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SPOILERS: 6 Biggest Reveals From The BATMAN SUPERMAN Ultimate Cut You Need To Know


6. How Lex Luthor Framed Superman

Something which didn't really make any sense in Batman v Superman is why the government would believe the Man of Steel is responsible for slaughtering dozens of armed terrorists who were quite clearly gunned down by Lex Luthor's men. After all, Superman isn't exactly well known for shooting people, but the Ultimate Cut elaborates on this in two ways.

For starters, Anatoli Knyazev/KGBeast actually burns the bodies to make it look like the hero wiped the men out with his heat vision. Secondly, the villager who testified about his actions to that senate committee is revealed to be an actress hired by Luthor, and she's later murdered by his men after having a change of heart and telling Senator Finch the truth. This version of the movie makes it clear that Lex has orchestrated everything we're seeing, whereas the theatrical cut of Batman v Superman arguably played out more like a series of coincidences in the villain's favour.



5. Jena Malone Is Playing...

A nobody. That's right, after speculation and rumours pointing to the actress being everyone from Barbara Gordon to Cat Grant, she ends up being a S.T.A.R. Labs forensic scientist who helps Lois Lane figure out the mysteries behind that bullet she recovered from the desert. While the actress plays an important role in filling the journalist in on what Lex has been up to, there aren't any hints in regards to her being a major character from the comic books, so it turns out the actress was just cut because this subplot was dropped.

Talking of familiar faces from the source material, you'd best think again if you believe the Jimmy Olsen backlash changed Zack Snyder's mind about including him here and putting a bullet through his head. You see, this Ultimate Cut makes it clear that the photographer later outed as a CIA agent really is Jimmy, though the exchange he has with Lois is surprisingly fun and actually adds some of what many said was much needed humour to Batman v Superman.



4. The Truth Behind The Senate Hearing

It turns out that suspected suicide bomber Wallace Keefe's wheelchair is made of the same substance as those bullets, and while Batman v Superman's theatrical cut made us think he willingly blew himself up, it turns out that Lex framed him and planted the bomb in there without his knowledge (the casing around that was lined with lead too, explaining why the Man of Steel never spotted it).

Lois figures out Wallace didn't intend to kill himself when she sees groceries in his apartment which he clearly intended to use later that same day. However, bomb making materials have been planted there along with anti-Superman graffiti which help ensure both the public and authorities are left sure of his guilt. Going back to Lex setting up Superman for those murders, and the senate hearing makes a lot more sense because it turns out that Finch is actually going to expose the villain's actions before she spots that "tea" and realises that Luthor has actually outsmarted her.



3. Lex Luthor Is Heading To Arkham Aylum

There have been a lot of rumours about the Batman v Superman Ultimate Cut further setting up the events of Justice League, whether it's with a montage featuring the heroes in action or confirmation of who Lex Luthor was speaking to in that deleted scene randomly released online. Alas, this Ultimate Cut only includes that baffling Steppenwolf (?) scene and nothing more, but it does at least lay the groundwork for Jesse Eisenberg's long rumoured Suicide Squad cameo!

In an extended version of their confrontation at the end of the movie, Lex makes it clear that he knows Batman and Bruce Wayne are one and the same, and taunts the Dark Knight because he's too insane to ever stand trial for his actions. However, he doesn't have the last laugh as it turns out that Batman has made the necessary arrangements to have Lex moved to Arkham Asylum, something which quickly wipes the smirk off the villain's face. So, will he meet The Joker in Suicide Squad? It now feels like a very real possibility...



2. Superman Gets To Be Superman

One of the biggest criticisms levelled at Zack Snyder is that his take on Superman was simply too dark and not close enough to the comic book version of the Man of Steel. Well, the Ultimate Cut improves on that in a number of ways. For starters, quite a lot of time is devoted to Clark Kent's investigation into The Batman, something which shows he's actually become a capable journalist in the time which has passed since we last saw him.

However, Snyder also puts a greater focus on his heroic actions, and that can be seen after the Senate explosion. Rather than just standing amid all that destruction looking a bit sad, Superman actually flies victims out of the wreckage and is making an effort to save people. Talking of Man of Steel, an extended version of Clark's funeral at the end of the movie brings back Pete Ross and Lana Lang from that movie, while The Daily Planet staff can also be seen in attendance. It's also mentioned that Bruce paid for the service!



1. Final Thoughts

This version of Batman v Superman just works a million times better than the theatrical cut. Yes, the fight scenes are extended, but the flow of the movie in general is considerably better, and everyone's actions just make much more sense. In terms of rumours which can be debunked, there's no sign of The Joker and Dan Amboyer is just a random drone pilot and most definitely not Hal Jordan.

Batman already had the bulk of screentime in the movie, but he and Alfred get quite a few more scenes, while many of you will no doubt be pleased to learn that there's a very revealing shot of Bruce Wayne taking a shower (thought perhaps not as revealing as the one in Gone Girl).

Ultimately, the Ultimate Cut is vastly superior and without a doubt the version of Batman v Superman which should have hit theaters.
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My only qualms were the flow and Lex. I still enjoyed it a lot. I would like to see the movie with the missing scenes that connect the story. I wouldn't be upset if they removed some scenes too. Like the Jolly Rancher one. :lol:
 
I understand what they were trying to convey with the Jolly Rancher scene, but it was weird.

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Slighted said:
^ I wonder why they cut out so much relevant material from the actual release?

:rolleyes
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Cuz they are not smart and not good at filmmaking.

BruceWayne said:
Just when I thought u couldn't top a masterpiece
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Opinions like this are the weirdest. Movie was **** yet you think it's a masterpiece :lol:

Meanwhile, that list alone makes it sound like Snyder, the editor, and whoever else at WB tried their hardest to make what sounds like what could've been a good movie the most poorly paced and unnecessarily bland version it possibly could.

BruceWayne said:
we will never see a Mercy vs Harley in this universe :smh:
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Snyder's murderverse baby :pimp: Thought the movie was a masterpiece? :lol:
 
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Movie was trash. Another cut wont change it but it was better than Apocalypse. There's still promise in this universe.
 
RFX45 said:
SPOILERS: 6 Biggest Reveals From The BATMAN SUPERMAN Ultimate Cut You Need To Know


6. How Lex Luthor Framed Superman

Something which didn't really make any sense in Batman v Superman is why the government would believe the Man of Steel is responsible for slaughtering dozens of armed terrorists who were quite clearly gunned down by Lex Luthor's men. After all, Superman isn't exactly well known for shooting people, but the Ultimate Cut elaborates on this in two ways.

For starters, Anatoli Knyazev/KGBeast actually burns the bodies to make it look like the hero wiped the men out with his heat vision. Secondly, the villager who testified about his actions to that senate committee is revealed to be an actress hired by Luthor, and she's later murdered by his men after having a change of heart and telling Senator Finch the truth. This version of the movie makes it clear that Lex has orchestrated everything we're seeing, whereas the theatrical cut of Batman v Superman arguably played out more like a series of coincidences in the villain's favour.



5. Jena Malone Is Playing...

A nobody. That's right, after speculation and rumours pointing to the actress being everyone from Barbara Gordon to Cat Grant, she ends up being a S.T.A.R. Labs forensic scientist who helps Lois Lane figure out the mysteries behind that bullet she recovered from the desert. While the actress plays an important role in filling the journalist in on what Lex has been up to, there aren't any hints in regards to her being a major character from the comic books, so it turns out the actress was just cut because this subplot was dropped.

Talking of familiar faces from the source material, you'd best think again if you believe the Jimmy Olsen backlash changed Zack Snyder's mind about including him here and putting a bullet through his head. You see, this Ultimate Cut makes it clear that the photographer later outed as a CIA agent really is Jimmy, though the exchange he has with Lois is surprisingly fun and actually adds some of what many said was much needed humour to Batman v Superman.



4. The Truth Behind The Senate Hearing

It turns out that suspected suicide bomber Wallace Keefe's wheelchair is made of the same substance as those bullets, and while Batman v Superman's theatrical cut made us think he willingly blew himself up, it turns out that Lex framed him and planted the bomb in there without his knowledge (the casing around that was lined with lead too, explaining why the Man of Steel never spotted it).

Lois figures out Wallace didn't intend to kill himself when she sees groceries in his apartment which he clearly intended to use later that same day. However, bomb making materials have been planted there along with anti-Superman graffiti which help ensure both the public and authorities are left sure of his guilt. Going back to Lex setting up Superman for those murders, and the senate hearing makes a lot more sense because it turns out that Finch is actually going to expose the villain's actions before she spots that "tea" and realises that Luthor has actually outsmarted her.



3. Lex Luthor Is Heading To Arkham Aylum

There have been a lot of rumours about the Batman v Superman Ultimate Cut further setting up the events of Justice League, whether it's with a montage featuring the heroes in action or confirmation of who Lex Luthor was speaking to in that deleted scene randomly released online. Alas, this Ultimate Cut only includes that baffling Steppenwolf (?) scene and nothing more, but it does at least lay the groundwork for Jesse Eisenberg's long rumoured Suicide Squad cameo!

In an extended version of their confrontation at the end of the movie, Lex makes it clear that he knows Batman and Bruce Wayne are one and the same, and taunts the Dark Knight because he's too insane to ever stand trial for his actions. However, he doesn't have the last laugh as it turns out that Batman has made the necessary arrangements to have Lex moved to Arkham Asylum, something which quickly wipes the smirk off the villain's face. So, will he meet The Joker in Suicide Squad? It now feels like a very real possibility...



2. Superman Gets To Be Superman

One of the biggest criticisms levelled at Zack Snyder is that his take on Superman was simply too dark and not close enough to the comic book version of the Man of Steel. Well, the Ultimate Cut improves on that in a number of ways. For starters, quite a lot of time is devoted to Clark Kent's investigation into The Batman, something which shows he's actually become a capable journalist in the time which has passed since we last saw him.

However, Snyder also puts a greater focus on his heroic actions, and that can be seen after the Senate explosion. Rather than just standing amid all that destruction looking a bit sad, Superman actually flies victims out of the wreckage and is making an effort to save people. Talking of Man of Steel, an extended version of Clark's funeral at the end of the movie brings back Pete Ross and Lana Lang from that movie, while The Daily Planet staff can also be seen in attendance. It's also mentioned that Bruce paid for the service!



1. Final Thoughts

This version of Batman v Superman just works a million times better than the theatrical cut. Yes, the fight scenes are extended, but the flow of the movie in general is considerably better, and everyone's actions just make much more sense. In terms of rumours which can be debunked, there's no sign of The Joker and Dan Amboyer is just a random drone pilot and most definitely not Hal Jordan.

Batman already had the bulk of screentime in the movie, but he and Alfred get quite a few more scenes, while many of you will no doubt be pleased to learn that there's a very revealing shot of Bruce Wayne taking a shower (thought perhaps not as revealing as the one in Gone Girl).

Ultimately, the Ultimate Cut is vastly superior and without a doubt the version of Batman v Superman which should have hit theaters.
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6. See that should've been in the film, though i'll be honest (And really this might just add to why it should've been in the film) I wasn't even 100% on whether or not that person was there to frame Superman specifically for killing those guys, or just to report on the terror of the incident itself and that it involved Superman. But if she was straight up framing him it makes no sense not to show the bodies being burned. It's as simple as just showing him flying off and some guy walking over to the bodies with a torch/flame thrower. I mean come on now, care about the product you're presenting to people :smh:
 
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tay1 said:
Movie was trash. Another cut wont change it but it was better than Apocalypse. There's still promise in this universe.
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thats not saying much though for a movie that was supposed to be the biggest cbm of all time.
 
franc said:
show me where i lied
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saying bvs is better than apocalypse is not saying much based on how apocalypse turned out.
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come on man.

its your opinion.

I can say you lied all I want, that does not change your op.

I think the movie was great, the ultimate version, even better.

but using words like "garbage, worst movie, ETC"  it's your op and subjective at that.

again, the hate, the great disdain, some of you hold against zack synder and the movie itself is borderline unhealthy....

reminds me of going to the civil war premiere and seeing a guy in a superman shirt getting booed.

you would have thought he was wearing a swastika and not an "S" on his chest
 
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