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[alsquared]

Kobe is better. Look a the guys Kobe is playing against and look at who magic was playing against. I'm not even talking about talent. Everyone in the league now is way bigger and faster than players in 70s and 80's. Kobe's skill set is also way more versatile than magic. He can basically do everything Jordan was able to do. He also adjusted his game as he aged just like mj did. Kobe's midrange/post game is undefendable with the spin moves, fadesaways and pivots. The only thing like that magic ever did was a sky hook.

 

[westcoastsfinest]

pffft c'mon chuck. this is coming from a guy that said kobes days of scoring 30+ are over then kobe averages 30+ against the utah series

and for all you guys saying kobe>magic cause magic johnson said it himself. uuuuhhhh do you really think magic is gonna say im the best Laker? no. what would that make magic look? like an arrogant jerk right?

the fact is id put magic over kobe regardless how many kobe ends up with because magic brought the Lakers back and he could score and dish it at the same time. IMO a 6'9 guard
who can play every position thats something special. plus a rookie winning the finals MVP?

 whos ever done that? yeah everyone can score but not everyone can get the rebound and run then set up his man up for a basket. dude could play every position.

overall magic wins.

dont get me wrong i do think kobe is top 5

 

[westcoastsfinest]

pffft c'mon chuck. this is coming from a guy that said kobes days of scoring 30+ are over then kobe averages 30+ against the utah series

and for all you guys saying kobe>magic cause magic johnson said it himself. uuuuhhhh do you really think magic is gonna say im the best Laker? no. what would that make magic look? like an arrogant jerk right?

the fact is id put magic over kobe regardless how many kobe ends up with because magic brought the Lakers back and he could score and dish it at the same time. IMO a 6'9 guard
who can play every position thats something special. plus a rookie winning the finals MVP?

 whos ever done that? yeah everyone can score but not everyone can get the rebound and run then set up his man up for a basket. dude could play every position.

overall magic wins.

dont get me wrong i do think kobe is top 5

 

[jmause3]

Originally Posted by alsquared

Kobe is better. Look a the guys Kobe is playing against and look at who magic was playing against. I'm not even talking about talent. Everyone in the league now is way bigger and faster than players in 70s and 80's. Kobe's skill set is also way more versatile than magic. He can basically do everything Jordan was able to do. He also adjusted his game as he aged just like mj did. Kobe's midrange/post game is undefendable with the spin moves, fadesaways and pivots. The only thing like that magic ever did was a sky hook.

   and while im at it   

 

[jmause3]

Originally Posted by alsquared

Kobe is better. Look a the guys Kobe is playing against and look at who magic was playing against. I'm not even talking about talent. Everyone in the league now is way bigger and faster than players in 70s and 80's. Kobe's skill set is also way more versatile than magic. He can basically do everything Jordan was able to do. He also adjusted his game as he aged just like mj did. Kobe's midrange/post game is undefendable with the spin moves, fadesaways and pivots. The only thing like that magic ever did was a sky hook.

   and while im at it   

 

[JD617]

Kobe's skill set is also way more versatile than magic.
You're aware that Magic started an NBA Finals game at center, right?

 

[JD617]

Kobe's skill set is also way more versatile than magic.
You're aware that Magic started an NBA Finals game at center, right?

 

[westcoastsfinest]

Originally Posted by JD617

Kobe's skill set is also way more versatile than magic.

You're aware that Magic started an NBA Finals game at center, right?

as a rookie too!

  

alsquared wrote:

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Kobe is better. Look a the guys Kobe is playing against and look at who magic was playing against. I'm not even talking about talent. Everyone in the league now is way bigger and faster than players in 70s and 80's. Kobe's skill set is also way more versatile than magic. He can basically do everything Jordan was able to do. He also adjusted his game as he aged just like mj did. Kobe's midrange/post game is undefendable with the spin moves, fadesaways and pivots. The only thing like that magic ever did was a sky hook.
 

 

[westcoastsfinest]

Originally Posted by JD617

Kobe's skill set is also way more versatile than magic.

You're aware that Magic started an NBA Finals game at center, right?

as a rookie too!

  

alsquared wrote:

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Kobe is better. Look a the guys Kobe is playing against and look at who magic was playing against. I'm not even talking about talent. Everyone in the league now is way bigger and faster than players in 70s and 80's. Kobe's skill set is also way more versatile than magic. He can basically do everything Jordan was able to do. He also adjusted his game as he aged just like mj did. Kobe's midrange/post game is undefendable with the spin moves, fadesaways and pivots. The only thing like that magic ever did was a sky hook.
 

 

[kali4nikated]

Originally Posted by Deuce King

I think alot of people in here are either too young or simply don't know their NBA history.  Magic put the Lakers on the map, no doubt about it, all Kobe did was help carry on the tradition.  Also, without Magic, Larry Bird one of the the top 5 players of all-time ends his career with 7 or 8 championships rings, instead he ended his career with just 3.  There's a reason for that, and his name is Magic.  I think dudes really don't know the history of the Lakers and Celtics and what Magic and Bird did for the NBA. 
   

this debate unofficially ended a few posts back but here i go, anyway. in regards to what xsalvioutlawx explained above: it's kind of illogical to argue that magic is greater than kobe when magic, himself, explained what kobe needed to do to become the greatest laker, and the fact that kobe actually did it makes no sense on arguing otherwise. speaking of the lack of logic, kobe has only two rings??? what kind of eyes are you working with? SMH. magic, with help of larry, revitalized the basketball world in a way no other player has ever done or will do. that is very important to his legacy and to all basketball fans, but an actual player comparison just doesn't literally take that fact into account.

 

[kali4nikated]

Originally Posted by Deuce King

I think alot of people in here are either too young or simply don't know their NBA history.  Magic put the Lakers on the map, no doubt about it, all Kobe did was help carry on the tradition.  Also, without Magic, Larry Bird one of the the top 5 players of all-time ends his career with 7 or 8 championships rings, instead he ended his career with just 3.  There's a reason for that, and his name is Magic.  I think dudes really don't know the history of the Lakers and Celtics and what Magic and Bird did for the NBA. 
   

this debate unofficially ended a few posts back but here i go, anyway. in regards to what xsalvioutlawx explained above: it's kind of illogical to argue that magic is greater than kobe when magic, himself, explained what kobe needed to do to become the greatest laker, and the fact that kobe actually did it makes no sense on arguing otherwise. speaking of the lack of logic, kobe has only two rings??? what kind of eyes are you working with? SMH. magic, with help of larry, revitalized the basketball world in a way no other player has ever done or will do. that is very important to his legacy and to all basketball fans, but an actual player comparison just doesn't literally take that fact into account.

 

[scuse7]

Kobe is better then Magic and Bird.

I don't think you say he's had a better career then Kareem but you can't say it's worse.

 

[scuse7]

Kobe is better then Magic and Bird.

I don't think you say he's had a better career then Kareem but you can't say it's worse.

 

[kali4nikated]

Originally Posted by westcoastsfinest

pffft c'mon chuck. this is coming from a guy that said kobes days of scoring 30+ are over then kobe averages 30+ against the utah series

and for all you guys saying kobe>magic cause magic johnson said it himself. uuuuhhhh do you really think magic is gonna say im the best Laker? no. what would that make magic look? like an arrogant jerk right?

the fact is id put magic over kobe regardless how many kobe ends up with because magic brought the Lakers back and he could score and dish it at the same time. IMO a 6'9 guard
who can play every position thats something special. plus a rookie winning the finals MVP?

 whos ever done that? yeah everyone can score but not everyone can get the rebound and run then set up his man up for a basket. dude could play every position.

overall magic wins.

dont get me wrong i do think kobe is top 5

he never said it directly, but indirectly it was clear as glass. after kobe won in 2009 he said he would need to win won more time to be the greatest laker. obviously, until that time came he himself stood atop of kobe and all other lakers.

 

[kali4nikated]

Originally Posted by westcoastsfinest

pffft c'mon chuck. this is coming from a guy that said kobes days of scoring 30+ are over then kobe averages 30+ against the utah series

and for all you guys saying kobe>magic cause magic johnson said it himself. uuuuhhhh do you really think magic is gonna say im the best Laker? no. what would that make magic look? like an arrogant jerk right?

the fact is id put magic over kobe regardless how many kobe ends up with because magic brought the Lakers back and he could score and dish it at the same time. IMO a 6'9 guard
who can play every position thats something special. plus a rookie winning the finals MVP?

 whos ever done that? yeah everyone can score but not everyone can get the rebound and run then set up his man up for a basket. dude could play every position.

overall magic wins.

dont get me wrong i do think kobe is top 5

he never said it directly, but indirectly it was clear as glass. after kobe won in 2009 he said he would need to win won more time to be the greatest laker. obviously, until that time came he himself stood atop of kobe and all other lakers.

 

[westcoastsfinest]

Deuce King wrote:

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I think alot of people in here are either too young or simply don't know their NBA history.  Magic put the Lakers on the map, no doubt about it, all Kobe did was help carry on the tradition.  Also, without Magic, Larry Bird one of the the top 5 players of all-time ends his career with 7 or 8 championships rings, instead he ended his career with just 3.  There's a reason for that, and his name is Magic.  I think dudes really don't know the history of the Lakers and Celtics and what Magic and Bird did for the NBA. 

  
yes magic is the GLOAT but with this logic you can say magic and bird are the greatest players of all time because they put the NBA on the map. which also means jordan carried that tradition. c'mon now deuce all kobe did was help carry the tradition? he did more than that, i mean thats a tough act to follow after showtime. you always seem to downplay everything kobe does.

 

[westcoastsfinest]

Deuce King wrote:

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I think alot of people in here are either too young or simply don't know their NBA history.  Magic put the Lakers on the map, no doubt about it, all Kobe did was help carry on the tradition.  Also, without Magic, Larry Bird one of the the top 5 players of all-time ends his career with 7 or 8 championships rings, instead he ended his career with just 3.  There's a reason for that, and his name is Magic.  I think dudes really don't know the history of the Lakers and Celtics and what Magic and Bird did for the NBA. 

  
yes magic is the GLOAT but with this logic you can say magic and bird are the greatest players of all time because they put the NBA on the map. which also means jordan carried that tradition. c'mon now deuce all kobe did was help carry the tradition? he did more than that, i mean thats a tough act to follow after showtime. you always seem to downplay everything kobe does.

 

[bijald0331]

Originally Posted by Deuce King

I think alot of people in here are either too young or simply don't know their NBA history.  Magic put the Lakers on the map, no doubt about it, all Kobe did was help carry on the tradition.  Also, without Magic, Larry Bird one of the the top 5 players of all-time ends his career with 7 or 8 championships rings, instead he ended his career with just 3.  There's a reason for that, and his name is Magic.  I think dudes really don't know the history of the Lakers and Celtics and what Magic and Bird did for the NBA. 
   

Where do you get this stuff? Ever heard of Elgin Baylor, Jerry West, Wilt Chamberlain, hell George Mikan...? 

  Of course Magic and Larry took it to another level but for you to insinuate that the Lakers were not "on the map" before Earvin's arrival, well then I don't know who needs a history lesson more. 
Magic and Kobe are incredibly close. I don't see a clear winner in that battle.  Magic is the greatest PG in NBA history, bar none. If I had to pick, I would say Magic. If he didn't retire in 1991, his career statistics would be eye-popping. Kobe's career statistics will be. 

Like it's crazy to look at Magic's playoff stats. He avg 19.5, 12 and 8 in the playoffs... 

 

[bijald0331]

Originally Posted by Deuce King

I think alot of people in here are either too young or simply don't know their NBA history.  Magic put the Lakers on the map, no doubt about it, all Kobe did was help carry on the tradition.  Also, without Magic, Larry Bird one of the the top 5 players of all-time ends his career with 7 or 8 championships rings, instead he ended his career with just 3.  There's a reason for that, and his name is Magic.  I think dudes really don't know the history of the Lakers and Celtics and what Magic and Bird did for the NBA. 
   

Where do you get this stuff? Ever heard of Elgin Baylor, Jerry West, Wilt Chamberlain, hell George Mikan...? 

  Of course Magic and Larry took it to another level but for you to insinuate that the Lakers were not "on the map" before Earvin's arrival, well then I don't know who needs a history lesson more. 
Magic and Kobe are incredibly close. I don't see a clear winner in that battle.  Magic is the greatest PG in NBA history, bar none. If I had to pick, I would say Magic. If he didn't retire in 1991, his career statistics would be eye-popping. Kobe's career statistics will be. 

Like it's crazy to look at Magic's playoff stats. He avg 19.5, 12 and 8 in the playoffs... 

 

[never seen b4]

Originally Posted by Deuce King

I think alot of people in here are either too young or simply don't know their NBA history.  Magic put the Lakers on the map, no doubt about it, all Kobe did was help carry on the tradition.  Also, without Magic, Larry Bird one of the the top 5 players of all-time ends his career with 7 or 8 championships rings, instead he ended his career with just 3.  There's a reason for that, and his name is Magic.  I think dudes really don't know the history of the Lakers and Celtics and what Magic and Bird did for the NBA. 
   

Co-signs

Discussing sports on a board filled with kids gets you the idiotic responses we have in here. I'd be willing to bet the house that people in here riding for Kobe never watched Magic play a game. If you weren't old enough to watch Magic play, why are you people sharing an opinion that holds no weight? Magic is a stand up guy and for him to say anything that puts Kobe on a pedestal is expected. The bottom line is if you aren't old enough to participate in this conversation, sit the hell down.

 

[never seen b4]

Originally Posted by Deuce King

I think alot of people in here are either too young or simply don't know their NBA history.  Magic put the Lakers on the map, no doubt about it, all Kobe did was help carry on the tradition.  Also, without Magic, Larry Bird one of the the top 5 players of all-time ends his career with 7 or 8 championships rings, instead he ended his career with just 3.  There's a reason for that, and his name is Magic.  I think dudes really don't know the history of the Lakers and Celtics and what Magic and Bird did for the NBA. 
   

Co-signs

Discussing sports on a board filled with kids gets you the idiotic responses we have in here. I'd be willing to bet the house that people in here riding for Kobe never watched Magic play a game. If you weren't old enough to watch Magic play, why are you people sharing an opinion that holds no weight? Magic is a stand up guy and for him to say anything that puts Kobe on a pedestal is expected. The bottom line is if you aren't old enough to participate in this conversation, sit the hell down.

 

[westcoastsfinest]

Originally Posted by kali4nikated

Originally Posted by westcoastsfinest

pffft c'mon chuck. this is coming from a guy that said kobes days of scoring 30+ are over then kobe averages 30+ against the utah series

and for all you guys saying kobe>magic cause magic johnson said it himself. uuuuhhhh do you really think magic is gonna say im the best Laker? no. what would that make magic look? like an arrogant jerk right?

the fact is id put magic over kobe regardless how many kobe ends up with because magic brought the Lakers back and he could score and dish it at the same time. IMO a 6'9 guard
who can play every position thats something special. plus a rookie winning the finals MVP?

 whos ever done that? yeah everyone can score but not everyone can get the rebound and run then set up his man up for a basket. dude could play every position.

overall magic wins.

dont get me wrong i do think kobe is top 5

he never said it directly, but indirectly it was clear as glass. after kobe won in 2009 he said he would need to win won more time to be the greatest laker. obviously, until that time came he himself stood atop of kobe and all other lakers.

regardless if its directly and indirectly he is still not gonna come out and say i'm the greatest Laker.   

 

[westcoastsfinest]

Originally Posted by kali4nikated

Originally Posted by westcoastsfinest

pffft c'mon chuck. this is coming from a guy that said kobes days of scoring 30+ are over then kobe averages 30+ against the utah series

and for all you guys saying kobe>magic cause magic johnson said it himself. uuuuhhhh do you really think magic is gonna say im the best Laker? no. what would that make magic look? like an arrogant jerk right?

the fact is id put magic over kobe regardless how many kobe ends up with because magic brought the Lakers back and he could score and dish it at the same time. IMO a 6'9 guard
who can play every position thats something special. plus a rookie winning the finals MVP?

 whos ever done that? yeah everyone can score but not everyone can get the rebound and run then set up his man up for a basket. dude could play every position.

overall magic wins.

dont get me wrong i do think kobe is top 5

he never said it directly, but indirectly it was clear as glass. after kobe won in 2009 he said he would need to win won more time to be the greatest laker. obviously, until that time came he himself stood atop of kobe and all other lakers.

regardless if its directly and indirectly he is still not gonna come out and say i'm the greatest Laker.   

 

[fatal lightning]

Originally Posted by bijald0331

Originally Posted by Deuce King

I think alot of people in here are either too young or simply don't know their NBA history.  Magic put the Lakers on the map, no doubt about it, all Kobe did was help carry on the tradition.  Also, without Magic, Larry Bird one of the the top 5 players of all-time ends his career with 7 or 8 championships rings, instead he ended his career with just 3.  There's a reason for that, and his name is Magic.  I think dudes really don't know the history of the Lakers and Celtics and what Magic and Bird did for the NBA. 
   

Where do you get this stuff? Ever heard of Elgin Baylor, Jerry West, Wilt Chamberlain, hell George Mikan...? 

  Of course Magic and Larry took it to another level but for you to insinuate that the Lakers were not "on the map" before Earvin's arrival, well then I don't know who needs a history lesson more. 
Magic and Kobe are incredibly close. I don't see a clear winner in that battle.  Magic is the greatest PG in NBA history, bar none. If I had to pick, I would say Magic. If he didn't retire in 1991, his career statistics would be eye-popping. Kobe's career statistics will be. 

Like it's crazy to look at Magic's playoff stats. He avg 19.5, 12 and 8 in the playoffs... 

i wouldnt say greatest pg in nba history, that belongs to john stockton

 

[fatal lightning]

Originally Posted by bijald0331

Originally Posted by Deuce King

I think alot of people in here are either too young or simply don't know their NBA history.  Magic put the Lakers on the map, no doubt about it, all Kobe did was help carry on the tradition.  Also, without Magic, Larry Bird one of the the top 5 players of all-time ends his career with 7 or 8 championships rings, instead he ended his career with just 3.  There's a reason for that, and his name is Magic.  I think dudes really don't know the history of the Lakers and Celtics and what Magic and Bird did for the NBA. 
   

Where do you get this stuff? Ever heard of Elgin Baylor, Jerry West, Wilt Chamberlain, hell George Mikan...? 

  Of course Magic and Larry took it to another level but for you to insinuate that the Lakers were not "on the map" before Earvin's arrival, well then I don't know who needs a history lesson more. 
Magic and Kobe are incredibly close. I don't see a clear winner in that battle.  Magic is the greatest PG in NBA history, bar none. If I had to pick, I would say Magic. If he didn't retire in 1991, his career statistics would be eye-popping. Kobe's career statistics will be. 

Like it's crazy to look at Magic's playoff stats. He avg 19.5, 12 and 8 in the playoffs... 

i wouldnt say greatest pg in nba history, that belongs to john stockton