocities of this country unless you seek it out yourself.

Which loops back around to acknowledging and accepting the history of this country. We've been sweeping it under the rug forever, and with the way the world works today there are no rugs to sweep **** under anymore. Some people are just boldfaced lying in order to protect their personal privilege.

It's all in the game.

 

[RustyShackleford]

Most of the welfare n this country goes to the rich and corporations. I never hear those groups being told to pick themselves up by their boot straps.

And the welfare argument is inherently racist, because it was born out of the Southern Strategy. When income subsidies were viewed as for struggling white people, no one in the country had a problem with it, once black people got equal participation, it became the enemy. We can thank Ronald Reagan and his "welfare queen" nonsense for that.

So you destroy the local economies of black communities, then when people take money for them to eat and have a basic minimum standard of living, it is a problem. . And let us put common sense aside and forget most people on "welfare" are white, and let us not even look at the disability hustle that goes on in poor white communities in the South. I never hear white conservatives mentioning those things

 

[gry60]

Anyone today who maintains the narrative is willfully ignorant. The passive voice you are using in your reasoning betrays the fact that you don't want to acknowledge WHO allowed Black communities to deteriorate.

It was the federal government which, through openly discriminatory educational and financial polices, allowed AA communities to fall in a state of disrepair. It wasn't a humanless entity; it wasn't fate; it was a body made of white elected officials who chose to favor a certain group of Americans and abandon another, and what we are seeing today is the result of 4 decades of policies aimed at dismantling a particular people.

This is what we've been talking about...how the welfare state has led to severe socioeconomic issues. The main culprits of this are politicians who seek to control ALL citizens, not just one part of the population. And in particular its been the Democratic Party all throughout history.

Has it? What were the GI Bill and the low interest housing loans given to white Americans then? In Chicago, public housing was funded by the state and the local legislature when the Irish, Ukrainians, Italians, Greeks were the slum dwellers. All that ceased when Black people moved in from Tennessee and Missouri and Alabama in order to flee the Jim Crow south. All of a sudden, the CHA budget started getting cut in the name fiscal responsibility. It has nothing to do with dem/rep. It's a my-people/not-my-people thing: the Daley family (which counts three Chicago mayors) were Dems that lived in Bridgeport, which was a no go zone if you were a Black person in Chicago until recently.

 

[carlosdanger]

 

I never said anything about blaming black people or democrats. In fact, I think it's the opposite and it is the opposite considering the majority of leaders in the democratic party are white and have been responsible for these cities.

You can point to specific examples all day but if you take a step back and look at the fundamental beliefs of both parties it will show you. 

Democrats believe in more government and more government regulation (i.e. welfare). Just take a look at the past few years of how welfare consumption has gone up and employment has decreased. 

Republicans side with capitalism, which means free trade and a smaller government with less regulation.

What would you prefer? Democratic socialism or Capitalism?

A lot of this has to do with wealth and not race. If the government can keep people poor and dependent on them it is easier for them to control people. Based on the democratic beliefs of welfare and a big government, it offers less opportunity for people to increase their wealth and not rely on the government. Just take a look at most of the major cities in the USA and how our country is trending after the last few years based on job numbers, welfare, home ownership and etc. 

 

[RustyShackleford]

 

I never said anything about blaming black people or democrats. In fact, I think it's the opposite and it is the opposite considering the majority of leaders in the democratic party are white and have been responsible for these cities.

You can point to specific examples all day but if you take a step back and look at the fundamental beliefs of both parties it will show you. 

Democrats believe in more government and more government regulation (i.e. welfare). Just take a look at the past few years of how welfare consumption has gone up and employment has decreased. 

Republicans side with capitalism, which means free trade and a smaller government with less regulation.

What would you prefer? Democratic socialism or Capitalism?

A lot of this has to do with wealth and not race. If the government can keep people poor and dependent on them it is easier for them to control people. Based on the democratic beliefs of welfare and a big government, it offers less opportunity for people to increase their wealth and not rely on the government. Just take a look at most of the major cities in the USA and how our country is trending after the last few years based on job numbers, welfare, home ownership and etc. 

You seem to not know what capitalism and socialism are. For you there are buzzwords in your silly argument.

Most Americans, including the Democratic Party and liberals (of all colors), believe in capitalism. There are different theories on how a capitalism country should run. Most economist agree that some government intervention in markets are need for more efficient and equitable outcomes. Especially for minorities (See the Civil Rights Acts). The debate is by how much.

And America got a whole lot of socialism in it. Public roads, public schools, regulated utilities, police, firemen, National guards, and Navy to protect shipping lanes. Without all those public goods and services, our capitalist system would fall apart damb quickly.

And you seem to not know economic data very well because the great recession had a high impact on your economy. And it wasn't black people, or socially democratic policies that caused it, It was good ole fashion deregulation that set the stage for it.

But when the recession hit, it was rich whites getting bailouts first to the tune of hundreds of billions. But let Obama try to extend unemployment benefits or more funding for "welfare" programs to help the poor, and people like you cried bloody murder.

Conservatives only like socially democratic policies that help support white wealth, not ones that help build black communities.

If you don't like welfare programs, when suggest a better alternative, don't just pedal this "boot straps" nonsense and think the free market will take care of black people (it never has)

 

[whywesteppin]

 
I never called you a troll. And I never said you didn't have a right to voice your opinion. I also have the right to post a differing opinion.

I don't think you're consciously doing it, I just think it's a comfortable way for you to shift focus. That's how it comes off at least. If I'm wrong I apoligize.

But show me where I generalized all whites? You kinda just dove into this thread head first, and you expect us to be cool when you come off as offensive and ignorant.

You wont even acknowledge that there are socioeconomic issues that attribute to black on black crime. That reads to me as a blatant distraction from what we're trying to actually discuss.

I just explained it below.

I totally agree. I think one of the most important issues in this country is the way African American communities have been allowed to deteriorate in terms of the infrastructure, social values and lack of opportunity. If you take a look at it though, most of the major cities where this is a huge issue is cities run by democrats. I think welfare is a huge issue because in some ways it has caused the family structure to deteriorate. Hopefully there can be some reconstruction and rebuilding to provide opportunities rather than government support. Because opportunities provide hope and way for people to better themselves rather than being stationary.

-What about all the struggling black people that live in Southern conservative states? More than half the population of black people live in the South, not Northeastern urban cities. You do know that right?

-What about all the white flight that happened that created suburbs and destroyed the economies of inner cities by removing the tax base?

-What about red lining that prevented black people to follow white out to the suburbs?

-What about the rampant housing discrimination that still took place after the 1968 Civil Rights Acts?

-What about the rampant gerrymandering in red states to rob black people of equal representation at the state and federal level?

-What about voter IDs laws which are being used to disenfranchised minority and black voters?

-What about all the poor blacks in the South that have been denied free Medical care because conservatives won't expand Medicaid to get back at the black president. Kinda funny that poor black and poor white communities have benefited greatly from that law and the Medicaid expansion, yet conservatives want to rip that away from poor people. Why?

-What about the white conservatives, especially those in the South, won't approve the numerous jobs bills (that would be through infrastructure spending) that have been suggested to help poor communities?

-What about the conservative whites at the state level that continuously try to sabotage majors on the city level?

What about all those things?

But yeah, lets just blame some black/democratic mayors, and black people themselves, for all the struggles of black community.

Reading this I couldn't help but imagine MJ singing it.